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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 10:56 PM
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WP: Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions
Suspects Possibly Taken To Nations That Torture

Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page A01

MILAN -- A radical Egyptian cleric known as Abu Omar was walking to a Milan mosque for noon prayers in February 2003 when he was grabbed on the sidewalk by two men, sprayed in the face with chemicals and stuffed into a van. He hasn't been seen since.

Milan investigators, however, now appear to be close to identifying his kidnappers. Last month, officials showed up at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy and demanded records of any American planes that had flown into or out of the joint U.S.-Italian military installation around the time of the abduction. They also asked for logs of vehicles that had entered the base.

Italian authorities suspect the Egyptian was the target of a CIA-sponsored operation known as rendition, in which terrorism suspects are forcibly taken for interrogation to countries where torture is practiced.

The Italian probe is one of three official investigations that have surfaced in the past year into renditions believed to have taken place in Western Europe. Although the CIA usually carries out the operations with the help or blessing of friendly local intelligence agencies, law enforcement authorities in Italy, Germany and Sweden are examining whether U.S. agents may have broken local laws by detaining terrorist suspects on European soil and subjecting them to abuse or maltreatment.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30275-2005Mar12.html
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:25 PM
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1. How far up the chain can the Europeans go in holding US
officials responsible?

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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 11:45 PM
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2. I Hope That The Europe Which Has Known The Horrors..
Of Human Rights Abuses And Wickedness Will Rise To This Occasion By Disallowing Its Territories To Succumb In Appeasing A Brutal And Excuse Making Land Grabbing Empire Builder.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:50 AM
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3. Kick
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:50 AM
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4. WP - Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions
Edited on Sun Mar-13-05 02:55 AM by paineinthearse
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30275-2005Mar12.html?sub=AR

Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions
Suspects Possibly Taken To Nations That Torture
By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page A01

MILAN -- A radical Egyptian cleric known as Abu Omar was walking to a Milan mosque for noon prayers in February 2003 when he was grabbed on the sidewalk by two men, sprayed in the face with chemicals and stuffed into a van. He hasn't been seen since. Milan investigators, however, now appear to be close to identifying his kidnappers. Last month, officials showed up at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy and demanded records of any American planes that had flown into or out of the joint U.S.-Italian military installation around the time of the abduction. They also asked for logs of vehicles that had entered the base.

Italian authorities suspect the Egyptian was the target of a CIA-sponsored operation known as rendition, in which terrorism suspects are forcibly taken for interrogation to countries where torture is practiced. The Italian probe is one of three official investigations that have surfaced in the past year into renditions believed to have taken place in Western Europe. Although the CIA usually carries out the operations with the help or blessing of friendly local intelligence agencies, law enforcement authorities in Italy, Germany and Sweden are examining whether U.S. agents may have broken local laws by detaining terrorist suspects on European soil and subjecting them to abuse or maltreatment.

The CIA has kept details of rendition cases a closely guarded secret, but has defended the controversial practice as an effective and legal way to prevent terrorism. Intelligence officials have testified that they have relied on the tactic with greater frequency since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The Bush administration has received backing for renditions from governments that have been criticized for their human rights records, including Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan, where many of the suspects are taken for interrogation. But the administration is getting a much different reception in Europe, where lawmakers and prosecutors are questioning whether the practice is a blatant violation of local sovereignty and human rights.

There are many practical and legal hurdles to filing criminal charges against U.S. agents, including the question of whether they are protected by diplomatic immunity and the matter of determining their identity. However, prosecutors in Italy and Germany have not ruled out criminal charges. At the same time, the European investigations are producing new revelations about the suspected U.S. involvement in the disappearances of four men, not including the Egyptian, each of whom claims they were physically abused and later tortured. In Germany, a 41-year-old man, Khaled Masri, has told authorities that he was locked up during a vacation in the Balkans and flown to Kabul, Afghanistan in January 2004, where he was held as a suspected terrorist for four months. He said that only after his captors realized he was not the al Qaeda suspect they were looking for did they take him back to the Balkans and dump him on a hillside along the Albanian border. He recalled his captors spoke English with an American accent. German prosecutors, after several months of scrutinizing his account, have confirmed several key parts of his story and are investigating it as a kidnapping.


Very long article.....much more......!!!!!

Staff researcher Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.

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Enquiringkitty Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:50 AM
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5. Oooops! The CIA crossed their legs and the Italians saw their tu-tus
I wouldn't doubt it. The present administrations tactics of the ends justify the means kind of government would explain this abduction away by saying it was in the best interest of our security and that the man had WMD in his bathroom medicine cabinet just waiting for Bush to need a shave.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 05:50 AM
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6. Rendition? Abduction? I thought *ush was supposed to be a plain ...
spoken, forthright, upfront kinda man that didn't speak in doubletalk? It's KIDNAPPING! Good for 'old europe' - now, bring it on home. Charges, all around. Right here, right now!
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 09:26 AM
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7. Europe Questions CIA 'Renditions'
Europe questions CIA 'renditions'


Sunday 13 March 2005, 10:47 Makka Time, 7:47 GMT  


European countries are examining whether CIA detention of suspects on their territories is a violation of their sovereignty and human rights.

In its Sunday editions, The Washington Post said the CIA usually detains suspected terrorists on European soil with the help or blessing of friendly local intelligence agencies and takes them to other countries where torture is practiced.

The paper added that authorities in Italy, Germany and Sweden were investigating whether CIA agents broke local laws by carrying out so-called rendition operations.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CFF1D193-D331-47F7-B426-FAB23951549F.htm
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:13 AM
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8. We can only hope that the Europeans will be able to do
what has not been possible for Americans to do: EXPOSE THESE CRIMINALS!!
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:17 AM
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9. Europeans may sue CIA

March 14, 2005
Three European countries are investigating whether CIA agents broke the nations' laws by forcibly detaining suspected terrorists on their soil before transferring them to other countries where torture is practised.

The CIA usually carries out such "rendition" operations with the co-operation of local intelligence agencies, but authorities in Italy, Germany and Sweden are questioning whether the practice is a violation of their sovereignty and human rights.

The CIA has kept details of such cases secret but has defended the controversial practice as an effective and legal way to prevent terrorism.

The Europeans may face many practical and legal hurdles to filing criminal charges against US agents, but prosecutors in Italy and Germany have not ruled out criminal charges.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Europeans-may-sue-CIA/2005/03/13/1110649061292.html?oneclick=true
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 10:17 AM
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10. Hopefully "Old" Europe can get together and esxpose the
American government for what it really is! * CRIME FAMILY!!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:08 AM
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11. kick to combine
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:08 AM
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12. WP: Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 01:16 AM by understandinglife
Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions
Suspects Possibly Taken To Nations That Torture


By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, March 13, 2005; Page A01

MILAN -- A radical Egyptian cleric known as Abu Omar was walking to a Milan mosque for noon prayers in February 2003 when he was grabbed on the sidewalk by two men, sprayed in the face with chemicals and stuffed into a van. He hasn't been seen since.

Milan investigators, however, now appear to be close to identifying his kidnappers. Last month, officials showed up at Aviano Air Base in northern Italy and demanded records of any American planes that had flown into or out of the joint U.S.-Italian military installation around the time of the abduction. They also asked for logs of vehicles that had entered the base.

(more at link):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30275-2005Mar12.html


Peace.

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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 06:59 AM
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13. Good Article
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:18 AM
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14. Imagine the outrage if US radical clerics were abducted by the EU
Falwell, Dobson, etc.

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