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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:14 PM
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Judiciary Committee quashes Democrats’ effort to demand credentialing info
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 06:17 PM by cal04
JUDICIARY VOTES DOWN GANNON INQUIRY, 21-10
Judiciary Committee quashes Democrats’ effort to demand credentialing info on ‘Gannon’
The House Judiciary Committee voted against adopting a resolution demanding Bush agencies turn over all credentialing information related to James D. Guckert 21-10, the discredited conservative reporter and prostitute who wrote under the nom de guerre “Jeff Gannon.” Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the ranking Democrat on the committee, said the resolution was imperative to ensuring that the line between reporters and activists remains clear. “If we don’t investigate this matter thoroughly,” Conyers said, “where and when will be draw the line? I plead with my committee members in the Judiciary to support this very plain but necessary .”
F. James Sensenbrenner, chairman of the committee, said he felt that “the Administration, in my opinion, has substantially investigated this matter.” “The Secret Service has determined that Mr Guckert did not pose a danger to the President or his family,” Sensenbrenner said.

Sensenbrenner outlined his opposition to the measure in terms of not wanting to interfere with “competing investigations” by the Administration he said were already underway. “I would reiterate the fact that the Administration has substantially complied with the request for information,” the Wisconsin Republican said. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee said the matter demanded an investigation.

It “cries out for a House investigation,” she said. “I frankly believe that this is no less serious than my colleagues thought the Clinton investigation was to them.” Jackson Lee said Gannon had engaged in a possible “penetration of the White House.” Voting in favor of the resolution were: (All Democrats) Rep. Conyers Rep. Berman Rep. Scott Rep. Watt Rep. Jackson-Lee Rep. Waters Rep. Meehan Rep. Schiff Rep. Sanchez Rep. Van Hollen

Voting Against: (All Republicans) Rep. Sensenbrenner Rep. Coble Rep. (Lamar) Smith Rep. Gallegly Rep. Goodlatte Rep. Chabot Rep. Lungren Rep. Jenkins Rep. Cannon Rep. Bachus Rep. Inglis Rep. Hostettler Rep. Green Rep. Keller Rep. Issa Rep. Flake Rep. Pence Rep. Forbes Rep. King Rep. Franks Rep. Gohmert Not present: Democrats: Rep. Boucher Rep. Nadler Rep. Lofgren Rep. Delahunt Rep. Wexler Rep. Weiner Rep. (Adam) Smith Republicans: Rep. Hyde Rep. Feeney

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=184
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:17 PM
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1. No surprises there...
You didn't really think they'd look into anything that might lead to evidence of Rethuglican malfeasance, did you?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:20 PM
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2. The crooks are running Congress. And to think how upset
their constituents were with Clinton. pshaw. How do you make excuses for the Republican party these days? The party without ethics or morality.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:52 PM
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19. But ALL DEMS voted Against.
If these DEMS gave their ALL, I'm going to let them know I appreciate it.


<snip>
***Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee*** said the matter demanded an investigation. It “cries out for a House investigation,” she said. “I frankly believe that this is no less serious than my colleagues thought the Clinton investigation was to them.” Jackson Lee said Gannon had engaged in a possible “penetration of the White House.” (( Oh, Sheila, that was Punny - a penetration of the White House.))

Voting in favor of the resolution were: (All Democrats)
****Rep. Conyers*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Berman*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Scott*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Watt*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Jackson-Lee*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Waters*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Meehan*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Schiff*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Sanchez*** :thumbsup:
****Rep. Van Hollen*** :thumbsup:


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alevensalor Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:23 PM
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3.  3/16/2005 Judiciary Committee quashes Democrats’ effort to demand credent
The House Judiciary Committee voted against adopting a resolution demanding Bush agencies turn over all credentialing information related to James D. Guckert 21-10, the discredited conservative reporter and prostitute who wrote under the nom de guerre “Jeff Gannon.”

Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the ranking Democrat on the committee, said the resolution was imperative to ensuring that the line between reporters and activists remains clear.

“If we don’t investigate this matter thoroughly,” Conyers said, “where and when will be draw the line? I plead with my committee members in the Judiciary to support this very plain but necessary .”

