House to issue subpoenas to keep Schiavo alive (Terri asked to testify?)

[truthpusher]

The story below (from AP) says that a 'Subpoena/s' will be issued. The story did not say to whom they will be issued. However, Drudge Report had this to say:

"**Exclusive Fri Mar 18 2005 00:50:07 ET** The Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pension (HELP) Committee, Mike Enzi (R-Wyoming) has requested Terri Schiavo to testify before his congressional committee, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. In so doing it triggers legal or statutory protections for the witness, among those protections is that nothing can be done to cause harm or death to this individual.

Members of Congress went to the U.S. Attorney in DC to ask for a temporary restraining order to be issued by a judge, which protects Terri Schiavo from having her life support, including her feeding and hydration tubes, removed... Developing..."
Link: http://www.drudgereport.com/

Of course, I will post more as it comes up. Here is the AP Story:

AP NewsBreak: House to issue subpoenas to keep Schiavo alive
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Posted on Fri, Mar. 18, 2005
JESSE J. HOLLAND
Associated Press
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WASHINGTON - In a last-ditch effort to save Terri Schiavo's life, a House committee plans to issue subpoenas Friday to stop doctors from removing the severely brain-damaged woman's feeding tube.

The extraordinary legislative maneuver comes after the House and Senate failed to agree on legislation to keep the woman alive before leaving Washington for their spring break. House officials hope that the subpoenas will stop doctors from removing Schiavo's feeding tube at 1 p.m. EST Friday.

"We will issue a subpoena which will require hospice administrators and attending physicians to preserve nutrition and hydration for Terri Schiavo to allow Congress to fully understand the procedures and practices that are currently keeping her alive," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and Government Reform Committee Chairman Tom Davis said in a statement. "The subpoena will be joined by a Senate investigation as well.

"This inquiry should give hope to Terri, her parents and friends, and the millions of people throughout the world who are praying for her safety. This fight is not over."

more: http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/11166184.htm

[BrklynLiberal]

1. How about some subpoenas to keep our soldiers in Iraq alive?

[mike_c]

2. or Iraqis...?

eom

[burrowowl]

3. And

all the homeless children in U$ streets and ...
Delay makes me :puke:

[Lorien]

33. Hey, there's a radical idea!

I don't know much about this brain dead woman's case (even though I guess this is taking place in my city, I don't watch or read the MSM) but the whole thing sounds like another OJ/ Jackson/ Peterson style media made distraction. what's so special about this one woman?

[saltpoint]

4. All of this huffing and puffing by "pro-lifers" to keep this --

-- poor woman "alive" borders on necrophilia.

It's politically offensive and it's damned creepy, too.

[Disturbed]

8. Aside from political grandstanding...

what is this really about, bottom line?

[saltpoint]

9. What is the topic about or what is my post about?

Not sure what you mean.

[Eric J in MN]

5. I'm sure medicine would be much better if Dennis Hastert

interfered with doctors more often (sarcasm)

[saltpoint]

11. : )

And maybe a tv series on FOX:

"Dr. Hastert, M.D."

[sandnsea]

6. My husband needs medical care

How about an act for him to receive it so he can stay alive. In fact, if they pass this thing, how about a class action suit from all of us who don't have medical care to demand we receive the procedures and practices necessary to keep us alive. We're certainly as worthy as Terri Schiavo.

I'm starting to think this might create quite a precedence.

[etherealtruth]

37. Excellent point (n/t)

[HockeyMom]

54. Bigger Precedence

Takes away Spousal Rights. It means GOVERNMENT will have the final say in your death, not your spouse. So, even if you are married, you better start making out your Living Will AND appointing a Health Proxy/Power of Attorney. Your husband or wife's word on your wishes won't be good enough.

[KansDem]

102. So much for the "sanctity of marriage" the GOP likes to tout...

Perhaps the Republicans' Constitutional Amendment will read:

We believe in the sanctity of marriage, unless the Republican Party's interests are negatively affected. Then to Hell with you.

___
edited to correct subject/verb agreement

[tater_salad]

111. And parental rights

Check this out ...

<snip> First Time In US History and it happens in Texas, go figure: Sun's death marks the first time a hospital has been allowed by a U.S. judge to discontinue an infant's life-sustaining care against a parent's wishes, according to bioethical experts. A similar case involving a 68-year-old man in a chronic vegetative state at another Houston hospital is before a court now. http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3084934

and this

<snip> A Houston-area hospital has the right to halt life-support measures for a 68-year-old Friendswood man, despite his wife's objections, a judge ruled Wednesday.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4269884/detail.html?subid=22100412&qs=1;bp=t

WHERE'S THE RIGHT TO LIFE GROUPS NOW?????

