Rice: US Not Seeking Confrontation With Venezuela's Chavez (PUKE ALERT)

[Say_What]

US propaganda spun right out of the state department. Some good quotes by NY Rep. Serrano, however. CondiLIESa whines on and on about Fidel in congressional testimony. :eyes:

Condi is headed to LatAm, I just know she'll receive a very warm welcome--NOT!!

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Rice: US Not Seeking Confrontation With Venezuela's Chavez

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice Wednesday said the Bush administration does not want to have a bad relationship with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. But in congressional testimony, Ms. Rice said U.S. officials are concerned about whether Mr. Chavez intends to govern democratically, and about his relationship with Cuba's President Fidel Castro.

Ms. Rice's appearance before the House Appropriations Committee came on the eve of her first trip to Latin America as secretary, a one-day visit to Mexico. And the issue of the Bush administration's chilly relationship with the Venezuelan leader figured prominently in the two-hour hearing, nominally about the coming year's State Department budget.

House Democrat Jose Serrano of New York said given the fact that Mr. Chavez has twice been elected president, and won a recall referendum last August, it might be wiser to embrace him as a democratic leader rather than continue a verbal confrontation with him.

Ms. Rice said the administration respects the democratic process in Venezuela, but that Mr. Chavez's treatment of the opposition and independent media raises questions about whether he intends to govern democratically.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-03-09-voa73.cfm

[bemildred]

1. Rich irony here, very rich. nt

[saigon68]

36. KINDA SLEEZY would LOVE to kick his ass

The thought of Chavez being turned into a crisp critter by napalm, must really be a real orgasm for the piece of trash she is.

[Carolab]

2. Go ahead Hugo--LET HER HAVE IT!!! n/t

[Robeson]

3. Does she mean "Democratic" like the U.S., where the guy with...

...the fewer votes is declared the winner...:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

4. I STILL don't understand how condi (or the US) get to sit in judgement

on whether Chavez will be "acceptable."

Who the **** are we to tell Venezuela what kind of government to have?

I don't get it.

[Say_What]

7. SOP for the USSA, always has been....

take a look at their track record of 30 major US-backed coups in LatAm alone since WWII and other spots around the globe where leaders refuse to kowtow to Uncle Sam. Those imbeciles in DC think they're the gods of the planet. I think they are soon in for a very rude awakening--the world isn't going to put up with Bush's bullshit.

[cliss]

8. Is this a recent photo?

Mr. Bush (as Chavez called him this week) looks a little Pinched.

Call me clairvoyant, but......did your plans get kaboshed, eh?

[Say_What]

9. Not really sure, something I found around the web n/t

[NYC]

12. I don't think it is recent.

Can't swear, though.

[TheLastMohican]

13. Two words - "The Monroe Doctrine"

The US follows this doctrine from day 1 up to this day. Only leaders like Chavez and possibly other left-leaning LatAm leaders can change something.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. So when are we invading?

[Fovea]

6. We come in peace

shoot to kill!

[oasis]

10. Condiliar is part of the most secretive, anti-democratic administration in

American history. Chavez should send her a telegram saying "Shut the hell up you forked tongued bimbo ".

[Erika]

11. Smiles

She's also a first class witch who should get an office in her oil tanker and STFU.

[Say_What]

14. He more or less did that last year. He called her ignorant and

said she didn't know squat about LatAm, which is true.

Easy enough to google up if you have the time...

:bounce:

[hatrack]

15. "That said, all options are on the table"

:puke:

[peacetalksforall]

16. Is there a chronological list of U.S. offensives against Latin American

and the Caribbean similar to the one that someone put together about our offensives and atrocities against Cuba?

I am mostly familiar with the corporate-CIA-State Dept-Military campaing against Allende when our near entire admin went into battle for IT and T. But, that was just one event.

She was a liar, is a liar, and will probably always be a liar.

She is the War Empress.

[Judi Lynn]

17. Here's a sketchy timeline....

http://www2.truman.edu/~marc/resources/interventions.html

Ten interventions in Central America:
http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/cot/t4w30uscentralamerica.htm

Forgotten history, interventions in Latin America
http://www.lossless-audio.com/usa/index8.php

Sorry, gotta run. There's so much to find out, isn't there?

It will eventually become necessary to look for "timeline" for each country, to get a closer look at what happened everywhere. You'll definitely see the pattern is the same all over Latin America. It's simply amazing.

