TX: 3 dead, 1 wounded in shooting at freeway intersection (assault rifle)

[rainbow4321]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D88REESG0.html


A man with an assault rifle stood through his car's sunroof and opened fire on another vehicle at a North Dallas intersection Tuesday, killing three men and critically wounding a fourth, police said.

Authorities were searching for the gunman, whose car was described as a white or silver Jaguar.

A police officer stopped for the light at the intersection witnessed the shootings and stopped to help when the second car crashed next to a former Mrs Baird's Bread factory, police Sgt. Gil Cerda said.

No motive has been determined, but the shooting came soon after a fight was reported at a nearby bar. A car reported at the bar resembled the one from which the shots were fired, Cerda said.

[tanyev]

1. Bad karma at the future location of the GWB library?

[saigon68]

42. Rival crack dealers shoot it out

Happens all the time.

Just look at the drug Lords in Kabul, where the Mayor of Kabul is on the U.S. Dole.

[DuaneBidoux]

66. I think it's called good karma if you're Bush. It means you're bringing

the advantages of American Democracy to those lawless Dallas intersections.

[Ilsa]

72. Damnation. That would be right next door, wouldn't it!

If the Library goes there of course. I'm betting that Baylor will take it though.

[booksenkatz]

2. I always thought that people who drive Jags

must not have a care in the world. Shows how wrong I've been.

[rainbow4321]

4. We're turning into the friggin' Wild West....

http://www.nbc5i.com/traffic/4281777/detail.html

Dallas police are looking for a gunman after a man is shot on a Dallas highway over the weekend. The shooting took place Saturday afternoon on Interstate 30 near Cockrell Hill.

Investigators said they are looking for a light blue Ford Mustang convertible. Someone inside the Mustang fired a shot into another car.

The bullet struck the driver of that car in the neck. Police said the victim was able to pull over and call 911.

The shooting victim was treated at a Dallas hospital and has been released.

[mhr]

5. Despite The Veneer Of Gentility - Dallas Is A Very Hostile City

It is a town of forced separation and segregation. Since there are few natural barriers (its flat) gated and fenced communities are used to segregate the classes making the wealth differences obvious to all.

Add to this the fact that Dallas has fewer employed people today than at the beginning of January 2000, you have an explosive combination of class warfare, religious antagonism, and unemployed people.

[raccoon]

51. Sounds like the shape of things to come nt

[bobthedrummer]

32. 16 citizens shot dead in just 4 incidents recently

Chicago, Atlanta, Brookfield and now Dallas.

Victims include a judge, another judge's spouse and mother, an "end times" preacher and his son as well as worshippers in a Sheraton hotel room...

It's like a Philip K. Dick world now.

[tx_dem41]

34. Self delete

Self delete

[primavera]

40. Thank God free access to guns is making us so much safer!

Why, imagine the terror we'd feel if all of these "responsible" citizens weren't armed to the teeth!

[DoNotRefill]

47. Yessir, crack dealers are renowned for obeying the law...

be it the drug laws, the gun laws, or the murder laws...

[primavera]

49. What crack dealers?

This article makes no mention of any crack dealer, just some ordinary citizen who probably bought his gun legally.

[tx_dem41]

50. We'll learn more about the story soon enough.

I'm withholding judgment in either direction until then.

[The Straight Story]

52. It is against the law to kill someone too - but did that stop this crime?

(n/t)

[primavera]

53. No, but not having a gun with which to carry it out surely would have

n/t

[tx_dem41]

55. Umm...I think you missed the point of the poster's statement.

n/t

[DoNotRefill]

56. if the guy didn't care about breaking the law against murder....

what on earth makes you think he'd care about breaking the law about illegally possessing a gun?

[The Straight Story]

71. So they would have obeyed the law not to have a gun?

While ignoring the law not to kill others?

[slackmaster]

57. Men who drive Jags just want a hand job

From a woman they barely know.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0099316/

[Braden]

75. Sony

Boney

[mhr]

3. Happened Near SMU - Maybe The Methodists Have Embedded Fundies

Anyway, here we go again!

[rocktivity]

6. Well, let's hope it was nothing more than a bar fight gone bad

and not a reprise of those DC area highway killings. A white or silver Jaguar should be relatively easy to spot, though.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Betsy Ross]

7. And leave us not forget

the four-year old Texan that shot his baby brother with the gun he found in his mother's purse. Ain't easy gun ownership grand.

[bobthedrummer]

Yeah, good point, Betsy Ross.

And some 1st grader took a Glock 9mm to school somewhere last week as well as another child that had a .38 confiscated in the USA. We're really safe today here in HOMELAND.

[RetroLounge]

60. Well if all the other kids had their GLocks too

we'd be fine...

Conceal and Carry, with new Pampers with a Holster...