[sandnsea]

113. Ironic, isn't it

AND if this woman had had prenatal care, the condition of the fetus would have been diagnosed. She wouldn't have been allowed to have an abortion, but the state can decide to remove the respirator. :crazy:

[sandnsea]

112. health care for all is more important

I can deal with having to get a power of attorney if the trade-off is a federal right to health care. If Congress keeps screwing around in the Terri Schiavo case, that's exactly what they're going to end up doing. Whether they realize it or not.

[Charlie Brown]

7. Now that this argument is taking up congressional time

and costing the taxpayers money, I'm pretty pissed off.

[napi21]

10. I don't know if they can do that via subpoena.

I'm no lawyer, but every subpoena I've ever seen or heard of demands documents, or a person to appear, but never a "don't do something until I say it's OK' statement.

Doesn't that take a court order?

[Catt03]

101. If she is the one under subpoena, doesn't she have to respond?

nt

[toopers]

105. You don't understand.

If she fails to show or fails to testify, then they will issue an arrest warrant and put her in jail!

[still_one]

12. consider this for a moment

Assume Terri Schiavo actually is aware of her surroundings

She is a prisoner in her own body. She can't feed herself, perform bodily functions, or move about. The only she has is her mind, and she can't even communicate her thoughts

I only hope that these wonderful people who are condemning terri schiavo to this existence have the opportunity to experience it themselves

[Bouncy Ball]

13. Well don't worry about that, because with no

cerebral cortex there's no way in hell she's aware of ANYTHING at all.

She's a shell. A body. No one home. Long gone. Her mind isn't even THERE anymore, but they want to keep the body alive.

What for? :shrug:

[still_one]

14. The reason I brought my scenerio is because that would be

condeming her to a living hell

The other argument which I hate is when they say they want to "starve" her to death.

That is not how it is done. Obviously, this ignorant people have never heard of a morphine drip

damn them

[janx]

44. I called my senators today.

This is appalling!

[loritooker]

104. This is a tactic to divert our attention from, well, everything...nt

[VegasWolf]

15. We need a new law. People with no cerebral cortex must be kept

alive until all insurance money runs out.

[Lenore]

16. House to issue subpoenas to keep Terry Schiavo alive

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a last-ditch effort to save Terri Schiavo's life, a House committee plans to issue subpoenas Friday to stop doctors from removing the severely brain-damaged woman's feeding tube.

The extraordinary legislative maneuver comes after the House and Senate failed to agree on legislation to keep the woman alive before leaving Washington for their spring break. House officials hope that the subpoenas will stop doctors from removing Schiavo's feeding tube at 1 p.m. ET Friday.

"We will issue a subpoena which will require hospice administrators and attending physicians to preserve nutrition and hydration for Terri Schiavo to allow Congress to fully understand the procedures and practices that are currently keeping her alive," House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and Government Reform Committee Chairman Tom Davis said in a statement. "The subpoena will be joined by a Senate investigation as well.

"This inquiry should give hope to Terri, her parents and friends, and the millions of people throughout the world who are praying for her safety. This fight is not over." continued...

[mike_c]

17. dupe

[Erika]

18. It is a Dupe but millions are praying

that the marriage sanctity will be upheld and that the GOP will stop using Terri for a far right agenda. Shame on them.

[punpirate]

19. What would a subpoena do...

... in this instance? These people are stupid. A subpoena is a demand for appearance and testimony, not a request for a stay, which would be the requirement at this time, given that state courts have given the go-ahead for disconnection of her feeding tube effective tomorrow.

Hastert and DeLay must be delusional.

Why can't these idiots leave the poor woman alone?

[Erika]

21. As a federal witness she is offered protections

It is nothing more than a stalling tactic perversely using the Congressional authority to fulfill a political agenda.

[punpirate]

24. She can't give testimony....

You're right--it's a stalling tactic, but, still, it comes down to why these assholes are torturing all those in the legal process.

Ah, hell, the arguments are old. These people are whores to stupidity.

[Erika]

25. Using Congressional powers to subpoena

a woman with no cerebral cortex is just a subterfuge and probably a misuse of government powers for political purposes.

[punpirate]

29. Yeah, I know....

These people don't care about her, or her various extended family. This is about empowering the fundies, who don't care about her, either, except as a symbol of something even they don't really care about.

It's just wretchedly political manipulation, that's what I'm railing about. *sigh*

[VelvetMonkeyWrench]

22. If she were to "appear"...

...I suppose it would physically remove her from FL.

They can't apply FL law to yank the tube if she's not in FL when the time expires.

Its a pretty clever dodge -- I didn't really think congress was this clever ;->

[Bouncy Ball]

28. She's not going anywhere.

They are NOT going to physically transport her to DC, mark my words.

[Erika]

31. So this is a play to the right wing and that's all it is?

I lose respect for republicans more each day.

[Betty]

110. I can't lost respect for republicans

because I have none.

