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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:34 PM
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McCain Backs Iraq War Despite WMD Findings
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 11:38 PM by Rose Siding
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- Sen. John McCain said Tuesday the conclusions of a commission investigating intelligence failures on weapons of mass destruction should not lead to new questions about whether the Iraq war was justified.

"America, the world and Iraq is better off for what we did in bringing democracy," McCain said.

The Arizona Republican is a member of a commission formed by President Bush over a year ago after the chief weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay, resigned saying "we were almost all wrong" about the pre-war estimates that Saddam Hussein possessed banned weapons.
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In a recent interview, McCain said the report by the panel led by Republican Laurence Silberman and Democrat Chuck Robb was worth the $10 million Congress dedicated to it.

"I think questions had to be answered as to why we were so wrong," McCain said. "We needed to have recommendations as to how to prevent something like this from ever happening again."

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-mccain-intelligence,0,4742074.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:37 PM
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1. he's doing this and attacking AARP. He's completely without
honor. Complete ass. I wish Cindy would divorce him.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:37 PM
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2. Window dressing for the war with the Iran
That way when we are told next year that we just have to go to war with Iran, we will be assured that this time the intelligence agencies really, really, really are sure this time that Iran has weapons of mass destruction.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:47 PM
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5. We won't need new intelligence estimates to demonstrate . . .
That Iran has weapons of mass destruction. Their army has not been starved by years of sanctions (as was Saddam's), and is a reasonably robust force. No question they could invade nearby countries and visit death upon the masses if they so chose.

Does Schimpanski need any more? Why the mad mullahs could invade . . . IRAQ! And ruin our experiment in democracy-crammed-down-their-throats.

The nuclear (excuse me, nukular) issue is only the fear factor in the equation. This window doesn't need to be dressed by opportunistic sociopaths like McCain -- they've had the bunting and the mannequins in place for months. Better start arming those cruise missles, kiddies.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:52 PM
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25. According to my senator, on VPR last night, we are going to war w/Iran.
Jeffords, when asked "looking at it now, was Bush right to go to war with Iraq" said absolutely not -- he would still vote against the war, and the only reason they went to war was for oil, so look for two things: 1) a major exclusive oil deal with the "new" Iraqi government and 2) war with Iran.

I thought this was very telling, since most go "yadda, yadda, yadda" but don't go direct, even though all the senators are in the loop.


Transcript of his hour of q/a's w/Vermonters would be found at vpr.org
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:40 PM
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3. Over 100,000 dead Iraqis, 15,000 injured GI's, and 1,600 families ....
... of dead GI's would disagree ... as do I!!!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:49 PM
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7. That must be what is meant by "catastrophic success"
Something that "America, the world and Iraq is better off for" doing, while at the same time learning "how to prevent something like this from ever happening again".

I wonder if ol' fickle-ass has pondered these figures at all...

Suddenly, the count of prisoners dead in captivity is up to 108. Boy, that happened fast, didn't it? When I did my seven year hitch in the Navy, the gold standard for horrible, communist, totalitarian, non-Geneva convention deadly bastards who you never wanted to get captured by was the North Vietnamese.

They were happy if you died in your cell. They tortured. They hated. They abused just for perverse commie, Stalinist fun. They were the worst. Worse than Nazis, even, because the Nazis at least sometimes pretended to be civilized about POW treatment. The North Vietnamese didn't even pretend.

So how many American POWS died while captured by the insane and lawless North Vietnamese during the entire Vietnam war? One hundred and fourteen. From all causes. What killed the 108 (so far) reported in our custody?