Good luck.

[Frederik]

18. Elephant in room spotted

"House Democrat Jose Serrano of New York said given the fact that Mr. Chavez has twice been elected president, and won a recall referendum last August, it might be wiser to embrace him as a democratic leader rather than continue a verbal confrontation with him."

Indeed!

[Say_What]

19. Jose Serrano is one of the few friends Venezuela has in Washington...

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Serrano Inserts Language into Omnibus Bill Report that Calls for Accountability from the NED

...In this spirit, Congressman Serrano has been raising questions about the activities of the National Endowment for Democracy in Venezuela for some time, and has added language to the explanatory statement of conferees on the recent omnibus bill that states that “The conference agreement adopts by reference, House report language reaffirming NED's duty to ensure that all sponsored activities adhere to core NED principles and requiring a report on NED activities in Venezuela.” The report language referred to states: “The Committee reaffirms the role that NED plays in strengthening democratic institutions around the world. Any perception that funds are used to directly support a particular party or candidate, or to support the removal of elected leaders through unconstitutional means, undermines the credibility and effectiveness of NED programs. The Committee expects NED to take all necessary measures to ensure that all sponsored activities adhere to the core NED principles. The Committee directs NED to provide the Committee with a comprehensive report on its activities in Venezuela from fiscal year 2001 through the present...” Congressman Serrano was able to insert this language into the Committee report as the ranking Democrat of the Commerce, Justice, and State Appropriations Subcommittee.

“I am committed to holding this administration accountable, and making sure that we uphold the highest standards of respect for democracy and democratic institutions when we engage with other nations,” said Serrano. “Many questions have been swirling about this administration’s actions in Venezuela, and these recently released documents only raise more. It is time that we get to the bottom of what really happened there, and I will continue to make sure that we do.”

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny16_serrano/041208Venezuela.html

[Moderator]

20. kick to combine

[Say_What]

21. More snipes from US State Department confirm policy towards Venezuela

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In the latest sniping from the USA's State Department, Secretary of State Condolezza Rice calls Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Frias' denunciations of a plot against him orchestrated by the USA as "ridiculous."

Speaking to US Spanish-speaking TV channel Univision, Rice says the USA's only concern over Venezuela is that it be governed democratically.

* Rice starts a visit to Mexico today.

Analysts suggest that the purpose of the visit is to prepare a counter-offensive against a recent tendency on the continent labeled the "pink" movement involving Leftist, Argentina, Brazil, and Venezuela and Uruguay uniting to seek closer ties and economic unity.

With Mexican presidential elections looming close, the USA is anxious to prevent a new Mexican President from joining the "pinkos."

* US print media have labeled the Venezuelan President the USA's "bete noir," as he seeks to cement alliances outside the influence of the USA.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=26995

[bobthedrummer]

22. I'm sure Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Negroponte, Rumsfeld, Goss

and the other traitors agree with Rice that it's a ridiculous, absurd idea.
:silly:

[seemslikeadream]

23. USA's only concern over Venezuela is that it be governed democratically.

How's that Haiti thing working out Condi?

[Name removed]

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[madrchsod]

24. no one cares what sleezie says

the world knows that venezuela more democratic than the united states. china is chavez`s big dog in the fight and my money is on the chinese and their hundreds of billions of us dollars.....

[Judi Lynn]

26. They're nowhere unless they can fan flames of hatred toward Chavez

Any kind of aggression _Bush is planning won't get off the ground without a tide of anti-Chavez hostility, and most Americans don't have a threatening image, even after so many rounds of _Bush bogus blather already. It's downright creepy seeing them trying to construct a colossal lie about him in order to dupe the gullible.

From the article:

Despite Noriega's upbeat militant declaration, some Democratic Congressmen are worried about the State Department's OTT approach and argue that the USA should try and work with Venezuela.

