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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 09:49 PM
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Giuliana Sgrena Speaks- My Truth (La mia verita)
My truth (La mia verità)

Giuliana Sgrena


Translated by Eva Milan, ZabrinskyPoint


March 6, 2005 (from Il Manifesto) — I am still in the darkness. Last Friday was the most dramatic day of my life since I was abducted.

I had just spoken with my abductors, who for days kept telling me I would be released. So I was living in wait. They said things that I would understand only later. They talked of transfer related problems. I had learned to understand which way the wind blew from the attitude of my two "sentinels," the two fellows who watched over me every day—especially one of them, who attended to my requests, was incredibly bold. In the attempt to understand what was going on, I provocatively asked him if he was happy because I would go away or because I would stay. I was surprised and happy when, for the first time, he told me, "I only know you will go, but I don't know when."

<snip>

They came back: "We'll escort you, but don't give signals of your presence, otherwise the Americans might intervene." That was not what wanted to hear. It was the happiest and also the most dangerous moment. If we ran into someone, meaning American troops, there would be an exchange of fire, and my captors were ready and they would have responded. I had to have my eyes covered. I was already getting used to a temporary blindness.

<snip>

Then they got out of the car. I stayed in that condition of immobility and blindness. My eyes were stuffed with cotton, and covered by sunglasses. I was motionless. I thought . . . what do I do? Should I start counting the passing seconds to another condition, the one of freedom? I had just started counting when I heard a friendly voice: "Giuliana, Giuliana, this is Nicola, don't worry, I've talked to Gabriele Polo, don't worry, you're free."

<snip>

The driver started shouting we were Italians, "We are Italians! We are Italians . . ." Nicola Calipari dove on top of me to protect me and immediately, and I mean immediately, I felt his last breath as he died on me. I must have felt physical pain, I didn't know why. But I had a sudden thought: I recalled my abductors' words. They said they were deeply committed to releasing me, but that I had to be careful because "the Americans don't want you to return." Back then, as soon as they had said that, I had judged their words to be meaningless and ideological. In that moment such words risked to take the taste of the most bitter truth away. I can't tell the rest yet.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10180
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:18 PM
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1. Wow
That's all I can say.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:20 PM
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2. We will see how...
this plays out, but i think it will be an important point for what will happen with this war..a turning point perhaps..and perhaps most important of all, is that this will be a story that will not be one that the usa can control...investigation of what happened will not be left to the usa to play down..it will not play down..not this one...and i believe also, that she has a lot more to say.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:21 PM
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3. I feel sick.
I feel sad :cry:

I feel pissed-off!!!!

Damnit to hell these freakin' neoCONs have got to be unseated/overthrown/impeached/convicted!!!!

Damnit to hell!!!! :mad:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:24 PM
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4. OK.
THIS is going to have to be explained. Bar none. Even if no-one in the US hears it.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:34 PM
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6. It's not her credibility in question right now
You're thinking like a defense lawyer. How credible would you seem if you were kidnapped, held hostage, just released and your rescuer shot dead while trying to protect you?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:56 PM
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12. Yes, that's a hefty piece of writing to do so soon after an ordeal
And yes, you're correct in pointing out the inconsistencies. God knows the wingnuts will and will try to use it to discredit her.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:44 PM
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9. You’re right. Some inconsistencies are emerging.
I recall reading an account last night where she wondered why the driver didn’t do anything to explain who they were. Of course, there could be translation issues depending on who hired the translator. MSM is not reliable when it comes to truthful reporting.

I still believe she was deliberately targeted.
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BillySherm Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:42 PM
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50. If US troops wanted her killed, she'd be dead.
How can you believe that she was deliberately targeted? If US forces had wanted her dead, they could have finished the job instead of rushing her to a hospital once they discovered there was no threat. I don't mean to sound like I'm supporting the Bush Administration's stance here, but to say that the US soldiers were willing hitmen in this incident is a far-stretch even as far as conspiracy theories go.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:46 PM
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51. Oh come on now surely you mean to sound like a bush buddie
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 12:57 PM by seemslikeadream
What if they got the guy they were after?