[Occulus]

20. Why are Republicans holding this woman's soul hostage? n/t

[Erika]

23. I wonder why they fear the hereafter

They act as if it was a social taboo or a dreaded illness with the end so horrible that no one should have to face it.

[Occulus]

26. They fear talking about death and all it entails n/t

[Erika]

27. It is so strange that the far right wing "yelps" about death

It's always complexed me. Do they fear meeting their maker?

[Erika]

30. Her soul was restored long ago

[coda]

32. Same bunch that bleats to their sheep about judicial activism....

...and rails against big government.

What a wonderful godsend of a diversion this must be for a group that refuses to deal with oversight, ethics violations, exploding budget deficits, etc.

Every contentious life support case or situation that occurs in this country should be dropped in their laps, if only to prove what enormous hypocrites they are.

[Sandpiper]

34. Seems like a blatant abuse of the Subpoena Power

To subpoena a woman that they know for a fact is incomptetent to answer it.

[superconnected]

35. Dear President Bush,

So far I understand that:

1. It's not alright to kill fetus', even when they may kill their mother.
2. It's okay to execute prisoners even if they are retarded.
3. It's not okay to kill vegetables who may be missing a substantial part of their brain
4. It's okay to kill all men, women and children in Iraq

What I don't understand is:
Your interpretation of "thou shalt not kill". Apparently you have added an "except" to this.

So what I want to know is,

Does it include gays?

Thank you,

Liberal Wacko

[mordarlar]

36. While i have serious questions about Michael, this is WRONG.

A twisted manipulation of a system. WRONG WRONG WRONG.

[LisaL]

41. I only wish they paid that much attention to every person

murdered in Iraq.

[truthpusher]

38. Joint Statement from Hastert, DeLay, and Davis on Terri Schiavo Subpoena

http://www.earnedmedia.org/soth0318.htm

To: National Desk

Contact: Ron Bonjean, 202-225-2800 or 202-225-3066; Dan Allen, 202-226-4218 or 202-225-2288; or Rob White, 202-226-0833

WASHINGTON, March 18 /Christian Wire Service/ -- Speaker of the House J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R- Texas), and Government Reform Chairman Tom Davis (R-Va.) released the following statement regarding the Committee on Government Reform's inquiry into the long-term care of incapacitated or non- ambulatory adults:

"The Committee on Government Reform has initiated an inquiry into the long-term care of incapacitated adults, an issue of growing importance to the federal government and federal healthcare policy. The committee's inquiry arises out of the case of Terri Schiavo, who is currently being kept alive in a hospice in Florida. Later this morning we will issue a subpoena which will require hospice administrators and attending physicians to preserve nutrition and hydration for Terri Schiavo to allow Congress to fully understand the procedures and practices that are currently keeping her alive. The subpoena will be joined by a Senate investigation as well.

"This inquiry should give hope to Terri, her parents and friends, and the millions of people throughout the world who are praying for her safety. This fight is not over."

[truthpusher]

39. Photo: A person in the throws of addiction:

All I can sy is "It's not quantity baby, It's quality"



Actual Caption: Rebekah Gatlyn prays outside the hospice center where Terri Schiavo is hospitalized in Largo, Florida. US doctors may turn off the feeding tube of a Florida woman who has been in a vegitative state for 15 years while her husband and parents fight over whether she should be kept alive.(AFP/Getty Images/File/Tim Boyles)

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[truthpusher]

42. In her heart she is probably a martyr...I think bitch is a bit harsh.

Obviously martyr she is not (who am I to judge?) but, I really hope she and others may clue in someday. It is sad seeing our youth being used politically by absolute corruption.

[icymist]

43. More like 'martyr complex'

No longer do the Christians throw their own lives away in the Roman arenas, now they want to throw other people into the arena in Washington. What the hell is Congress thinking?! To get involved in such matters will only wind up with all parties involved becoming bitter. What happened to all that sanctimonious bullshit about marraige...? Doesn't this action take away from the husband the right to make these medical decision? Oh, wait,,,,that only applies to gay and lesbian couples.

[atreides1]

58. I'm Kind of Old Fashioned

I truly beleive that to be a true martyr, you have to give up your life for your beliefs. Now if she were wearing duct tape over her nose and mouth, that would be acceptable.

[Name removed]

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[bluedog]

46. The Evangelical Cult at work........The CAUSE USA

Part of TheCause USA, the Amabiles live with others in the group in a Maryland dorm-like facility. The organization, made up of primarily college-aged kids, was founded by Lou Engle, an evangelical activist pastor.they hand out roses while protesting.

The supporters came to pray, to fast and to sing. A few danced as a quartet performed a youthful blend of spiritual tunes.


An evangelical pastor asked Paul Amabile in December to move his family of eight across the country.

