Bill would allow guns in schools, anywhere (Arizona)

[quaoar]

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/63738.php

Concealed-weapons measure gets preliminary House OK

By Howard Fischer
CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES

PHOENIX - The House of Representatives voted Tuesday to let people carry weapons - including guns, grenades, rockets, mines and sawed-off shotguns - into schools, polling places and nuclear plants if they claim they're only trying to protect themselves.

The vote on the legislation came after Rep. Ben Miranda, D-Phoenix, pointed out it would bar prosecution of those who want to bring a weapon into the House or Senate. Despite that, lawmakers gave it preliminary approval on a 30-16 margin.

But what's in House Bill 2666 surprised even Rep. Doug Quelland, R-Phoenix, who introduced the legislation and shepherded it through the House. He said he had no idea the legislation, crafted by constituents he wouldn't identify, was so broad that it would provide a catchall exemption in the state's weapons laws.

Quelland said he wants to ensure that those who carry a concealed weapon without getting the required state permit do not wind up being charged with a crime.

[fooj]

1. Apparently, they get way too much sun in Arizona! WTF?

[Silverhair]

2. Not true. The article is hype.

Those actions are ALREADY illegal under federal law, and the bill can't change that. Federal law already forbids the ownership of that stuff, and already forbids going into schools, etc with weapons.

The author of the article either knows better and is lying to promote his/her agenda, or is too lazy to fact check.

The legislation may or may not have other problems, but IT WILL NOT MAKE LEGAL THE THINGS THAT THE ARTICLE CLAIMS IT WILL.

[quaoar]

7. So, I guess

if little Tommy brings a grenade launcher to show and tell at school, anyone who wants to object will have to find an available ATF agent to come out and arrest him. Good luck.

[Silverhair]

9. Local police have authority to enforce federal laws.

You are getting desperate.

[quaoar]

12. Desperate? For what?

I don't claim to be an expert on federal gun laws. Is there a federal prohibition against carrying a handgun to school, for instance?

I don't know. I'm asking, nothing more. So calm down.

The story is interesting because the House actually passed the damn thing without knowing or apparently caring what impact it might have or whether it is enforceable or anything else. I wonder if they even asked any law enforcement officials -- federal or state -- for their opinions about it.

Anyway, here's how it was played in the Daily Star:

[Silverhair]

14. Sorry about the "desperate"remark. Explaination follows.

In another thread a poster put up that article and I attacked the article as hype, which it is. I do not defend or attack the legislation as I don't know much about it. So on that thread we have been going back and forth rather heatedly. I mistook you for him, and I apologize for that.

My view is that any arguments that we put forward should be be backed by facts. This article tells lies. Lies can not be used in the service of a progressive agenda, even if they may seem convient.

The federal law that outlaws guns in schools was passed in 1995.

[MrPrax]

23. Daily Star...Wow.. Amazing...!!

Gallagher still tours!!?

:-)

...other than that, another fine 'quality' publication

[lebkuchen]

3. If the US went cold turkey from guns,

what would be the recuperation time?

[Undercover Owl]

27. cold turkey from guns.....

Some gun enthusiasts would need a 12-step program!

[noonwitch]

4. My guess is that the Governor will veto this insanity

They just elect any lunatic to state legislatures these days, don't they?

[atreides1]

6. Most of the lunatics are from the Phoenix areas

Most of the nut jobs in the Arizona legislature are from Phoenix and areas north of Tucson.

[Angry Girl]

18. LMAO! You're so right!

Arizona is FULL of freaks! And if you listen closely enough, you can hear the sucking sound created by the intellectual vacuum....

Any of you know Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

Google him sometime or check out New Times's huge collection of articles about him:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/special_reports/arpaio/index.html

He created the "tent city" jail, serving "meals" that cost 40 cents a serving, charged to the inmates.... He's also disallowed smoking and porn mags and weight lifting. He started both male and female chain gangs so he could get free work for the county. He held a parade where the female prisoners had to bring him cake.

You can't invent characters this disturbed.... Except for the freaks who keep him in office. Over a decade. Makes me sick.

[SOS]

24. And despite Sheriff Joe

Arizona still has the highest crime rate in America.

[LiberalFighter]

25. That is also Dan Quayle's new home state

[American Tragedy]

5. I didn't even know that this was a prerogative of state government.

I thought federal law already made it illegal for private citizens to carry those kinds of deadly weapons in certain areas.

Anyway, I support the Second Amendment, but even I think this is blatantly pushing the limit.

[Redstone]

8. This is the REALLY strange part...

"Quelland said he wants to ensure that those who carry a concealed weapon without getting the required state permit do not wind up being charged with a crime."

1) A permit is REQUIRED.

2) He wants people who DON'T get a permit to NOT be charged with a crime.

3) Does he understand the word "required?" Or is he just fucking insane?

Redstone

[Lorien]

11. What next?

ensuring that those who drive without a driver's license get off scott free? Sheesh!

[Brooklyn Michael]

10. ....all I can say is...

Wow... :wow:

[SixDollarBurger]

13. Not that many changes

I don't see any mention of mines or rocket launchers.It basically says that if you have a CCW you should be able to carry your weapon into some places that were off limits before....

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/47leg/1r/summary/h%2Ehb2666%5F02%2D14%2D05%5Fjud%2Edoc%2Ehtm&DocType=S


HB 2666 makes several changes to the statute outlining misconduct involving weapons.



