Limits on military recruiting proposed

[True_Blue]

A federal bill that shields high school students from military recruiters is gaining both local and national support.

U.S. Rep. Mike Honda, D-San Jose, introduced the bill, called the Student Privacy Protection Act of 2005, last month in the House of Representatives.

"While I support the right of the armed services to recruit high school students, I don’t believe successful military recruitment efforts require access to students’ personal information without their consent," Honda said. "The right to divulge or not divulge personal information about minors should remain with the students and their parents."

The bill amends the controversial No Child Left Behind Act, which requires schools receiving federal money to release student contact information to recruiters.

more....
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2005/March/13/local/stories/04local.htm

[ashmanonar]

1. GOOD.

we don't need recruiters in our high schools. stealing these kids before they have a chance to see anything else in the world. assholes.

[eaprez]

2. A saw the leeches in the mall Friday...

...I work in a large office building which is connected to a downtown mall. So, I park in the mall parking deck and walk through the mall to and from work each day and spend lunch hours in the mall some days either shopping or eating. Friday there was no school in some districts so at lunch the mall was filled with teens.....I was sitting eating a sandwhich on Friday watching the people...and then I saw them. Two army guys in their dress uniforms trolling for teens in the mall. First time I ever saw it other than in Michael Moore's movie. I walked up to them and said "You know, I'm a ten year veteran of the Air Force and I think what you guys are doing is despicable". I am all for the bill mentioned in this post and I think to go one step further recruiters should be prohibited from taking information from (name, phone #) or giving information to kids under the age of 18 without their parents PRESENT.

[HockeyMom]

3. Already in effect

A few years ago the parents of some NYC students sued. The result was a kind of Do Not Call list which the parent of a child under 18 can sign, give to the school, and their name, address, or phone number CANNOT be given to a military recruiter. I don't know if this applies just to New York or nation wide. However, if the student is 18 or over, nothing can be done, barring the student themselves telling the recruiter to go take a hike.

[JohnnyRingo]

5. I believe the recent "Leave No Child Behind Act" changed this.

The states still have the option to set their own policies, but they waver funding from LNCB by doing so.

Just like the highway bill withholds money to states that didn't conform to the national speed limit, DUI standards, or more recently, seat belt requirements.

Federal funding has always been a tool for state control.

Maybe NYs "do not call" list excepts this, but federal control loopholes are rare to come by.

[eaprez]

11. Well the recruiters in the mall weren't aware of the age limitations!!!

[JohnnyRingo]

4. Honda appeared on Hannity and Colmes last week to discuss privacy

on school campus.

He did a better than expected job of handling attack dog Hannity, who kept pounding him for an admission of being anti-war. (That's a moral sin in Sean's world).

Here's an excerpt from "NewsHounds" (well worth the read):

Is There A Campaign Brewing To Blame Democrats For The Draft?

Mike Honda introduced the Student Privacy Protection Act last month in Congress and visited H&C on March 9th supposedly to talk about it but he was the victim of a hostile and well orchestrated gang up by Hannity and Candace Miller,R. preventing Honda from sharing the facts.Fortunatly, Colmes worked quickly to shed some light on the situation but there was evidence that Hannity had plans to use Honda to support his own agenda.

Hannity, avoiding the title of Honda's legislation, claimed that he was trying to keep military recruiters away from High Schools.He opened the interview with a nasty tirade claiming that Honda showed a lack of respect for the military and was trying to make it harder to recruit the essential number of troops.

<entire article here:
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/03/11/is_there_a_campaign_brewing_to_blame_democrats_for_the_draft.php#more

[LiberalFighter]

21. Lack of respect for the military??

Honda should had responded with the recruiters have a lack of respect for the students and for the parents. In addition, were being anti-family by subverting the role of the parents.

[Career Prole]

6. I foresee a lucrative opportunity in service to the King for

the Young Repuglicans...the time-honored press gang, and I don't mean by that a horde of JimmyJeffs staring up adoringly at Scotty McLellan. :eyes:

"The organisation at the ports charged with obtaining seamen was known as the Impress Service. The Impress service was limited to seizing men who were seamen, a word given a broad interpretation. The age limits were set at 18 to 55 years of age, frequently these limits were ignored. The word 'press' itself was a corruption, in regular use at the end of the Eighteenth Century, of the word prest. It came from the old French prest which was a loan or advance. A man paid the Kings shilling to enlist became an imprest or prest man.

The Impress Service covered every port in Great Britain. Each major port had a captain in charge, while smaller ports had a lieutenant. These officers were rarely seagoing men, and often this was the only alternative to being on half pay. The senior officer was known as the Regulating Officer, and the headquarters chosen was called the Rendezvous. Having set up the Rendezvous, the Regulating officer would then hire some of the local hard men as 'gangers', to form the Press Gang (on land the press gang was rarely formed by sailors).

Being one of the gangers was perhaps the only sure fire way of not being pressed. The Gang was then sent out and roamed the surrounding countryside in search of suitable recruits.The gang were paid money for travel, 3d per mile for officers 1d for men, and money per man pressed, anything up to 10 shillings. The scope for corruption was large, many men would bribe their way out of the gangs clutches, for a prosperous man a £10 bribe to the press gang was a small price to pay for his continued liberty."

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[LeftyMom]

8. They can (and do) sign thier papers before then

I know the recruiters started harassing me well before I was eighteen, because they wanted more girls and I had good test scores. Many of my classmates signed up before they were eighteen, which was called deferred enlistment or something like that.

May whatever deity is up to the challenge bless the whole world, we all need it these days.