RL

[Danmel]

64. That's a great idea!

Wonder why no one's thought of it before. Diaper bags with gun holsters too. School backpacks...the possilbilities are endless.

This is one f'd up country.

[anarchy1999]

8. "Next to a former Mrs Baird's Bread factory"? WTF?? That has to

be Mockingbird and I45, better known as Central Expwy. This is in Highland Park, a few blocks away from SMU and Highland Park Methodist Church. "A police officer stopped for the light at the intersection witnessed the shootings and stopped to help....?"

Did the police officer fail to get the license number off the Jag?

This isn't adding up and I've yet to check in with local news, but I will soon, maybe. I'm not sure I even want to know more.

on edit:
At least San Antonio is on top of the situation.

[tx_dem41]

21. Central Exwy is State Hwy 75 not I-45.

I live about 15 blocks from the scene of the occurrence. The bar they were at was on Yale (Jack's Pub) about a half block on the other side of Central from SMU/Highland Park.

[anarchy1999]

28. Technically you may be correct, but when my family moved to Dallas

in 1969, I45 and 75 were the same and still are. I45 ends just south of downtown and picks up again in Collin or next county ands continues on North.


The Bookstore
The bookstore is at Northpark Mall. If you're travelling north on 75/Central Expressway (this is what I45 becomes north of downtown), exit and turn left on Northwest highway. The mall is immediately on your right. The bookstore was not in the main mall building, but in one of the satellite buildings out by the street. If you notice in the movie, the door has J-1500 above it.

NOTE: the bookstore has been closed since 2000 or longer.

http://www.failure.net/tours/brtour.htm

also see here:



http://www.okroads.com/stexas/i45.html

[tx_dem41]

33. Ummm...no, I-45 ends in Dallas.

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=M7tNO.p_0TqT&csz=Dallas%2C+TX&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

Do a zoom-out on the map that comes up in this link.

[rainbow4321]

39. And the article was kinda crappy w/ the location explanation....

And since when is the University Park/Highland Park/Bairds Bread considered NORTH Dallas??? Granted we are not very original w/ naming areas of the city <for nonlocals: there's North Dallas, Far North Dallas, East Dallas, Far East Dallas> but I always picture North Dallas as being north of/outside of the 635 loop.

[tx_dem41]

41. That's Far North Dallas to me.

North Dallas is a little more nebulous. North Dallas to me is anything north of downtown up to 635. Its more a general geographical reference than a neighborhood reference. Also, remember that the frontage/access road that this happened on IS the extreme eastern border of University Park.

[anarchy1999]

44. A very long time ago, this area was considered to be "North Dallas".

I once had a book about the history of Dallas written by a woman who grew up in early Dallas. Highland Park/University Park was the 1st suburb of Dallas for the rich and the famous so they didn't have to live in the "ugliness of downtown". Turtle Creek was part of the development. Dallas does have a rich history, hardly anyone knows.

[tx_dem41]

48. Remember that North Dallas High School...

is on Haskell, just east of Oak Lawn.

http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/tx/1874/

[6000eliot]

9. Do freeways have intersections?

[anarchy1999]

10. Yes, freeways in Texas have intersections at on and off ramps.

Mockingbird and Central IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION in Dallas.

The bread factory used to be there and you could smell the bread even if you were on the freeway.

[BlueCollar]

11. in Texas

any stretch of paved road is driven on as fast as if you were on a freeway...

[bmbmd]

20. The shooting was on the access road.

Our freeways have access roads.

[underpants]

12. Ignore

See below

[emad]

13. Dallas Gunman Kills 3 From Car Sunroof

Guardian

Tuesday March 15, 2005 3:46 PM


DALLAS (AP) - A man in a Jaguar stood up through the sunroof and opened fire with an assault rifle on another vehicle early Tuesday, killing three men and critically wounding a fourth, police said.

Authorities were searching for the gunman, whose car was described as a white or silver Jaguar with fancy wheels, said Cpl. Max Geron, a Dallas police spokesman.

The shootings happened about 2 a.m. on a highway frontage road near the Southern Methodist University campus.

A police officer waiting at a traffic light at the intersection witnessed the shootings and stopped to help when the second car crashed, police Sgt. Gil Cerda said. Police policy prohibited the officer from pursuing the fleeing vehicle because he already had a prisoner from an unrelated case in his back seat, Geron said.

No motive has been determined, but the shooting happened soon after a fight was reported at a nearby bar. A car reported at the bar resembled the one from which the shots were fired, Geron said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4866825,00.html

[underpants]

14. ................................................sunroofs kill people

Just to get that out of the way

[slackmaster]

16. I'll bet it was really the "fancy wheels'" fault

Heaven forbid he put spinners on a Jag.