In less than a month, Amabile quit a sales job in Kansas City, Mo., and relocated his family to the Washington, DC


Amabile said when the family isn't in Washington, they travel around the nation protesting different causes. Next they will go to Alabama.


..............they want to overturn the 1973 Roe vs. Wade Supreme Court abortion decision. ...........Instead of roaming the country sitting-in for civil rights, ...........they travel arguing the right to life.............

Amabile said his family doesn't mind the traveling and he doesn't mind not working. His friends and former co-workers were supportive of the move, he said.

"People were supportive, a lot gave me money and said, "Here's the first donation,"' he said. "Now we live on support, like missionaries.







http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/18/Tampabay/Support_of_life_draws.shtml

[leesa]

175. She probably prays as fervently for the death of Muslims.

What a drama queen!

[kskiska]

45. Odd that Pigboy has been silent on this story

Apparently, Savage has been inciting the mob to storm the hospice.

[janx]

48. Where did you hear this?

?

[kskiska]

49. Usually, his every word is repeated by freeps and on Faux

No quotes from his website, either. Seems like he'd be all over this. Maybe he doesn't want to ruffle the ACLU's feathers since they're sympathetic to his case. I'm not a listener, so maybe I've missed it, but I haven't seen any mention.

[janx]

50. Sorry--I meant "Savage."

What is he doing?

[kskiska]

53. I don't know firsthand

but it was mentioned on a thread in freeperville. I'll see if I can find his website.

[Walt Starr]

47. Shiavo's attorneys will have this before a court and have it thrown out

This won't work. She is incapable of testifying before Congress and the Panderers to the Religiously Insane know it.

This will be thrown out before noon. Count on it.

IIRC The Florida legislature tried the same tactic at one point and were excoriated by the courts for such a blatant abuse of power.

[msanthrope]

51. I hope this gets in front of a judge, quickly......n/t

[neverforget]

52. This isn't about Life. It's about CONTROL. Republicans don't give

a shit about QUALITY of life, but they do care about QUANITITY. Once a baby is born, they don't care anymore. When it comes to death, they certainly care.

[mikelgb]

55. oh man...

just pull the tubes...
does anybody really want her to have to become cognizant of the world we live in again. I remember to let everybody know that if Republicans are trying to keep me alive, do not hesitate to pull the damn plug.

[stillcool]

56. That must be some damn good insurance she has. n/t

[Stephanie]

59. GOP Asks Brain-Damaged Woman to Testify

GOP Asks Brain-Damaged Woman to Testify

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20050318/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman_21

By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans embroiled in the life-or-death legal battle over the severely brain-damagedTerri Schiavo invited the Florida woman to testify to Congress in a procedural move intended to keep her on life support.

The Senate Health Committee has requested that Terri and her husband Michael appear at an official committee hearing on March 28. A statement from the office of House Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., on Friday said the purpose of the hearing was to review health care policies and practices relevant to the care of non-ambulatory people.

[meganmonkey]

60. Whaaaa???

How can someone with virtually no cerebral cortex testify?

:wtf:

[Stephanie]

62. that headline just sums up the last 5 years, doesn't it?

this is where we're at with the Radical Right

[Warpy]

71. They can't.

They're going to get somebody with a brain injury who recovered enough funciton to testify.

Fucking lunatics don't realize there's a difference between these folks who are still able to think, feel, and act and a person whose body is basically without a brain and the capacity to do anything beyond autonomic functions and random movements.

I truly hate any politician who thinks he can practice medicine. They always end up doing great harm to a lot of people.

[tnlefty]

91. FrankenFrist strikes again. As a physician he should know better

but I suppose being an ideologue is more important right now. God he is such an embarrassment.

[THUNDER HANDS]

81. probably the same way they can ask questions

Oh, i thought you were talking about Senate Republicans. Sorry.

[Warren Stupidity]

89. It ain't virtual

Her cerebral cortex is gone. The space is filled with spinal fluid. This is macabre, goulish, disgusting, depraved, abhorrent, evil, words fail. We are at the end of rational behavior. Whatever the opposite of The Enlightenment is, that is where we are headed.

[mmonk]

96. bingo

[meganmonkey]

100. You are absolutely correct

I was choosing words carefully. I had to post something but I hate getting caught up in the 'Save Terry' arguments these threads get attacked with. So I was trying to be slightly vague.

Uh-oh, I have outed myself. :P

[meegbear]

61. sick sick sick

[pinerow]

63. It's a good thing that our so-called representatives have

solved the energy and deficit crisis' and can now concentrate on the big issues...death with dignity and steroids in baseball...sheesh...:wtf:

[Marnieworld]

64. Brain-dead not damaged

If I get a concussion and lose a little memory that's damage. The woman is a vegetable or at least her body is because she is long gone. What these parents are doing to her is so very selfish and how the politicians are using her is so very sick.