[cascadiance]

9. Wingnuts think of military recruiting like recruiting athletes...

Even though athletes cannot go to college until later, they want to "lock them in" to a team as early as they can in high school. Since many of these rethugs don't think of "winning" these wars much differently as they think of "winning" a football game, it's not too hard to see why they don't want to take the same approach to getting their young "heroes" signed on for battle as soon as possible.

[K8-EEE]

10. So What Would This Bill Change?

Your kids wouldn't be going military if this bill was in force? What is your problem with it exactly? And who is telling you not to be proud of your kids? You can always tell a visiting RWer by their waaaah persecution complex!

The soldiers need all the blessing they can get with these maniac chickenhawks in charge, that's for sure.

[eaprez]

12. The issue is that kids are easily influenced and there should be someone

present when these folks talk to minors who will ask pertinent questions, challenge what is being said/promised, etc. You are entitled to your opinion of the relationship between recruiters and minors -- I don't want them talking to my son without ME there to point out fact from fiction when the information is being presented and processed.

[DeaconBlues]

13. I signed up when I was 16 (with the permission of my mother)

and was in basic training when I was 17. People can definitely enlist before they are 18, as long as their parents are okay with it.

[Walt Starr]

14. I signed my enlistment papers when I was 17

So that blows your argument out of the water.

[LifeDuringWartime]

15. so at 17,

you can sign up for the military but not yet vote. i see how this works.

[MADem]

18. And you can't have a beer at the baaah before you ship out, either n/t

[IndianaGreen]

16. "God Bless our SOLDIERS!" I don't think so!

Osama bin Laden begs God to bless his warriors, as does Bush. All of these blessings from a mythical being results only in the deaths of countless innocent civilians.

West Point? How would you feel when your son returns dead or maimed from some oil war? Your sons will do themselves a big favor if they attend an educational institution that is not part of the military machine, and dedicate their lives to improving the human condition instead of destroying it!

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[MADem]

17. 17 with a parental consent form n/t

[trogdor]

20. Good for them.

Just know that they will be asked to fight in OPTIONAL, DISCRETIONARY, and entirely UNNECESSARY wars of caprice for causes that have nothing whatsoever to do with defending this country. Zero. Bupkes. If that's OK with them, then more power to them.

OTOH, I would not be so quick to express pride in anyone who knowingly enters into such a situation. It's one thing to have joined up in good faith because you love your country and what it stands for and then get sent to fight Bush's stupid War of Caprice; it's quite another to already know we're fighting in a stupid War of Caprice, and volunteer to lend a hand. To me, that would be the absolute height of foolishness.

My head would explode if my son were to come home one day grinning from ear to ear because he just joined the goddam Army under the current circumstances - because I raised him better than that. I would be asking him if he had lost his mind.

[LiberalFighter]

22. Gee... only 6 posts... and nothing in your profile

It may not be what someone says but what happens to your sons and whether you truly can justify their injury or death.

[despairing optimist]

19. Another nail in the all-volunteer army's coffin

The armed forces are missing their recruitment goals without this bill becoming law. It's not hard to see where this is going if US foreign policy isn't radically changed soon.

The bill sort of draws a line in the sand: Either rethink foreign policy and redeploy current forces prudently, or reinstate a draft to provide the manpower needed to back militaristic policies realistically.

I hope the first alternative wins out, but I'm not so confident that it will.

[paineinthearse]

25. H. R. 551

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 551
To amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to direct local educational agencies to release secondary school student information to military recruiters if the student's parent provides written consent for the release, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 2, 2005
Mr. HONDA introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Education and the Workforce



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A BILL
To amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to direct local educational agencies to release secondary school student information to military recruiters if the student's parent provides written consent for the release, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Student Privacy Protection Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. ACCESS BY MILITARY RECRUITERS TO SECONDARY SCHOOL STUDENT INFORMATION.

(a) Amendments- Section 9528 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 7908) is amended--

(1) by redesignating subsections (a) through (d) as subsections (b) through (e), respectively;

(2) by inserting before subsection (b) (as so redesignated) the following:

`(a) Military Recruiters-

`(1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION- Notwithstanding section 503(c) of title 10, United States Code, each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters, access to the name, address, and telephone listing of each secondary student served by the agency if the parent of the student involved has provided written consent to the agency for the release of such information to military recruiters.

`(2) NOTICE; OPPORTUNITY TO CONSENT- A local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall--

`(A) notify the parent of each secondary school student served by the agency of the option to consent to the release of the student's name, address, and telephone listing to military recruiters; and

`(B) give the parent an opportunity to provide such consent in writing.';

(3) in subsection (b) (as so redesignated)--

(A) by striking `Policy- ' and inserting `Institutions of Higher Education- '; and

(B) in paragraph (1), by striking `military recruiters or'; and

(4) by transferring paragraph (3) of subsection (b) (as so redesignated) from the end of such subsection to the end of subsection (a) (as added by paragraph (2)).

(b) Application- The amendments made by this Act apply only with respect to school years beginning after the date of the enactment of this Act.

END

[RoeBear]

26. The bill will go nowhere

and rightly so.

Just teach your kids to say no, if you are so inclined.

But don't be so quick to dismiss the service as a career.

[rocktivity]

27. I have no objection to a recruiter visiting a school

to make a speech, be part of a career day, or even set up a table in the cafeteria. But if a student's personal info is off limits to other employers, it should be to them as well.

:headbang:
rocknation

[RoeBear]

30. Sounds fair...

...to me.

[VegasWolf]

28. I have no objections to them recruiting in Christian churches. n/t

[cascadiance]

29. I still like the idea of leaving recruiting brochures on cars/trucks....

with W stickers or some other obnoxious right wing paraphenalia telling the rest of us aren't patriotic if we are democrats or don't support Dubya in his misadventures...

If they get enough of them on their vehicles, perhaps they'll get the message on the age old mantra of "Practice what you preach".