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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:02 PM
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57. I don't think it's a far stretch
they had to make it look like an accident, and they screwed up. That's my "conspiracy theory". I wouldn't say US soldiers were willing hitmen, if they didn't know what they were shooting at, or why. We don't even know for sure if it was US soldiers, do we? It was US something, but we do have some special ops over there.

They couldn't "finish the job" because it would have been too obvious - now they can at least try to go with the old "it was an innocent mistake in a war zone" excuse. I don't buy it for a lot of reasons, but the biggest one is cars just don't "go missing". It's "missing" because it doesn't mesh with our story.
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ohiodem54 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 09:52 AM
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62. I agree that the soldiers might not have known what they were shooting at
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 10:43 AM by ohiodem54
and they might have been following orders to shoot anything that moves unless otherwise ordered. Now, I had not heard that the car disappeared after the shooting. Where did you see that? Are all the surviving occupants from the car safely out of Iraq? What is the Italian policeman (the driver) saying?

OK, I saw a short statement by the driver on the Guardian page. (Thanks!)He said there was *no* checkpoint. They were going about 25 mph, rounded a corner, and a search light hit them then the bullets followed immediately after. I saw, too, that these were very experienced rescuers. I believe that they *did* alert the U.S. authorities before going on that road. I wonder whether or not those who shot them were given that information--whether the info was withheld intentionally or accidentally.

Now, why can't our own media at least report that much of the story? Why do they need a fictitious checkpoint and warning shots?
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:35 AM
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63. I think because we don't really have a media anymore
they report what they're told to report - or whatever the "official" line is. That's why I don't really pay attention to the "mainstream media" anymore.

As far as the car being missing - I read that in several articles posted on here. Last thing I read said the car was on it's way to Italy, but I don't know if that's true or not. I get most of my news on here, and from various websites I found through here, that still report facts.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:59 PM
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13. It's the American media that is flip-flopping on the story
as the Italian media continues to poke huge holes on the bullshit story our military put out.

Stop believing those airheads on Fox and CNN.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 11:34 PM
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16. You Are Correct
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 12:28 AM by chlamor
And the most microscopic inconsistency will merit great attention in the disgusting US media so as to keep the lens off the dirty reality. And so our duty is to become the media with leaflets and post images, that would otherwise be kept from view, in public places so the American people witness the atrocities. People don't know. Peace to you brother/sister.




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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 05:55 AM
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37. Amazing aint it?
The DOD can lie their scandalous asses off every minute of the day and their "cridibility" is never questioned.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:16 AM
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17. Where exactly, w/links please, have you read that she has changed her ...
story? I haven't seen anything of the sort. This story doesn't refer to being attacked by tanks, can you link us to that? Where are you seeing contradictory statements from her @ lights (links?). I don't see risk to her credibility, though I can't say the same for some of the posters crawling out of the woodwork lately.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:20 AM
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18. We have a new variant of the "unclear what happened" strategy, perhaps.
Microsoft calls it FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt).
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:02 PM
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53. WHERE'S THE CAR: American Military 'lost' it......
On Saturday, the Associated Press in Baghdad asked to see Sgrena's car, but the U.S. military said it didn't know where it was.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/03/05/italianhostage-050305.html
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:39 AM
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24. Just what I'd expect from freeper-types...
...of course, in the next breath, they'll ridicule the "loony left" for LIHOP or MIHOP charges.

:puke:

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:51 AM
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:50 AM
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25. Yeah Lancey, I think you're onto her--good catch!!!
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 03:48 AM by kurtyboy
She set the whole thing up herself! She intentionally got herself and three other fellow Italians shot with real US bullets (Killing one of them) to prove a point. Boy, what a fucking hoax she's pulled!!!!

</sarcasm>

Get real, and fer' crying out loud, quit going on about inconsistencies in her story--unless you've read it in the original and can make such a case---I'll wait....lemme know.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:11 AM
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31. Linking to a site that glories in beheading pics & videos, bitching @ the
left wing does nothing to back up your credibility - what was your point today? You register on DU in 2002, saving it as a throwaway? You haven't posted much in all this time, till you have something to stir the shit about & then back your points to a site that has Michelle Malkin as one of it's links? I do believe that I know exactly what hole you crawled out of, kindly return to it!