[Ganja Ninja]

65. This will make the Daily Show.

You just can't write bizarre comedy like the GOP does.

[oddmanout]

66. Words fail me................

I cannot believe how deplorable this is.......



:puke:

[sakabatou]

67. WTH?

:wtf:

[Solly Mack]

68. This makes sense to the GOP because republicans are

lacking in grey matter.

[peekaloo]

69. MLB has asked her to throw out the first pitch at the World Series

in October.

It's getting ridiculous.

[meganmonkey]

70. LMAO -

Sad and funny.

I assume you're kidding but at this point it wouldn't surprise me

:P

[peekaloo]

73. A deal was struck with Congress.

:evilgrin:

:-)

[TahitiNut]

77. Will she be tested for steroids first?

What if Congress decides to prosecute her? What if she's deemed a 'material witness' and is taken into custody? Will they send her to Guantanimo? This regime is more abominable than the Taliban. :puke:

[MsMagnificent]

95. LOL

[seafan]

72. The reason is:

once a person is subpoenaed, by law, no harm may come to the witness called on to testify.

It's just a ruse to stop the feeding tube from being removed. It's another piece of red meat for the nuts.

[meganmonkey]

78. That makes sense.

Well, it doesn't REALLY make sense, but that seems likely to be the logic behind it.

Sick motherf*ckers.

:puke:

[havocmom]

74. Forrest Gump for Senator!

cuz the Senate is like a box of chocolates, filled with fluff & nuts.

[NoPasaran]

75. This kind of reminds me of the Middle Ages

When animals were sometimes put on trial for crimes they had committed.

[drthais]

93. they WERE??????????????

I didn;t know that....

but you are right
it is similar

it is so sad, really
for Congress to bring up the vision
of this woman called upon to testify
the picture it forms in one's mind is so weird
geez

[NoPasaran]

103. Yes

Some years ago there was a movie made called "The Advocate", about a Medieval lawyer defending a pig. It's worth watching for its portrayal of those times.

[saigon68]

76. Criminal Right Wing Fundie Whack-Jobs

Appealing to the base.

On Edit ---I'm glad there are no hungry kids in amerika.</sarcasm>

[rodeodance]

83. What a headline for the AP!!!

[Warren Stupidity]

79. this is beyond bullshit

:hurts: :beer: :nuke: :puke: :wtf:

[ugarte]

80. Is this all just a GOP plot to groom her for political office?

Maybe she'll run for Nelson's seat. In Florida, she'd probably be a shoo-in.

[NewsTalk]

82. One thing about it

if she is taken there to appear before the Republicans on this committee, she will immediately raise the average level of cognitive ability in the room.

[truebrit71]

84. Are you f**king kidding me? She is BRAIN DEAD you MORANS!!!

They have gone off the deep end....

Unbelievable.... :eyes:

[denverbill]

85. Why are these fundies trying to keep her out of heaven?

Surely they must realize she'd be a heckuva lot happier in heaven than living like this. The only reason she's still alive is because extraordinary medical intervention is keeping her tissues alive.

[CottonBear]

90. Do they not believe in God's will for Terri?

If they take her off the feeding tube then either a.) God will restore her brain and she will be whole or b.) God will take her to heaven where she will be whole.

Apparently, they don't believe in heaven and God's will.

[Lindacooks]

97. BINGO!!!!

We have a winner!!

This needs to be spread far and wide.

[peekaloo]

99. I would love to hear her husband take this approach.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

86. Fits in

We have a brain damaged President

[bullimiami]

87. they are animals

they dont give 2 shits for life or rights of anyone. Its all about power, the power to tell others what they can and cant do.
The power to force someone to bow to their twisted delusion of god or religion.

BASTARDS.

[Algorem]

88. They should be making a huge mistake with this.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

92. She's a model citizen

They're rolling out the new "B" track citizenship, people who only consume energy and do nothing else.

Please assemble at your local police station for conversion.

[MsMagnificent]

94. Haven't you ever heard of a Peer Review?

[uppityperson]

98. Still waiting (Yahoo), * wants to decrease stupid lawsuits?

Latest via Yahoo, still waiting amidst flurry of Repub activity. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20050318/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman

Mr.bush wants to limit money from suing doctors? WTF is he doing with this, how much is he spending, is he allowing to be spent and for what? I know I know I know. That was a rhetorical question rant.

[Algorem]

107. this could work out really well

[Stephanie]

108. THIS IS A CLASSIC HEADLINE -

Terrible mistake to combine these threads - we've buried an incredible headline that the whole world should see.

[wicket]

109. outrageous!!!!

[babzilla]

176. best headline EVAH

GOP Asks Brain-Damaged Woman to Testify

What pray tell will her answer be? The suspense is killing me.

Who will be in charge of making her travel arrangements? The hearing is set for March 28th. Damn, she just missed the 2-week window for getting a better airfare to D.C.

