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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:11 AM
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High oil prices spurring Asia to seek alternative energy sources: official
High oil prices spurring Asia to seek alternative energy sources: officials


SINGAPORE: High global oil prices are spurring Asian governments into accelerating their search for alternative power sources and encouraging energy conservation, regional officials said here.

Governments are increasingly diversifying their "fuel mix" to cut dependence on imported oil by developing other power sources such as natural gas, geo-thermal, hydro, liquefied natural gas and renewable fuels, they said.

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The comments from Southeast Asian officials follow China passing on Monday its first ever renewable energy law, which requires power grid operators to purchase resources from registered renewable energy producers.

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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific_business/view/135416/1/.html

What is our energy policy ??? Our energy meetings attended by crooks are "secret"...while George is telling Puttie pute that we belive in "transparency and truth".

What is our plan Mr. Resident?
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:20 AM
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1. Here it is
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 10:21 AM by jmcgowanjm
The Mitigation of the Peaking of World Oil
Production

by US Dept of Energy

http://energybulletin.net/4577.html

And why it's too late:

Mexico’s Largest Oil Field in Premature Decline

http://energybulletin.net/4574.html

What this means:

Cantarell, The Second Largest Oil Field in the World Is Dying

A couple of weeks ago I ran into this from the oil industry rags
I read. It is a chilling thought since this is the 2nd
biggest producer of oil on earth. Ghawar produces 4.5
million bbl/day, Cantarell, 2.2 million bbl/day, Da Qing
and Burgun around 1 million per
day.

The implications of this upcoming decline are tremendous to
the world. This field produces half of what Ghawar does and
it won't be doing that much longer.  The effect on the
energy supply will be felt and there is no way for that not
to happen.  On Aug. 3, 2004, the OPEC president stated
that OPEC has no more spare capacity.  They are pumping
all out and can't satisfy the demand for oil.  If fields like
Cantarell begin declining, the problem of supplying the
world with oil will only get
worse.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/cantarell.htm

Now go back and read Mexico's oilfield in premature
decline to see why the USDept of Energy's
Mitigation Plan is too late too implement.

We must do a crash program on railroads right now.
The Suburbs must be sacrificed right now.
Get ready for $3/gal gas by July 4.






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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:24 AM
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2. with all due repsect...it's a study --- not an enerygy plan
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:36 AM
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6. worse for us
For the US Energy Plan see Cheney
and the Pentagon

Syria is doomed. From Oden Yinon in 1982 (his emphasis):

"The Western front, which on the surface appears
more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the
Eastern front, in which most of the events that make
the headlines have been taking place recently. Lebanon's
total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for
the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the
Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.
The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically
or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is
Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run,
while the dissolution of the military power of those states
serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart,
in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into
several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there
will be a Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in
the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to
its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a
state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran
and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the
guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run,
and that aim is already within our reach
today."

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/

Bush gives go ahead for Israeli retaliatory strike on
Syria to avenge the 4 Israeli's killed in the latest
bombing.


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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:53 AM
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10. don't know about crash program or sacrifice the burbs
but I do see $3 gas very close to around the corner.

Higher gas prices will entice many Americans to purchase more foreign cars with better gas mileage out of simple necessity.

Although, from the government's perspective, they are probably thinking oh good Asia will demand less more for us and it'll stabilize prices, for a short time anyway.

what could have been more thoughtfully planned for will occur very very painfully
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:06 AM
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12. Pain Now-$53.60/ BBL Crude NYMEX
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 11:08 AM by jmcgowanjm
There will be a crash program because
one has not been implemented.

Everyday that goes by
w/o mention by bushco of
energyplan or railroad program means
that war and the elimination
of competition (Google BRIC) is The Plan
(Also see-Russian Chevronets, Gold Hoarding
China).

See Kunstler on why 'Burbs will have to
be abandoned. Think driving 80 miles driving
roundtrip to work on $3/gal gas won't
be painful?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:19 AM
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13. the silence is deafening....as we focus on BS issues
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whathappened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:24 AM
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3. our plan
well as your presadant i will ensure that we stick to full use of our black gold where ever it may pop out of the ground , and i see no need to look esle where for new renewed sorces of fuel , now just trust me on this one , when i get thru reading my pet goat , i will have some one look into this new stuff that i hear people talking about , but it is not like s.s. , there is no need to hurry along tell we have stole all of the black gold and milked it for all is worth , thank you people of u.s. , now it is time for my nap
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:31 AM
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5. Here is the Australian Plan (they admit it --- and have NO plan)
The Australian political response

Australian political response to this issue has been muted, to say the least. In May 2004, Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson stated on the ABC's Insiders show that "at some stage in the next few short years global (oil) production may very well peak," one of the government's first admissions that a world oil production decline was approaching.

In October 2004, Hansard records that Kim Hanna in the South Australian Parliament presented a spirited call to action (it's just before half way down a very long web page, under Oil and Gas).

In May 2004, Greens candidate Drew Hutton told The Age that "spiralling oil prices would force an economic crisis in Australia within 15 years if authorities fail to act now". He was immediately shot down by a spokesman for John Anderson, who said that "to link current spiralling prices with oil reserves was ridiculous, given the instability of the oil-rich Middle East ... the spokesman said the Australian Government, along with the United State government, was already taking the issue of depleting oil stocks very seriously and examining alternatives including ethanol and hydrogen."

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http://www.energybulletin.net/4297.html
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:41 AM
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7. And the Gropenator
hears you. He's riding around in one of his gas-guzzling Humvees right now. But it's for a good purpose.

Arnold wants to spend millions of tax payer dollars for a special election. You see the big corporations and Wall Street are betting that if they give Arnold millions of dollars for TV commercials they can get rid of Calpers, the California pension fund, whose managers do their best to keep Wall Street honest.

And the insurance companies don't want to provide adequate nursing staff to the hospitals. Arnold will be able to afford private nurses just as Cheney and Bush will. The average person won't.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:49 AM
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9. Can't this wait til November?
I know gerrymandering and raiding the pension fund is important to GOPers but seriously.......

I was willing to give Arnold a chance but he's really wearing thin now. Just glad I don't live there.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:20 AM
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14. I think both Bush and Arnold want to
do as much damage as they can as soon as they can.

The reason is that eventually people are going to realize what these guys are up to. Bush and Arnold are hoping to get the people in such a weak condition before they come to their senses that they won't be able to fight back.

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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:26 AM
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4. An will they spur the US to do likewise?
Never under our current administration.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:45 AM
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8. They've pointed to Chinese as the reason we cant
have renewable energy and environmental controls. Now they look like one more reason we MUST have renewable energy research. Are we really going to let the Asians eat our lunch again? Let's get out in front on research where we belong. Forget about more drilling - it's not the future.
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Us vs Them Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:59 AM
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11. Good for them.
This just means more oil for us! Greedy greedy, munch munch.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:28 AM
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15. China is building over one hundred new nuclear reactors
Pebble-bed reactors, virtually melt-down proof. They expect to have them online by ~2020 or so. Unfortunately the fuel pellets can only be used once instead of being recycled for use again and again in a breeder reactor, so it is a short-term solution to a long-term problem.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:33 AM
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16. at least their plan seems like a "peaceful plan"
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