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:24 AM
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40. What a waste of a "sleeper"....
I guess this IS an important story.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:23 PM
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58. A 'stupid' sleeper - it uses the same name w/out the _ in it's regular
hole. You'd think there would be a little creativity & thought ... wait, nevermind, I forgot what I was talking about here! LOL
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:55 AM
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28. U R fuuuunny!!!
Tell us more!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:23 AM
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39. No, others tried to kill her.
They failed. They will regret it.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:34 PM
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7. Terrore e strage a Baghdad


A bit translated

Be hung always than it does not be able to be us nothing of worst of the now just spends under the bombardments and instead the night, every night, reserves new surprised. The worst arrived last night, towards the seven, with the bombardment of a market in the district sciita of Shula to north west of Baghdad: 55 the dead, tens and tens the injured given shelter to in the hospital An-Nour. The stage is the same one that has presented two days does, in another district sciita, Shaab. A crater and around the destruction. The images, those of the destruction: bodies bloodied on the ground, compassionately covered from the first rescuers, stages of pain and of despair. Between the bundles on the covered floor of rubble there it is also what remains of two children. To the close hospital An-Nour a woman is hit repeatedly the I turn, screaming: from the other part of a window there is a young man, blindfolded and bleeding. The minister of the information To The Sahhaf and its spokesperson list the artcmetica of a day devastating: seventy dead yesterday to Baghdad, the official voice iraqui says, the first terrible bombs against-bunker at work. The time was attractive - thing that helps the aerial Americans and their load. Thursday evening the cacciabombardieri were themselves still a fierce time against the iraqui capital and its inhabitants. And yesterday, Friday, did not be certain the muslim day of party to intimidate the pilots of the hunting. The war yesterday entered also in the mosques, in the sermons of the varied imam. In the Um El-marik, the mosque «mother of everything the battles», from the definition coniata from Saddam Hussein in occasion of the war of the Gulf of 1991 and built actual to remember the resistance in those days, is touched to the imam Thaer El-Ani to revolt itself to the faithful of high rank. More than a mosque in fact the Um El-Marik is a monument, expensive, little attended in normal times, but used for the large occasions. The war undoubtedly deserves a prayer of the Friday in the suburban Um El-Marik, where the situation yesterday at noon specially was stretched out because a bomb was just little fall distant provoking dead and fear. Between a some Corano said and an appeal of Allah, the imam ensured - with the self-governing of a man of God - the iraquis of the victory: «The victory will be from our part because we believe in God, we pray of more and God will help us. The victory verrà, inshallah». «All of the soldiers that protect will go us in paradise», added, remembering however that «God is the sole that can give and to commit suicide».
http://www.speedoflife.org/mar2003/terrore.html

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:34 PM
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8. another--wow here too...
...and the Americans who don't want our work that gives witness to what that country has really turned into with the war, despite what they call elections.

...:wow:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 10:54 PM
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11. Diary of a permanent war

Giuliana Sgrena The front Iraq. Diary of a permanent war THERE IS a manner to judge it "quality" of a book that offers some keys to interpret, to so little distance of time, the events that tells. The quality is that of the duration. In this case is had the luck of to be able measure it with sufficient precision. Gone out before some few day moments important of the iraqui recentissima story , this "Diary of a permanent war" has not of it nevertheless resented. For two reasons, above all. The before it is that Giuliana Sgrena is granted, in the initial part of the book, the flavor of the impressionism. Perhaps the subjective one is the sole shot to tell not the war of the plastics and of the long fields on the hardened motions of columns, but the impact of the war on the lives of men and women. The point of fall of a bomb from 500 kilograms, the tears of the director of the museum of Baghdad just devastated in the days of the chaos, the nurses arms that protect the hospitals from the thiefs are instantaneous of chronicle. However they tell the Story with more precision of any press conference pentagonale or television vesposo discussion. The daily course of the story and the cleanliness of the writing create a plan-clear sequence, essential, dry. Rich of humanity, that it shine through in the modesty with that sent off it of the obvious one it draws near to individual a lot of dramas, known for name. To page 71, the step changes. The look climbs on the dolly and the field is stretched. They enter in game the pressures and the international interest, the oil, the complex composition of the iraqui society, with religious his facetings, ethnic, tribal, of type. The analysis after it "chronicle" is not alone journalistic matter of order. It is the choice of an angolazione. Giuliana Sgrena is at its comfort also in the spacious scenery and or rather, neighbor gives back it more, human and, to the same time, more wretched. At least for certain figures, protagonists downgraded, just, to appear: Ahmed Chalabi, the bancarottiere on that the united States had aimed to drive the new one Iraq americanizzato; Paul Bremer, the proconsole to the head of the Coalition provisional authority; Moqtada to the Sadr, Saddam Hussein, Alì to the Sistani, the large ayatollah of Najaf. Even George W. Bush, apparent first actor of the drama, is banished on the background. The key that Giuliana chooses is that of the forces and of the deep motions of the iraqui society. That they reflect on the politics, but they surpass it and, in some cases, they remove them sense. Better, they show its shortsightedness, thick opportunistica. So the journey in the complexity of the world sciita, to which a lot of pages, or the delicate game between the ethnicities are dedicated and the religions that superimpose and interweave, when do not fight themselves, make come in mind, for contrast, the comments cut with the hatchet of the propaganda from the governments that participate in the occupation.