[springhill]

106. You know, it is just amazing..................

Here is a woman who told her husband that she did not want to be kep alive this way, and yet we have an unprecedented attempt to subvert that wish.

Yet, where are these representatives when it comes to people who WANT to go on. Those who can't afford to get the medical care or operation or maybe an alternative procedure that might keep them alive? Where are the voices for thousands of people who would do anything to get the care they need but can't afford to do so?

This is one screwed up country we live in. Commissions on steroid use, bills to help the boy scouts, and this. With all the serious stuff going on in this country and they have no problem putting together a commission on steroid use in just a few weeks. There is something seriously wrong with these people.

My suggestion. Is there any way we can have an investigation of the Congress and the Senate? They are the ones that need to be scrutinized. What are they doing with all of our money, and why? Why are they focusing on the trivial while the important issues are neglected? Why are they continuing to protect a corrupt administration? There are a lot of issues I think we could investigate when it comes to these cretons.

[Moderator]

114. kick to combine

[tuvor]

115. DeLay Says He's Not Giving Up Schiavo Fight

March 19, 2005 — House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said that he and other Republican members of Congress would continue to work through the weekend to come up with a bill to force doctors to reinsert Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

After a heated legal and political battle, the brain-damaged woman's feeding tube was removed Friday afternoon, despite a last-ditch effort by Congress to prevent it.

On Friday, House Republicans took the extraordinary step of subpoenaing Terri Schiavo to testify before a Congressional committee, but a Florida judge refused that order. Then late Friday, a House committee filed an emergency request with the U.S. Supreme Court, asking justices to reinsert Schiavo's feeding tube while the committee files appeals.

The Supreme Court denied that appeal without comment, and in a statement issued Saturday, DeLay called the court's decision a "moral and legal tragedy."

The rest is at http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Schiavo/story?id=595905&page=1

[BlueEyedSon]

116. Maybe he should go down there and have a chat with her.

[saigon68]

117. He's an ugly piece of shit.

[salinen]

118. Here we go kiddies

Just how powerful is the religious right? This may be a test for how America feels about The American Taliban.

[saigon68]

128. YOU MEAN THE "TALI-BORN-AGAIN"

LOL

[Mr.Green93]

119. The brain-dead

have to stick up for each other.

[Bunny]

121. HAHAHAHA!

That was funny!

[Hand]

134. OUTSTANDING! nt

:yourock:

[durablend]

148. Vegetables have to stick together...

[dolo amber]

120. What a douchebag

:eyes:

I heard a sound bite yesterday I'd give anything to find and post here...he was lamenting how we don't starve animals to death if they're sick or whatever...Hello? Dumbass? That's because it's fucking LEGAL to humanely euthanize animals. Idiot. :nuke:

[saigon68]

131. Breaking News--"Douche Bags outraged when compared to DELAY"

A nasty Douche Bag would be upset to be put in the same category as this


HATEFUL RIGHT WING WHACK JOB.

[dolo amber]

137. Heh...good point

My sincerest apologies to douchbags everywhere. ;)

[saigon68]

146. GOOD ONE !!!

[candy331]

122. DeLay called the court's decision a "moral and legal tragedy."

Now isn't that a scream!

[saigon68]

154. delay loves blasting infidel islamics like these - warning GRAPHIC PHOTOS

[DenverDem]

123. Meanwhile the bug man applauded amerikkkan efforts to kill children

and parents in Iraq.

"The depleted uranium residues our heroic troops have spread across the lands of those godless Muslim children will slowly kill them and deform future generations for decades, similar to the ways I poisoned roaches in Houston. This is a moral triumph for the followers of General Jesus, our vengeful lord of hate, " the proud radical wrong wing reactionary stated, unaware of the irony.

[EBK]

124. Where the hell has he been for the past 15 years ??

Political grandstanding because now he seems to be in trouble !!

[Career Prole]

125. Tom "Bugman" DeLay Vows to Carry On Battle From His Jail Cell!

DeLay, you piece o' shit, your karmic scale is WAAAAY too far out of balance to save yourself with this cynical fight to keep Terry out of her grave and on the repuke campaign staff.

[shance]

126. I cannot BELIEVE this crook is being allowed to use this woman and this

situation for his political games.

Sickening doesnt begin to describe how sociopathic and evil he is.

The media once again is an accomplice.

[coloradodem2005]

127. Let me get this straight.

Republicans care about the lives of unborn fetuses and brain dead people on life-support.

If I am at that point, I cannot experience anything. I cannot feel anything. I could not imagine being stuck in that limbo for 15 years. If I get to that point, just let me die. I am assuming that they exhausted all their options up to that point. Why do they want this poor woman to continue suffering?