[anarchy1999]

15. Dupe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1313256

[ElectroPrincess]

17. We can thank the Republican Congress if he was using a banana clip. eom

[NickB79]

23. "Banana Clips" were always legal to buy

While the AWB was in effect, I bought several high-capacity magazines for my 10/22 rifle. All the AWB did was make it illegal for manufacturers to sell new-production magazines; there were already millions of 20-40 rd magazines produced and in circulation before the ban went into effect, and they were always legal to sell.

[ElectroPrincess]

54. Thanks, I stand corrected.

[anarchy1999]

18. Dallas Morning News online......

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/wfaa050315_wz_roadrage.13d8d38cc.html

DMN requires registration so if link does not work go to www.bugmenot.com

A Jag, at Mockingbird and Central at 2:00am, Highland Park, someone well connected is going down or will get away? This is going to get ugly.

You just have to love Dallas to stay here and/or you are just not wealthy enough yet to leave this god forsaken wasteland of Christian Fundamentalism.

[tx_dem41]

22. Jags aren't owned by "well-connected" people for the most part.

They are so unreliable, used Jags are showing up in the hands of not so "well-connected" people these days.

[anarchy1999]

19. Why hasn't this news made it to CNN yet? Damn.

Isn't this as sensational as all the other violence happening in Wiconsin and Georgia?

Hmmm... once again, I can't wait to see who the Jag belongs to.

Corruption in Dallas is rampant, since it's founding. BELO, DMN, Dallas Police Department, Highland Park Police (really bad asses), where are you?

[rainbow4321]

27. DMN: Victims' names, officer not allowed to pursue shooter

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/wfaa050315_wz_roadrage.13d8d38cc.html


Three of the victims were dead at the scene. They are Eddie Pech, 36; Bernardo Andrade, 21; and Favio Andrade, 19, all of Dallas, Dallas police Sgt. Max Geron said. Their relationships were not known. The fourth was rushed to Baylor University Medical center. He was in critical condition, Geron said.

Police policy prohibited the officer from pursuing the fleeing vehicle because he already had a prisoner from an unrelated case in his back seat, Geron said.

The car with the gunman was described as a late-model white Jaguar with flashy rims. The driver is believed to have two accomplices with him, police said.

“The offense occurred in the city of University Park, so they certainly have jurisdiction on that. How given their manpower … they were certainly overwhelmed by the gravity of the crime,” he said. “The whole crime scene was pretty big so we off any assistance we could.”



On edit: The news clip from Ch 8 that is with the article said that it is believed the men in the shooter's car were 2 Hispanic men.

[anarchy1999]

29. Very lame. "given the manpower they were overwhelmed". LMAO!

Anyone know anything at all about University/Highland Park Police? I do, they were not overwhelmed.

[rainbow4321]

31. Probably more likely: "Ah, it's only a group of Hispanics....

send it to the Dallas cops...besides, we have no one that speaks Spanish well enough to interview everyone involved/witnesses".

[tx_dem41]

35. Hispanics?

I'm not sure those victims' names are Hispanics. If they were coming from Jack's Pub, I doubt they were Hispanic anyway.

[rainbow4321]

61. Supposedly, the pub attracts a different group on Monday nights

With any luck, maybe the shooter was known to this Monday night group and can be found soon.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D88RJM302.html

Turiace and others said Jack's Pub is normally a safe, friendly place that hosts festivals and volleyball games and attracts a college crowd from SMU.

But the clientele shifts a bit on Monday nights, when the business advertises $2 drinks, a packed dance floor thumping with two DJs and a time so good "You won't believe it's not Saturday," according to the pub's Web site.

The pub's owners, two brothers who also operate an upscale restaurant in Dallas, did not return messages left by The Associate Press at the pub, their homes and the restaurant.

"Apparently, there was a dispute on the dance floor in which somebody got hit or punched," said Turiace, 35. "The guy just got angry and decided to pursue it. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary that would lead to this. I guess certain people have it in their minds that this is their type of proper justice," Turiace said. "That really scares me."

[anarchy1999]

62. I swear to you all this is all so LAME! If they wanted to solve this, it

would have already happened. An officer was prohibited from pursuing because he had someone in the back seat. Give me a break! UP/HP Police are notorious in Dallas for being extremely HARD ASS.

Personal experience going back to 1975, and I don't think they've gone soft. Dallas Police back up? Where were they? 2:00am on Dallas streets they are everywhere, especially in this area of the city. Lots of bars, students and potential DUI's. I'm not buying this "story".

[tx_dem41]

63. If you read the story...

it was the DPD police officer that was transporting the person in his back seat. That's a fairly wide-known policy by the way. The police I know (DPD) follow it. I don't think the HP/UP police showed up until later. Realize, that just south of that intersection is the southbound on-ramp to Central. I'm sure the Jag took it and was able to disappear quite quickly.