F. James Sensenbrenner, chairman of the committee, said he felt that “the Administration, in my opinion, has substantially investigated this matter.”

“The Secret Service has determined that Mr Guckert did not pose a danger to the President or his family,” Sensenbrenner said.

Sensenbrenner outlined his opposition to the measure in terms of not wanting to interfere with “competing investigations” by the Administration he said were already underway.

“I would reiterate the fact that the Administration has substantially complied with the request for information,” the Wisconsin Republican said.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee said the matter

demanded an investigation.

It “cries out for a House investigation,” she said. “I frankly believe that this is no less serious than my colleagues thought the Clinton investigation was to them.”

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=184

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:23 PM
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4. If only Bill Clinton used this statement...
The Administration...has substantially investigated this matter.

The Republicans would have been satisfied and any investigation into Pres. Clinton's private life would not have taken place...
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:50 PM
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11. Hell, they flipped a f-in lid over Travelgate
and that was about the dumbest scandal that was ever even considered a scandal.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:38 PM
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13. I'm stupid. Travelgate? The yacht?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 06:47 AM
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20. travelgate
http://archives.cjr.org/year/96/2/travelgate.asp

snip

the 1993 firing of seven longtime employees of the travel office, which handles travel arrangements for reporters and television crews covering the president, has been revisited in congressional hearings, in countless news articles, and on dozens of television and radio programs. The burden of that coverage has focused on the role of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is alleged to have pressured White House lawyers into dismissing the travel office staff and bringing in the FBI to investigate them, so that friends of the First Family could enjoy the office's patronage spoils.

But that is a distorted, less than half-accurate account of a power struggle between a new administration, seeking control of an oddball agency inside the White House and staffed by presidential appointees, and a press corps that regards the travel office as its private preserve because news organizations pay the bills. Resentful of the ham-handed dismissal of people they knew and liked, many Washington journalists have seemed blind to elements of the story that cut against their bias -- and blind to that bias as well. snip
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:27 PM
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5. Predictable but no less reprehensible for that.
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 06:29 PM by Nothing Without Hope
The towering hypocrisy of this is awesome and horrible to behold. Such a mass of corruption to stand so tall.

What's next in the attempts to investigate the Gannongate scandal? More votes coming or was this it?

Recommended. We've been waiting to hear about this ruling.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:29 PM
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6. You know
I really was surprised when this came down. I don't know why. Oh well.
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:10 PM
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7. Which of these gay Republicans are they covering for?
To vote against it they have to have something at stake.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:16 PM
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8. bad day for Dems---and all of us
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:49 PM
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10. KKKarl might have let Jeff do some bareback riding
it makes sense. Karl was his inside guy, and Jeff must have done him real good to get where he is
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:40 PM
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14. He's not HURTING the Prez, it just looks and sounds that way....
It's an adult thing, honey, you wouldn't understand.

Anyway, Gannon F*****d the country more than he did any of his clients.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:47 PM
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9. oooh, what a shocker
the fucking GOP toilet scrubbers have no interest in male prostitutes working for KKKarl Rove.

Fucking ashamed.:mad:

Then they have the nerve to say "the administrtaion" is investigating it!!!
Yeah, I am sure they are working real hard on that one:boring:

I am sure the admin will deny any knowledge of Gannon and his :puke: activities.
He never got special treatment. Nope. Not by a God fearing White House that hates gays.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:42 PM
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16. Condi? Where's the shredder?
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woosh Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:51 PM
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Why are there so many republicans on that committee?
That doesn't reflect the proportion they hold in the house?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:42 PM
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17. They thought it was the PRE-judicial committee
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woosh Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:51 PM
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12. Why are there so many republicans on that committee?
That doesn't reflect the proportion they hold in the house?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:41 PM
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15. Despicable....nt
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:43 PM
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18. Yup
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 06:53 AM
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21. Gerry Nadler, DNY and Robert Wexler DFLA were not Present? What?
And Barney Franks voted against it but is listed in the Republican Column?