History
A.R.S. § 13-3102 provides that a person commits misconduct involving a weapon if the person knowingly:

· Carries a deadly weapon concealed on a person without a permit

· Carries a deadly weapon concealed within the immediate control of the person or within a means of transportation without a permit

· Manufactures, possesses, transports, sells or transfers a prohibited weapon

· Possessing a deadly weapon or prohibited weapon if the person is a prohibited possessor

· Sells or transfers a deadly weapon to a prohibited possessor

· Defaces a deadly weapon

· Possesses a defaced weapon knowing that the weapon has been defaced

· Uses or possesses a deadly weapon during the commission of any felony drug offense

· Discharges a firearm in an occupied structure to promote/further the interests of a street gang, criminal syndicate or racketeering enterprise

· Enters a public establishment or attends a public event carrying a deadly weapon after a reasonable request has been made by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event/sponsor’s agent to remove the weapon and place it in the operator/sponsor’s custody

· Enters a polling place on election day with a weapon

· Possesses a deadly weapon on school grounds

· Enters a nuclear or hydroelectric generating station with a deadly weapon

· Supplying, selling or giving a firearm to another person if the person knows it will be used to commit a felony offense

· Uses, possesses or exercises control over a deadly weapon to further an act of terrorism



A.R.S. § 13-3101 defines a deadly weapon as anything designed for lethal use, including a firearm. This section also defines prohibited possessor as any person who has been found to constitute a danger to himself or others, convicted of a felony, serving a term of imprisonment, serving a term of probation or a person defined under federal law as a prohibited possessor.



Provisions
· Requires misconduct involving weapons offenses to be committed with malicious intent.

· Provides that the offense of carrying a deadly weapon without a permit does not apply to a situation where there is an absence of demonstrable malicious intent to do unjustifiable harm to another person.



· Provides that a person who enters a public establishment carrying a deadly weapon after a reasonable request has been made by the operator of the establishment to remove the weapon for temporary and secure storage on the premises is guilty of misconduct.



· States that misconduct involving:

­ Carrying a weapon without a permit

­ Manufacturing, possessing, transporting, selling or transferring a prohibited weapon

­ Possessing a defaced deadly weapon

­ Entering a public establishment carrying a deadly weapon after a request has been made by the operator of the establishment to remove the weapon

­ Entering an election polling place with a weapon

­ Possessing a deadly weapon on school grounds

­ Entering a nuclear or hydroelectric generating station carrying a deadly weapon

Does not apply if the person is a United States citizen carrying a deadly weapon for personal protection, the protection of others, the state or the sanctity of a dwelling unit, whether the person is a resident of the dwelling or not.



· Exempts a person carrying a weapon in a fanny pack from misconduct involving carrying a deadly weapon concealed if the fanny pack is visible.



· Exempts a weapon carried in the map pocket of a vehicle from misconduct involving carrying a weapon concealed on a means of transportation.



· Provides that the following acts of misconduct involving weapons with malicious intent is a Class 1 misdemeanor:

­ Possessing a weapon on school grounds

­ Carries a deadly weapon concealed on a person without a permit

­ Carries a deadly weapon concealed within the immediate control of the person or within a means of transportation without a permit

­ Enters a public establishment or attends a public event carrying a deadly weapon after a reasonable request has been made by the operator of the establishment or the sponsor of the event/sponsor’s agent to remove the weapon and place it in the operator/sponsor’s custody

­ Enters a polling place on election day with a weapon





· Deletes a vehicle or craft from the definition of a public establishment.



· Makes technical and conforming changes.







---------- DOCUMENT FOOTER ---------

47th Legislature

First Regular Session 2 February 17, 2005



---------- DOCUMENT FOOTER ---------

[Sal316]

16. "Malicious Intent".... lot of times it doesn't START that way.

· Requires misconduct involving weapons offenses to be committed with malicious intent.

[Sal316]

15. After eating lunch and thinking about this.....

....here are some thoughts about why this is being pushed.

Yes, there are Federal laws regulating firearms. That's a given. What this is trying to change is AZ law. Now, if someone is caught taking a firearm into someplace FEDERAL law says they can't, this becomes a case to be tried in Federal Court.

Secondly, I also think has something to do with the AZ Minuteman project going on down by the Mexican border.

Third, Napolitano's ratings are so high, I believe (since he won't say who crafted this) that this is a setup to weaken her before the 2006 election.


Just my opinion.

[Hobarticus]

17. Can they take guns ANYWHERE....including the State House?

Somehow, I bet that'll get excluded.

[gratuitous]

19. Or courthouses

Oddly enough, one place where you're most likely to be deprived of life, liberty or property is the place where you can't carry a weapon to "protect" or "defend" yourself.

[EC]

20. And what will they say when

there is a shooting in a school or polling place during elections? Well, well we didn't foresee this happening? What pieces of shit...and for a Dem to cave in and go along is just not right...Of course they protect their sorry asses...I'm certainly NOT vacationing in Arizonia, ever, if this passes...

[Guckert]

21. Well it's working great in Iraq... Why not start that fine policy here??

DUH!!!!

the NRA dream county, Iraq. everyone with an automatic weapon and peace and freedom reign supreme.

[micrometer_50]

22. Update: Legislator drops bill with gun protections

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/hourlyupdate/63788.php


Update: Legislator drops bill with gun protections


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
PHOENIX - A legislator said Wednesday he killed his own bill
on weapons misconduct, saying it went too far by providing
broad exemptions that could bar state prosecution of people
carrying guns into schools and other prohibited sites for protection.

[Az_lefty]

26. Sounds like a sponsored a bill he didn't even bother to read.

[hannah]

28. heard on the radio today

Charlie Crist Attorney General in Tallahasee Florida has a similar Bill he wants passed. That you may shoot someone in public and not be charged, in the same way, you can shoot someone who breaks into your home and not be charged. (your home is your castle) but public? This scared the crap out of me!!!