http://www.carta.org/articoli/narrazioni/narrazioni04/27mangini.htm
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:19 AM
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38. If you find english translation of book let me know
:toast:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:48 AM
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45. Just a bit so far
The Iraq forehead
Per diem from one permanent war

of Giuliana Sgrena

The war in Iraq is not ended 1° the May of 2003 like has proclamato Bush and risks to become infinite. The defeat of Saddam Hussein with the crews has not carried the peace in iraq, the much less democracy. The strafings have not only pulled down the regimen of Saddam and seeded destructions, but they have mined to the base the institutions creating an empty one that space leaves the law of the giungla. The army of Saddam has been defeated fastly, but the occupation is meeting an unexpected resistance from the Americans and from theirs it allies to you. The threats of Saddam, to the eve of the fall, launch a not conventional war are being come true. Actions armed against the troops of occupation and terroristic attacks that they hit indiscriminately alternate and seed the panic. Guerrilla and Saint war (jihad) on the background of one popular resistance to the occupation. The resistance does not have a face, but thousand faces, imprendibili. And it can last to along.
A travel through the Iraq in war.


ed.2004;
Pages 181; € 12.50
Manifestolibri Editions

:hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:36 AM
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48. more bits
Its last published book is the Iraq forehead. Per diem of a permanent war (pp. 182, manifestolibri, 2004) in which it inquires on the land, conversing with the been involved population, sfaccettature, contradictions and daily tragedies of a permanent war that, anyone of will be the winner, not esaudirà the promises of development and democracy that would have had legittimarla. Denunciation the infinite war.

And Iraq infinite war is just the title it that Giuliana has chosen for the volume that it was completing in these days, in order to evidence like the 31 elections of January 2005 in Iraq has not put fine to the conflict that insanguina the country and that, like has proclamato Bush, risks to become infinite. Even though it has taken to the way a pronunciamento device democratic, all the concrete contents of the acquired democracy are very lungi the being. The destructions, the strafings, the long and bloody military occupation have pulled down not only the regimen, but consolidated institutions and social relations, creating an empty one of being able that it gives to space to every illegalità and violence. The rest, unfortunately, is report.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.manifestolibri.it/giuliana.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGiuliana%2BSgrena%2BIl%2Bfronte%2BIraq%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 09:29 PM
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56. Your efforts in this matter
and in this discussion group are beyond par excellence. One of my favorite authors is the Italian surrealist Italo Calvino. The way this reads with the translation is such that your mind enters the spaces of this horrific nightmare in Iraq. Having stayed in Italy for a long time in the early 90's my disposition is quite sympathetic here. Wow, what a brutish people we americans are. Thank you again. I shall continue to look for Giuliana's writings and a copy of the book.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 08:44 AM
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61. Thanks chlamor
kind of you and thanks for introducing me to Calvino, very interesting!


I would like to swim against the stream of time:
I would like to erase the consequences of certain events
and restore an initial condition.
But every moment of my life brings with it an accumulation of new facts
and each of these new facts brings with it its consequences;
so the more I seek to return to the zero moment from which I set out,
the further I move away from it;
though all my actions are bent on erasing the consequences of previous actions
and though I manage to achieve appreciable results in this erasure,
enough to open my heart to hopes of immediate relief,
I must,
however,
bear in mind that my every move to erase previous events
provokes a rain of new events,
which complicate the situation worse than before
and which I will then,
in their turn,
have to try to erase.
Therefore
I must calculate carefully every move
so as to achieve
the maximum of erasure
with the minimum of recomplication.