Doesn't this sound as if it wasn't take seriously and our Dems didn't stand together? :shrug:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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22. kick to combine
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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23. kick to combine
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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24. Probe of faux reporter voted down
<<SNIP>>
http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/local/11155624.htm

Probe of faux reporter voted down

Conservative activist's access to press corps remains an issue

By ELANA SCHOR

THE SUN HERALD WASHINGTON BUREAU


WASHINGTON - Thompson's attempt to begin an investigation into how an online writer was allowed to join the White House press corps is defeated.

A party-line vote Wednesday defeated Rep. Bennie Thompson's (D-2nd District) push to investigate the Bush administration's approval of a press pass for a conservative activist who became a daily fixture at White House press briefings.

Thompson, the House's top-ranked Democrat for homeland security, joined other leading Democrats to call for an inquiry into how James D. Guckert, an online writer with ties to pornographic Web sites, joined the exclusive White House press corps and gained access to an internal government intelligence memo.

"It's unfortunate that the House Judiciary Committee has chosen to politicize the issue of a proper vetting of the White House press corps," Thompson said through his spokesman, Lanier Avant. "Any time a substantive issue is put forth and Republicans first choose to protect the president instead of the American people, there is just cause for concern."

<</SNIP>>
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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25. It's more important to investigate baseball.
I don't understand. Must be a political thing.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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26. Just as predicted...............
we wouldn't want to shine any light on the White House's activities now, would we? :eyes: No, let's allow them to operate in complete secrecy with no oversight whatsoever. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? :shrug:

I wish this surprised me, but of course, it doesn't.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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27. The bald-faced hypocrite Republicans
Remember the Monica !
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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29. I know that this argument is brought up every time...
"if this occured on the other side of the aisle...". But it is so true!
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MotorCityMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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41. I wish I had a buck...
for every time I had that same thought (boy, if Clinton/Gore ever tried to <fill in the blank>), ever since the 2000 election.

I could retire.
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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28. Why investigate how a paid male GOP whore can get within 10 feet of the Pr
President when we have baseball players using Steroids...:puke:

When are they going to ask Arnold to testify???
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #24
30. is it any wonder why these corrupt assoles think they can do anything?
because, pretty much, they can
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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42. all we have to do is get one part in 06, just one part. the house or
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 12:50 PM by okieinpain
the senate. then have the balls to go for a little pay back, and this whole ball of string would unravel so fast it would be real funny.
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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31. nothing to see hear, move along, lookie-loos.
and stop asking questions, or get your un-merkin head busted.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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32. it's just about time for a revolution in this country ...
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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33. Should be shouted from the rooftops every time
someone tries the "liberal media" nonsense. GOP seems to have no problem with prostitutes as long as they're asking friendly questions.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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34. Why do hate America? n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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35. no surprise...check and balances are history
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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36. this should surprise no one
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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37. Sure, but what do we do about it?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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46. What do we do? FIGHT for voter verified paper ballots in every State!
If we didn't elect them, we can't throw them out! Get busy at the State level, and OUTLAW these damn fraudulent elections!

:kick::kick::kick:
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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38. Nothing to see here -- move on -- he was on "top" -- anyway
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 11:23 AM by DELUSIONAL
Nothing the bunch in the white house will be investigated.

Sex crimes -- sex. . . S E X . . . Male sex . . .

A rape on live on TV -- not even that will get investigated.

Only Clinton -- or a democrat.

The US is NOT a democracy and it probably never has been. The illusion died 12 December 2000.

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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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45. Rape On Live TV?
Did I miss something (not that it would surprise me)
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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39. We are FUCKED, and the impotent/complicit Dems refuse to fight.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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40. Why wouldn't the republicans vote for a simple inquiry?
If there's nothing to "hide", an inquiry would prove that, right?

Of course, so long as the GOP continues to tap dance over these simple things, how the hell can I trust them on the Big Issues, like War and Social Security...wait, too late for that!

Obviously, Gannon was paid, I'd also like to know if my tax dollars were involved? Wasn't that the GOP screed from Monicagate? "He did *that* in the People's House !!!"

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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43. Oh Man, I Can't Wait To Get,
the country back. We will be able to do anything we want based on the precedents these clowns are setting.

Jay
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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44. From the article:
Every committee Republican voted against Thompson's resolution of inquiry, and every Democrat present voted in favor. While the Web sites Guckert was associated with, using the pseudonym Jeff Gannon, including www.talonnews.com and www.hotmilitarystuds.com, have shut down since his identity became public, his case has sparked debate over the legitimacy of Web journal writers, or "bloggers." The first blogger was admitted to the White House press room last week.