[anarchy1999]

67. I guess that makes it all okay for you.

By the way, how long have you been in Dallas? Just curious, and I'm sure you are right. Zip right onto Southbound Central and away we go. BS@!

[tx_dem41]

68. At 2AM in the morning, even Central is clear of traffic...

I drive it quite frequently going northbound getting on at Knox-Henderson shortly after 2AM.

I have lived here for 17 (almost 18) years. South of Mockingbird, you have two exits you could take and then either get on I-45, dump into downtown or Deep Ellum or split off on Woodall Rogers where you can go north or south on I-35E. From there you can get on I-30 if you go south or 114 if you go north. All of these choices you can accomplish within 5 mins of entering Central at Mockingbird. The police couldn't cover all these choices that quickly.

[anarchy1999]

70. You are really testing me and I'm just not going to respond to you.

You obviously know far more than I do about Dallas. Good luck.

But, I will add DPD could have responded far more quickly than they apparently did. As well as the HP/UP Police force and all their helicopters as well. This was an easy one. "They" let it go. Why?

on edit:

Wake up tx_dem41.

I think you might have missed a couple of freeways. I30, I20/Texas80, I must be confused.

[tx_dem41]

73. UP/HP probably has 3 cars covering all of the Park Cities that time..

of night and this happened on the very edge (in fact SE corner) of the Park Cities. The main police dept. headquarters for HP/UP is about 2 miles away through winding, narrow residential streets except for at the end where you get on Mockingbird. By that time, the car could be anywhere from 5-10 miles away.

As for a helicopter, I'm pretty sure the helicopter pad is aways away too. By the time the helicopter is up in the air, they probably would have a 8x8mile (or 64 square mile) area to cover for a search. Two minutes later that's a 100 square mile area.

Quite frankly, I don't see where your beef is with HP/UP (and I have received nit-picky tickets from them so I'm not a fan of the dept). The crime scene is about 10 feet from being in Dallas (the altercation earlier at Jack's Pub happened in Dallas). But, the shooting happened about 30-50 yds from the on-ramp to Central and from there, as I've pointed out, its easy to disappear in a matter of a few minutes.

What am I supposed to wake up about? You keep intimating that their is some agenda being played out. Can you actually just come out and state it?

Oh, and its "tx_dem41", not "tex_dem41".

[anarchy1999]

74. I said no more and I meant it.

See ya, bye and sorry for getting your handle wrong, Tex.

[rainbow4321]

76. They found and impounded the Jag today

Looks like they found it in the Grove...
The injured victim was a minor--interesting since the Monday night gatherings at this club are supposed to be for 18 and older. The news profiled a couple of the victims tonight. One had twin babies, another was a restaurant worker. Monday was the club's night for service and restaurant workers...$2 drinks, club's cover charge waived, etc...


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/031605dnmetcentralshooting.647ba.html


About 9 a.m., police found the Jaguar suspected in the shooting at Belgrade Avenue near Parkdale Park in Pleasant Grove. Dallas police were interviewing the victim of an earlier bar fight and another man Tuesday evening, but no arrests had been made.

Police did not find a gun in the Jaguar impounded from the Pleasant Grove home but are conducting forensic tests.

[slackmaster]

30. "Flashy rims"

Oh PLEASE don't let them be spinners.

[saracat]

24. Isn't this the third major shooting in days? Yeah , we need

less gun control and more guns!

[Sugarbleus]

25. And they just keep wigging out.......Film at 11 eom

[Zerex71]

26. Hey, let's keep the assault ban ineffective!

We just don't have enough shootings these days in the new Bush War Culture(TM).

[moondust]

36. "Don't mess with Texas."

In fact, don't even go near it if you value your life.

[tx_dem41]

38. Live 20 blocks or so from the crime scene for the last 17 years...

Lived in Texas for 24 years. Haven't been a victim of crime yet. Oh well, so much for some DUer's stereotypes.

[anarchy1999]

59. Or your sanity.

This city is sick, really, really sick and it embodies all that is wrong in this country. Sorry and God knows, I do love Dallas. It has just quite simply gone to hell.

[Brooklyn Michael]

37. If only....

If only the people in the other car were all carrying concealed weapons, we coulda had us a real Texas "discussion"....yeeeeee-haaaa!

[KamaAina]

43. Remember, guns don't kill people, assault rifles kill people.

Bang! Bang! Blam! :nuke:

[primavera]

46. Alternatively...

[DoNotRefill]

65. Or the third alternative...

Guns don't kill people, assholes with guns kill people.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

45. There was a shooting on I-4 in central FL just this weekend,

but no one was injured, amazingly.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-locrage13031305mar13,1,5848624.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

[Blue_Tires]

58. one of the Dallas Cowboys having a dull offseason???

lol

[Bo]

69. Iraqi karma hits home

Nice month of March we have been having....