Italo Calvino
If on a winter's night a traveler


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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 11:07 PM
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14. thanks for posting this!
i am curious to see how it all plays out.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:29 AM
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19. The Guardian's Monday edition: "I have a machine gun pointing at me."
However, according to the daily Corriere della Sera, the Italian intelligence officer who drove the car and who survived the attack insisted they were travelling at just 40 to 50 kilometres an hour (25 to 30 mph).

He was quoted as saying: "All of a sudden, a searchlight went on. Immediately afterwards, the shots began. The fire lasted for at least 10 seconds."

The team that fetched Sgrena had been in direct contact by telephone with the prime minister's office in Rome, where Mr Berlusconi, senior intelligence officers and the editor of Sgrena's newspaper were all celebrating her release with champagne. Corriere della Sera said that, after screaming at the Americans to stop, the intelligence officer called up again. "The Americans have shot at us," he shouted. "Nicola is dead. I have a machine gun pointing at me."

<snip>

Italian prosecutors are working on the assumption they are investigating a murder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1432040,00.html

I hope the Italian people become so angry that they force Berlusconi to withdraw Italian troops from Iraq, or topple him from power!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:29 AM
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20. I suppose the BFEE and U.S. corporate media will now tear into her.
Presumably the remainder of the world will get the real story, but in the U.S. she will be portrayed as a communist who was just stirring up trouble. Pretty soon they will be demanding an apology from her (if it hasn't already started on some particularly grotesque early adapter part of the corporate media machine).
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:36 AM
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21. This is weird -- why isn't this article at Il Manifesto's site?
I thought I'd go there and maybe get a better translation but the article's not there. Yet your source says it's from Il Manifesto.


At least I found a nice photo of a poster asking for Giuliana's liberation.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:02 AM
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 04:39 AM
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35. Penny Marshall? How is it she resembles Penny Marshall?


And if she did, so what? What's the significance?


What IS that smell?

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:29 AM
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43. She's got lines of experience in her face....
Women like that make certain men nervous.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:57 AM
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49. Mostly republican men.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:25 AM
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41. Oooops! Sloppy sloppy. Let your true feelings through. Tsk tsk.
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 10:25 AM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
Better discipline next time, soldiah!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:12 AM
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32. That's a good question
I went and had a look myself and I can't find it there either. I'm sure there's a reason but it is curious.
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:26 AM
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42. Isn't this it?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.ilmanifesto.it/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dil%2Bmanifesto%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8

The Manifest - 07 March 2005 FREE page 18
FOR WHO IT HAS LOST It
From the prison to the fire
Ripubblichiamo the first article written from Giuliana after the liberation, since the newspaper yesterday in many newspaper stands has gone exausted from the first hours of the mattino
GIULIANA SGRENA
I am still in the buio. E' be that one of friday the more dramatic day of my life. They were the many days that I had been seized. I had spoken only little before with my kidnappers, from days said that they would have freed to me. I lived therefore hours of wait. Which spoke about things di.le after would have only understood the importance. They said of problems "legacies to the transfers". I had learned to understand that air pulled from the attitude of mine two "lookouts", the two personages who had every day to me in guard. In particular that it showed every attention to my desire, it was incredibly self-confident. In order to understand that one indeed <... >
 

(It's on page 18 of the March 7 edition)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 10:35 AM
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44. Here it is--In Italian
Many of the stories at the site have English translations--but not this one, yet.

www.ilmanifesto.it/Quotidiano-archivio/06-Marzo-2005/
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:58 AM
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29. Strong, verifiable story.
We have naught but pathetic excuses and "Uh, Dude, Where's The Car".
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:11 AM
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46. And "unnamed US military officials" claiming the Italians didn't...
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 11:15 AM by Junkdrawer
tell the ground troops she was coming.