Avant said Thompson would not abandon his concern over the Guckert controversy, and that other regulatory agencies could be employed for an investigation if congressional Republicans continued to dissent. Thompson's fellow Democrats concurred.

"This is no less serious than what my (Republican) colleagues thought the proceedings of the Clinton impeachment were for them," said Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas). "I don't believe it can be answered through (White House) self-investigation."

(its sounds like the democrats are all in line over this - this is not being investgated ONLY because the repukes don't want it to be)
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:58 AM
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84. THE REAL QUESTION: why DON'T THE REPUBS WANT TO INVESTIGATE?
That, to me, is the real issue here.
on the face of it, this should be a republican issue: security.
Since it isn't, that means ALL the republicans are in on it.
that means, there is another agenda, that they aren't saying, but they ALL buy into and agree with.

Now, it COULD just be that they want softball questions at press conferences...that's the most innocent possibility.

OR it could be more sinister: Gannon could be extorting higher ups, higher ups could be using him to extort others, including the press. OR it could be he's a CIA operative. Obviously, he has unparalled access to senstive information (shock and awe, Plame)

Since the more sinister possiblities REQUIRE bipartisan investigation because of the national security risk, and they have not been ruled out, THEREFORE the entire republican contingent, at least of this committee, ARE KNOWINGLY COMPLICIT in breaching or allowing to be breached national security.

the real question is: WHAT DO THEY KNOW?

It doesn't matter about the gay porn, it matters because the of the security risk.

This should be shouted from the rooftops: what do the republicans know?
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Blue to the bone Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:16 AM
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47. We need to keep pounding this one.....
....I personally think there's much more to this story than meets the eye.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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48. maybe Dems just ought to hire private investigators...
...when Republicans refuse to investigate these scandals. Just hire some gumshoes. The dirt is there for the finding, with no Congressional hearings necessary. Larry Flynt proved that.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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49. Excellent reporting
"an inquiry into how James D. Guckert, an online writer with ties to pornographic Web sites, joined the exclusive White House press corps and gained access to an internal government intelligence memo."

THAT is the issue, not whether bloggers are journalists or any of the other crap they are using to cover this up. This guy was there because someone who raised a lot of money for Smirk wanted him there.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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50. Why is the GOP afraid of an investigation? If there was no wrongdoing
nothing will happen.

Why not investigate?
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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51. This is proof
that they are hiding something very threatening to this administration.

I saw nothing about this on the news. It's a clear admission that the Republican Party is terrified of this story.

Is it not possible for citizens to form their own investigative committee when Congress fails to represent them? I don't know, just asking.

The fact that they are so frightened, means to me, the story should not be allowed to die. What a bunch of traitors they are, not to mention, hypocrites!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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Welcome to DU!
Even if chimp did something truly horrible like take the US into a war based on lies they wouldn't investigate him...ooops.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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52. House quashes Gannon Inquiry
Wednesday, March 16, 2005
VIDEO: House Judiciary Committee quashes Gannon inquiry
CLICK HERE and forward to the 7:22:48 mark to watch the House Judiciary committee vote down a resolution demanding the Bush Administration turn over documentation concerning how a male prostitute using a fake name was able to bypass normal security procedures to gain regular access to the White House.

Republicans voted down Democrats in the 21-10 party-line vote to ignore their constitutional responsibility in performing oversight of the Executive branch.


See also: Jeff Gannon, Johnny Gosch, Hunter Thompson, and Bohemian Grove snuff porn
http://www.total411.info/2005/03/video-house-judiciary-committee.html
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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53. Republicans are such immoral bastards
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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57. "Party Of Accountability", My Goddamn Motherfucking Ass. n/t
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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54. Surprised?
I'm sure the founding fathers are rolling over in their grave if they saw how far their handiwork has been unraveled.

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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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55. Its all in the ever elongating Congressional record of Republican
hypocrisy and shame. They just don't know how to handle all their new found power, so they simply abuse it.