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Vene. comedian entertains
dinner guests,mocking Pres. Chavez
at a party being thrown by U.S.
Ambassador Charles Shapiro in Caracas.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/05/264864.shtml

[Judi Lynn]

28. Adding a link to the background piece provided yesterday

on the current _Bush-appointed U.S. ambassador to Venezuela, William Brownfield, such as he is:

But we must remember that Negroponte did not act alone, he got his marching orders from Ronald Reagan and William Casey and all the U.S. embassies in the region worked together to put down these revolutionary movements.In El Salvador, one player stands out from the rest, the current ambassador to Venezuela, William Brownfield. He played a decisive role along with John Negroponte as a political officer in the embassy cover-up of U.S. involvement in the assassination Archbishop Oscar Romero. He also worked to cover up the murder of the four American Maryknoll nuns and other nuns escaping the violence there. Brownfield also played a key role in directing the death squads and El Salvadorean military, who butchered tens of thousands of trade unionists and members of the FMLN. The death squads did not just kill these people, but in a lot of cases they dismembered them and placed their heads on poles as a warning to the rest of the population.

In Venezuela, ambassador Brownfield has been brought in as a relief pitcher to former ambassador Robert Shapiro, himself no stranger to coups. Shapiro helped in the staging of the April 2002 coup against President Chavez and the destabilization programs that followed. He was also involved in the CIA-backed murderous overthrow of Chilean President Salvador Allende in September of 1973, and death of thousands of people under a military dictatorship that lasted a decade.

In fact, William Brownfield, as ambassador to Chile on the anniversary of the overthrow of that government in 2003, stated publicly in a memorial service that "people who hate the United States must be controlled, arrested or eliminated."

Brownfield's game plan for Venezuela is to unite the opposition, the 400 U.S. corporations, and the fifth-columnists and create an atmosphere for the overthrow of the Bolivarian Revolution. He along with Negroponte will be at the forefront in trying to stop the flowering of the Latin American and World revolutions that we find ourselves in this epoch.
(snip/...)

http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/john_negroponte_william_brownfield_and_death_squads_inc.htm



Brownfield

[bemildred]

27. "ridiculous", "absurd" == "dead on", "we have no good reply"

These are the same people that were all hot to talk about what
a BIG DICK the USA has when it was "Shock and Awe" time.

[peacetalksforall]

29. I wish all of the Presidents of Latin Am and Caribbean would stand up

and scream - STOP LABELING US AS THE PINK CONTINENT - DO NOT INFER THAT WE ARE PINKOS.

Stand up and verbally fight back so that none of you are suicided.

It is boring and lazy to call people commies or pinkos while the accused are persuing ways to lrule for the citizens - the labor and tax revenue sources - those who need a chance to receive the basics and prosper. It's also a lie to call them pinkos.

How long will people put up with the slander of our lying and thieving leaders? As long as the world bank people are calling the shots?

[Say_What]

31. They are... they're voting left and there are more to come next year

Andrés Manuel López Obrador current Mayor of Mexico City and Michelle Bachelet, Chile's Defense Minister. Both are front runners and both are socialists.

COHA's most recent report had this to say about Obrador:

...A New Left Oil Bloc?
While the U.S. is forced to barely tolerate Chávez so long as he keeps the oil flowing, a López Obrador victory in Mexico next year would likely scorch Washington policymakers, especially if he reverses Vicente Fox’s policy and reaches out to Castro as have Chávez, Lula, Kirchner and Vázquez. If he wins, the administration will then be faced with four left-of-center hemispheric powerhouses: Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil and Mexico. The nightmare scenario for the Bush team would then be Chávez inviting López Obrador and Mexico’s state owned oil company, Pemex, into a cooperative arrangement with the Venezuelan leader’s oil trading bloc, “Petrosur,” which already includes Argentina and, as of March 2, Uruguay. Given that Mexico and Venezuela are two of the U.S.’ top four sources of foreign oil imports (behind Saudi Arabia and Canada), a combined Obrador-Chávez alliance would account for upwards of a quarter of all U.S. petroleum imports. One can pretty easily anticipate how the Bush administration would react to such a petro bloc emerging, recalling Henry Kissinger’s old adage that any threat to Saudi oil exports to the U.S. would be a casus belli.

http://www.coha.org/NEW_PRESS_RELEASES/New_Press_Releases_2005/05.26%20Venezuela%20and%20the%20New%20Left%20the%20one.htm

[Cocoa]

30. they plan to kill him in his sleep

so technically Rice is correct, no confrontation.

[Say_What]

32. Some links on that would be interesting... n/t

[Jack Rabbit]

33. I'd love to be able to take her at her word

But the whole world knows better than to do that.

[Name removed]

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[NuttyFluffers]

35. Well, since everyday is opposite day in Bush Co. ...

i let you draw your own conclusions.