Very clever way to get lies into the headlines and yet not expose any BushCo offical to charges of lying when the story proves false.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:05 PM
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54. ask for NAMES: call the WH: 202 456 1414
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 11:33 AM
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47. The Manifest : freed the peace video



The video, introduced tuesday and transmitted also from the Arabic televisions, tells Giuliana, its job, its passion for the Iraq and the iracheni.



The seizure has happened in the pressed ones of the mosque of to the Kastl, in the zone of the university, where Giuliana had oed in order to realize some interviews: "never it has not been a reporter that Luciana Castellina remains in hotel", as has remembered one of the fondatrici de The Manifest.

' ' Giuliana is a peace woman, loves the Iraq very and as all we are against the war ' '. The director de The Manifest , Gabriel Pole, has commented therefore the rapimento of the colleague Giuliana Sgrena. Like peace journalists, we make ours its words, and we appeal the kidnappers so that he is endured freed. Because to free Giuliana it means, also, to free one voice of the people iracheno.

Giuliana is the second kidnapped journalist in Iraq from the beginning of this year: Florence Aubenas , reporter French of Libération is passing 5 January 2005 to Baghdad, with to its interpreter iracheno Hussein Hanoun Al-Saadi . A hard blow for the French press, little more than a month from the release of Georges Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot, freed after three months and means of imprisonment.

Others two reporter still turn out passings in Iraq: Frédéric Nérac, cameramen French that a British one works for issuing, of which news from 22 March 2003 is not had, and cameramen iracheno a Isam Hadi Muhsin Al-Shumary, disappeared from 15 August 2004.

"One deep conoscitrice of the political, social and human of Iraq and above all studious truth of the Middle Eastern issues". E' with these words that the colleagues de The Manifest have described Giuliana Sgrena. It loves the Iraq, interests to them, studies it, tries to comprise it. And for this it has been several times, also before the war. The last time has left from Italy 23 January for the passage of deliveries with the colleague and friend Stefano Chiarini, that it has re-entered just today to Rome. For the electoral period, in fact, they have been with, working flank to flank.

Gotten passionate of its trade, Giuliana has been often also in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and still before she has been the envoy in Algeria of years Ninety, to the times of the maximum ferocity of the men of the Group Armed Muslim (Gia). Then it has worked from Egypt and the Somalia in the moment of the absolute chaos of the getlteman of the war.

Years of life in the heart of the Islam, years of reflections and taken of conscience of the fondamentalismo that has it capacity to the conviction that the political-military plan that of it achieves wheels around to the condition of the women. Giuliana Sgrena has always supported that the true mail in game of the crash with the Islam is the emancipation of the women, is the possibility of one mixed society. Here the feracious segregation of the Talebani afghani, tells you from she in "To the school of the Taleban", (manifestolibri, 2002), or the steps behind of the women irachene, described in "the Iraq forehead. Per diem of one permanent war "(manifestolibri, 2004).

PeaceReporter

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.peacereporter.net/dettaglio_articolo.php%3Fidc%3D16%26idart%3D1258&prev=/search%3Fq%3DGiuliana%2BSgrena%2BIl%2Bfronte%2BIraq%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:49 PM
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52. Sick and crying
I cannot withstand much more of this crap. I think there is only so much truth any one mind can hold; this may be the top of my bucket. Going to take sedative and pretend I live in Ukraine.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:09 PM
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55. I Never Forgot The Spanish Jounalist And The Courageous Protest
Remember this? WHERE ARE THE COURAGEOUS JOURNALISTS IN THE U.S. WHO WILL STAND UP TO BUSHCO??

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Dead-Missing_Journalists_Iraq.html
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:55 AM
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60. Where are the courageous news OUTLETS in the U.S. who will stand up
to BushCo. There are *plenty* of journalists willing to do so if only their editors and the owners of their outlets would allow them.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 01:45 AM
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59. The Repugs are already spinning
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 02:11 AM by EC
that we can't believe her because "she is a Communist that writes for a Communist paper-the Manifesto (one even added a for goodness sakes after saying that)

or "you can't really believe our men and women would shot at a reporter can you?"

Well, yes I can, for all I know, it could have been Blackwater or Caci soldiers....not the "military"

On edit: it also makes me wonder about "the kidnappers" since they knew they were going to release her, and for her not to trust the Americans. Was her story so threatening that the Americans could have orchestrated the kidnapping too?
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