Quite a spectacle.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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56. Why in blazes hasn't the himbo been arrested for solicitation?
Surely there is some prosecutor out there with a sense of humor and a hunger for a little publicity.
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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58. why condone blue laws?
Your comments supporting "arresting for solicitation" have huge ramifications. For one, you support the far-right's control-freak agenda over other people's "moral" conduct. Two, adult men or women who work in sex industry don't deserve -- and should never get -- distain from progressive voices. Three, escort websites like the one he appeared in have more than a thousand men across the country working whatever they've got to make ends meet. What the hell kind of liberal cheers-on the vice squad to prosecute consenting adults???
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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64. Interesting
You seem to condone law breaking. There is a law against prostitution, ya know. And here we have a known law breaker invited into the White House, and you wish to condone that?

This is not a matter of supporting the right, it is a matter of whether or not the very people who make and enforce the laws are able to look the other way whenever they so choose.

You may be willing to not hold those people to a higher standard, but some of us are. The prostitute needs to be arrested and tortured <grin> just like they do in gitmo, until we know the whole truth.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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67. There is no way he could be prosecuted
unless a cop saw him accept money for sex.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:41 AM
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81. Excepting the fact of government vouchers and receipts for said services
I love how accounting works, it makes everything so transparent.

Ebbers guilty of $11bn fraud
Business Standard, India - Mar 16, 2005
Faces more than 20 years in prison for accounting fraud when he is ... a landmark victory in their battle against white-collar crime when Bernie Ebbers, the former ...

Bernie Ebbers found guilty Moneycontrol.com
The rise and fall of Bernie Ebbers Cincinnati Post
Ebbers guilty on all 9 counts Arkansas Democrat-Gazette (subscription)
Sydney Morning Herald (subscription) - China Daily - all 1,289 related »
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=bernie+ebbers+%2B+prison&btnG=Search+News

I dreaming of the day when John Q Public gets to that point and forces his way to all these hidden books to force prosecutions of the rest of these crooks.

Hey, don't laugh, it could happen, just ask Bernie :eyes:
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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73. tortured?
so now some DU openly ENDORSE torture. As for breaking the law, go smoke a joint...you need it bad!
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:23 AM
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79. Can't take a joke, eh?
It's nice you are protecting this guckert fellow. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that. He needs your help, cause he's the poster boy for all that is wrong in the WH. But I have quite enough info to make a very educated guess, and that guess is they are all guilty and deserve no less than what that bunch has inflicted on so many others.

A word of advice: Don't stand in the way of justice.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:26 AM
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80. It was a humorous retort. Lighten up your own self before you go around
telling others to "go smoke a joint... you need it bad!"

Physician, heal thy own tease, over reactive self!
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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72. Solicitation is against the law
Like it or not. Many of those "consenting adults" are hiding their extra-curricular activities from their families, and bringing home std's to their wives.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:22 AM
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78. Nowhere did I say I condone blue laws! I asked why he was not being
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 10:28 AM by havocmom
treated like other violators of current laws! The laws are what they are so all should be treated equally under them. Asking that question is not an endorsement for the law, just an inquiry as to why it is enforced selectively.

As a matter of fact, I have LONG been an advocate of legalizing prostitution! Was behind that change WAY before the neocons and wingers even got close to controlling things. But there is something wrong with the fact that the guy skates and Heidi Fleiss, along with countless other female entrepreneurs go to jail for violating laws currently in existence!

Law enforcement uses tricks (pardon the pun) to secure the arrest of many involved in prostitution. Why not the same treatment for akaGannon? Tit for tat and all of that.

edited for typo
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:48 AM
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82. What I want to know...
...is what kind of liberal posts on this board only to disrupt? Oh yeah, one called "piece sine".
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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59. Don't stop talking about it.. Just because they "quashed" it
doesn't mean that EVERY time a congressperson gets in front of a camera, they cannot tie it into whatever question they are asked.. Repubes did/and do this DAILY...24/7..

I think our congress.senate needs to spend some time at the "Propaganda Proliferation Academy".. Repubes have a doctorate from that "university" and never stop putting their "education" to use.

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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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60. They can't handle the truth.
They would much rather investigate baseball. IT IS ONLY A GAME!!!