[dolo amber]

129. She's not suffering

Just as she won't suffer with the tube removed. There is nothing there to cause suffering. It's just pointless to let her linger; that is it's pointless OTHER than as an issue for the Republicans to milk. :eyes:

[coloradodem2005]

136. She is suffering because she is in limbo.

She's not really alive, not really dead. She cannot experience things or understand things. Her body cannot function at all and yet she's trapped within it.

[TahitiNut]

132. Their constituency: the barely sentient ... and less.

:shrug: Makes sense to me.

[babzilla]

150. the right wing dream constituent

Delay and his ilk work toward the day that all of their constituents are as compliant as a fetus or the brain-dead.
Cognitive brains are problematic for them.

Will the house republicans subpoena fetuses next?

[dogonarug]

167. The new republican health care plan

We will give you health care FREE*(see note)

* if you're not yet born or nearly in the grave...

[tanyev]

130. Tom Delay is a moral and legal tragedy.

[leftchick]

133. Now Here is Something The Cockroach Should REALLY be fighting for

If he supported the troops, which he does NOT.As well as the rest of the Repuks who do NOT!.....


Brain injury therapy being underfunded (bush slashed funding)


http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...

March 18, 2005

According to doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., 60 percent of the wounded soldiers coming back from Iraq have traumatic brain injuries.

Unfortunately, the Bush administration has recently completely zeroed out funding for the Federal TBI Act, which provides exactly this kind of help.

In Vermont, due to recent decisions concerning budgetary shortfalls, TBI survivors are now prevented from entering the Vermont TBI Medicaid Waiver Program, which delivers exactly this kind of help.

Please call the governor [phone] and our congressional representatives and ask them to support the Vermont TBI Medicaid Waiver Program.

[Hand]

139. Oh. My. God.

This is beyond contemptible. It's evil.

"Support the troops," cried the AWOL chimp... as he consigned the victims of his vanity to hell on earth forever.

:cry:

[shance]

177. Great work LC***This needs to go to the DNC and media matters.

If this isn't a silver bullet I don't know what is.

[DeBunk]

135. Aks Barbara Boxer to introduce a compromise bill, to save Teri Shiavo

I know all of us aren't on board, and I don't know if she would do it. But, I can't handle this person starving to death. It's not right. The more I think about it the more I don't like it.

E-Mail Senator Boxer

Also, I am new here. If anyone agrees with me please post this as a top level topic.

Thanks

[Walt Starr]

143. No

Fuck that noise!

[DeBunk]

147. I know it's not what most what to hear.

I know it's not the politically correct thing to do. But, withholding food is wrong. It was a humane death I would be on board.

[Name removed]

149. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DeBunk]

151. Dude, I'm no troll

Dude, I'm no troll. I'm true blue.

Can't you see the right has a new martyr. This woman is going to be on every right wing poster for the next 20 years. They look like heroes and we look like executioners.

[Walt Starr]

152. That's where you're wrong

Look at the polls. 80% of those polled would want the damned tube pulled.

She's only a martyr to the radical clerics and their followers, the religiously insane.

[DeBunk]

157. I respect your opinion

I just can't deal with this feeding tube thing. If she could get a shot, or some gas or something quick and painless. But, the feeding tube? It's going to take a week for her to die. Fuck that. I bet that 80% number would change quick if people new that.

[Walt Starr]

162. Tell it to the religiously insane who want to keep her corpse animated

You can euthanize your dog, but you can't euthanize the animated corpse of your wife.

[DeBunk]

164. Nail on the head man.

It's the worst of situations.

They want to keep her as a pet, but don't have the same compassion pet owners do. I put my dog to sleep. I cried my fucking eyes out. He was a good dog, but it was the right thing to do.

[DeBunk]

161. BTW

I haven't gotten any traction with this. Neither on this or other boards I have more history on.

[DS1]

156. Oh fuck that, congress doesn't need to be involved in every case

by case personal issue. Florida's Congress is perfectly capable of dealing with this, just like it was during the 2000 election.

The Federal Government needs to focus on doing its job, not dallying around with some bullshit like this.

[DeBunk]

165. I agree on that

But, they are using this issue very effectively. I think this is going to hurt us. But, I am known to be wrong...a lot.

[DS1]

171. No, I don't think they are using it effectively

I think when a lot of people saw DeLay getting up on his Christian White Horse they called Bullshit.

Because it is bullshit. And the American people know that the best people to spend bullshit is Americans, not the Federal Government.
/Dubya

[DeBunk]

174. I hope you're right!

It got me questioning my beliefs. You can see that pretty clearly in my posts. I am all torn up on this.

[sonicx]

138. ABC News obtained talking points

<<Among them, that it is an important moral issue and the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue — this is a tough issue Democrats.">>

polls say otherwise, morans...

btw, judge was REPUBLICAN.