Mostly "violent causes".


source- http://www.eiis.net/cmart/vietwarstats.html

via- http://roachblog.blogspot.com/2005_03_13_roachblog_archive.html#111111636096712011


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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:40 PM
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4. There should be no doubt any more
that McCain has gone completely over to the dark side. Any shred of decency or sanity he may once have had has been destroyed by his association with the BFEE. What he got in return for the sale of his soul, I just don't know.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:54 PM
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8. if i never hear or read about this slut again
i can live w/ that.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 12:04 AM
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9. No doubt.
I'm sorry I voted for him in Californias open primary in 2000.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:34 AM
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10. There is no doubt in my mind...
that McCain sold his sole to the party line. Screw that democracy sell they are trying to push. I lost all respect for him since he was a Hanoi Hilton resident. Of all people to sell out our soldier's one would think he would be the last. <puke>
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 11:47 PM
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6. It just does not matter that EVERY reason Bush gave for war was a LIE!!
NO WMD
NO NUKES
NO NUKE PROGRAM
NO ALUMINUM TUBES
NO MOBILE WEAPONS LABS
NO LINKS TO 9/11
NO LINKS TO OSAMA (where is he again???)
NO UNMANNED DRONES
NO SCUDS

But at least we have "Freedom and Liberty" :puke:
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:36 AM
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13. Amen!!
But for some reason, that dosen't matter anymore!!!

No the repugs would say," at least the Iraquis have Freedom and Liberty"
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:37 AM
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11. Fuck you, McCain, you worthless sellout.
You dick around with men who attacked your child because of her skin color. Fuck you. I used to respect you, but now you're just another one of those worthless fucks.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:27 AM
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12. Delusional and dangerous
or just insane ?
I used to like him - after a fashion. Now we know he is just another GOP whore.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:49 AM
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14. And because he doesn't want to be alienated by the GOP....nt
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 08:49 AM by LeftHander
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 08:52 AM
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15. McCain=bushs lap dog
he has no creditbility..................he is one who wants media attention all the time and will sit on the fence until hes called by the GOP................its time to really find out about his POW records........they tried to disgrace Kerry.......turnabout is fair game folks.this is how they win!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:13 AM
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16. More flatulence from that unprincipled suck-up butt-kissing hypocrite
Screw McCain.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:36 AM
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17. We should be better than that
Even if we demanded and got McCain's POW records and tried to use them against him, we would be doing less evil than they tried to do to Kerry. They lied. Even so, smearing McCain for a time period where he did act heroically would diminish us and also probably wouldn't work. They have the greater part of the media - if we did the media would in stern moral terms, have called upon Bush and all to ask them to condemn and remove anyone wearing a purple heart band-aid from their convention. They have the media, they will generate the moral outrage, it will backfire.

Is it fair? NO Was McCain more heroic? Who can even compare? You could argue that Kerry had more options to lay low and not be a hero where McCain had little choice. I think either man's heroism was above how most people would have acted and twisting these events for political good is shameful. I do think that it's interesting that Kerry's response to attacks on any of the other vets, was immediate, strong and highly supportive - McCain's reaction must have been a bitter disappointment. Kerry, by age 27, had already reflected on the subject of morality and war and how it impacted those who fought more than McCain has to this day.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 01:50 PM
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22. Bush now calls him his "dangdest puppy"
At the Gridiron, Mr. Bush joked that he had the "dangedest puppy" who would roll over on command - but only some of the time. "I renamed him 'John McCain.' "
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:37 AM
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18. McCain has ALWAYS been the worst sort of a neocon
before Bush picked Cheney as his running mate all the neo-cons were backing McCain.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 09:37 AM
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19. and the puppet speaks
who'd a thunk it? :shrug:
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jenn1977 Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 10:28 AM
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20. McCain is a disgusting human being.
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shantipriya Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 03:28 PM
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26. McCain!?!?!?
I agree. He is a scum bag . He thinks because he was POW, he knows everything and people should fall for him. If anybody, he should realise the folly of wars .
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Middle Finger Bush Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 12:51 PM
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21. thats truly sad
McKain must have forgotten the dirty tricks he was victim of... or maybe he didn't.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:41 PM
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23. "to prevent something like this from ever happening again."
However, it was a good idea this time anyway, right?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 02:47 PM
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24. they erred on the side of death
and this report should be good for a laugh when it comes out:

In a recent interview, McCain said the report by the panel led by Republican Laurence Silberman and Democrat Chuck Robb was worth the $10 million Congress dedicated to it.

"I think questions had to be answered as to why we were so wrong," McCain said. "We needed to have recommendations as to how to prevent something like this from ever happening again."
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