I don't think they want to find out any more about Gannon/Guckart because then they might have to open their minds that one of them, a neo-con, is having sex with him.

They could have also gotten word from the White House to drop it.
Think of how much more Clinton could have accomplished if he had been able to tell the House to "drop it."
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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62. Good point. "They would much rather investigate baseball" (eom)
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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61. If they didn't have anything to HIDE...
Obviously, they have plenty to hide.
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kcass1954 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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63. I'm willing to bet the farm...
that we won't see this reported by the CCM.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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65. Who is stopping Hillary, Kerry, Dean & Obama from talking about it on TV?
DEMS need to do somthing about this- what is Bush/media hiding?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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66. Well said and true. Why don't they? n/t
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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68. they don't because
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 02:57 AM by NIGHT TRIPPER
Dems are also cruising on the same deceptive, manipulative,corporate corruption hayride
...they're just a little more secretive about their own involvement.

The pube-ees are just "in your face" flippin you off about it when they do it!

We can't fool ourselves any more-
-there are only a handful of representatives that actually serve the interest of the people, (Boxer, and friends) but they don't stand a chance when their Dem buddies are stars in the reptilan pork barrel slime parade.

Dems too enjoy the payoffs and kickbacks from the defense contracts, oil contracts,--- (war profiteering in general).--

They throw the"fights" all the time like prize fighters.
some of these guys and gals(Landrieu) are bought sold and paid for--

The damn "Dinos" share in the profit!
They aren't about to blow any whistles!

Sick greedy bastards need to see some serious action in the streets like they did before the "invasion" and need to see some major shutdowns and strikes to shock them back into reality!
They need to be reminded who it is they actually work for.
.
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and it ain't Halliburton or Rupert Murdock
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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71. Night Tripper.....
...your summation of the political process, is dead on.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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69. Couldn't this be solved with a few FOIA requests?
It might be a bit expensive, but there's NO reason for them to deny or redact any information about Gannon (unless they claim that it is a matter of national security which, at that point, we could demand a full investigation as to WHY)
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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70. I dont want Gannon arrested
I want Bushco impeached and out. Could you even imagine if we turned all these tables to Clinton? The gay man whore alone would have been enough, not to mention illegal wars, pretend elections, and the myriad of other things we have to be so proud over.
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ausiedownunderground Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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74. To "Ignore" their constitutional Responsibility"!!!!!
in performing oversight of the Executive Branch. Don't worry American's we knew that years ago. We are "adjusting" to this serious problem. Tell Hillary to stop "bagging" the rest of us!! We like her! Did you see what she did to Greenscam!!!!!! Probably the greatest performance by a female in American History according to OZ "Independent" media. Great for American's. Hillary tells, Greenscam the truth, in front of your democratically elected "Congressional committee", but no American's know or appear to be interested. So Hillary goes to Iraq and "preaches" more WAR! America can't afford this!!! Hillary needs to realize that in 2008, which is a long way away that Being elected on "more war" against the "Rest of the World" will not work! Hillary needs to get "Economic" cred at home!!! What she did to Greenscam in the Senate was arguably the greatest economic "saviour" speech in history. Congrat's Hillary!! You've got more "Guts" than i definately thought. If Hillary ever gets elected. She must be an incredibly more "passive" leader to the "Rest of the World". The "Rest of the world" is far more likely to help America, solve world problems if it stops "killing us"!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:17 AM
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75. Doesn't this kinda indicate that they're protecting someone...
...or something (like a prostitution ring)?

Oh, if we only had Guckert's rolodex...:(
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:21 AM
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77. If this was the Clinton White House
This would be getting the kind of attention that Michael Jackson, Robert Blake and Scott Peterson are getting. There would be disgusted, holier-than-thou demands from all the pundits on getting to the bottom of this mess. Ann Coulter would be beside herself, and O'Reilly would rant about this nightly.
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 08:18 AM
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76. “Penetration of the White House.” Huh uh huh huh uhhh n/t
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 10:50 AM
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83. I Thought If You Had Nothing To Hide, There's Nothing To Fear
Isn't that what the drooling conservatives always say? So, why block the investigation if they've got nothing to hide. I mean i'm only using their logic. (Or what passes for logic.)
The Professor
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