[Quixote1818]

144. I read that too! Dems should be ALL OVER THAT!!!! nt

[spanone]

140. LIke he gives a shit...he's working on his 'image', nothing else.

He and doktor Frist are grandstanding camera hounding slugs.

[saltpoint]

170. Hey spanone. If there's a more accurate and resonant --

-- description of DeLay and Frist's conduct this week than your post, I'll be damned if I know what it is.

Loved it.

[Walt Starr]

141. This is so he can blame his ethics problems

on the "Pro-Death" lobby.

It's all about politics. He's prefer if Shiavo died before he could get the Congress to act because a dead martyr is more valuable to him right now than an animated corpse.

[Lindacooks]

142. God, mind your own fricking business, you freak.

I HATE Delay.

[DemBones DemBones]

145. For once, Tom DeLay is doing the right thing.

The right is notoriously bad about cutting benefits to care for the disabled but at least they don't want to kill us. The left will throw us a bone now and then but if we seem inconvenient and someone claims we want to die, they're all for offing us.

WHY???

Here's a short explanation from Mary Johnson's introduction to her book "Make Them Go Away: Clint Eastwood, Christopher Reeve, and the Case Against Disability Rights."

"The case against disability rights had the same "you can't make me!" free-market histrionics one always got from social conservatives when it came to civil rights issues. The difference was that in this case, almost no liberal groups spoke out in support of disability rights."

"Why was that? Most liberals and progressives believed that the problems racial minorities, women and gays faced were the result of animus, the work of a discriminatory society. When it came to disabled people, though, liberals' views were similar to those of the anti's. They believed disabled people faced essentially private, medical problems rather than problems of discrimination. What a disabled person needed, they felt, was medical intervention -- a cure. Lacking that, they should be given help, through private charity or government benefits programs."

(Emphasis added)

[sonicx]

159. If i were in the situation, i would want the tube removed...

you would go against my wishes?

Thanks to this case, i'm having it written up.

[chascarrillo]

163. There's so much wrong with this post that I don't know where to start

Really, I'm at a loss.

[atreides1]

173. Tom Delay has never done the right thing

You cannot do the right thing for the wrong reason, this has been going on for over a decade, and only now at the end does Delay get involved.

He got involved for nothing more then to make his own crooked ass look good to the Xtian Taliban, who seem to have all the time in the world to sit outside of a hospice, but can't seem to bring themselves to help the homeless or other disabled people.

By the way, when that little boy in Texas was having the plug pulled on him, where was your hero Tom Delay and these other clowns at? Could it be that because the child was black, that no one cared, of course down in Texas, when a judge decides to pull the plug it's okay.

What's your take on Sun Hudson by the way, should the Xtian Taliban also have gotten involved in that case as well, or is there concern only directed at white women who live in Florida?

[DS1]

153. DeLay is just flooding the media with anyting but his corruption. I'd

rather see DeLay strapped in bed and vegetized than Terri.

[MrBenchley]

155. And when he's indicted and convicted

he'll claim he's being persecuted because of this stand....

[DeBunk]

160. She'd be off Delay's radar that's for sure

He is a dirty corrupt bastard.

[MrBenchley]

178. You got that 100% right....(n/t)

[TahitiNut]

158. What if Terri Shiavo were a BLACK MALE???

The reichbots wouldn't even know his name. :shrug:

[skip fox]

166. I applauded the effort to save life and hope the bill includes life-saving

measures for everyone, including the homeless (shelter & food). Until then it's bogus.

(That is, the bill the House is contemplating for Monday to "save" T.S.)

[lawladyprof]

168. Force feeding--eom

N/T

[pauliedangerously]

169. It's an effective publicity stunt

Anyone with a brain in their head and a conscience would let this woman die.

This ia another example of why I scoff at fundamentalists. If heaven is so much better than life on Earth, then why does letting this woman die cause a conflict?

Clearly, technological developments have out-paced the average human brain. Who needs to go to the zoo? This country is one big Jungle Habitat full of animals pretending to be something completely different from all of the other life forms on this planet.

[DeBunk]

172. Shit yes it is!

Very effective. It has me questioning it. You can see above I have very mixed feelings on this.

[MiniMe]

179. **LATEST BREAKING NEWS ABOUT SCHIAVO**

The Senate and Congress will meet at 5pm today to try to pass the Senate version of Terri's bill before they adjorn. Don't have a link, heard it on Faux Neuz. (barfing)That's why I didn't post it as a separate story.

God, Frist and DeLay are getting my blood pressure up. Does that mean that they won't cut Medicare subsidies to the states who have to pay for the medical care? I doubt it. Somebody else on here said it is wrong to pass legislation for a single person, I couldn't agree more!

[sonicx]

180. what does the bill do? the courts have already tossed out their...

other desperate attempt.

[Moderator]

181. locking

latest update here
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