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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:14 AM
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Bush Orders Syria out of Lebanon
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 11:16 AM by doxieone
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBJ7BZPT5E.html

Bush Orders Syria Out of Lebanon ANNE GEARAN Associated Press Writers

By Nedra Pickler and
Published: Mar 2, 2005






ARNOLD, Md. (AP) - President Bush on Wednesday demanded in blunt terms that Syria get out of Lebanon, saying the free world is in agreement that Damascus' authority over the political affairs of its neighbor must end now.
He applauded the strong message sent to Syria when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier held a joint news conference on London on Tuesday.

"Both of them stood up and said loud and clear to Syria, 'You get your troops and your secret services out of Lebanon so that good democracy has a chance to flourish," Bush said during an appearance at a community college in Maryland to tout his job training programs.

The world, Bush said, "is speaking with one voice when it comes to making sure that democracy has a chance to flourish in Lebanon."

The president's words, taken with those from Rice and others in the Bush administration this week, amount to the strongest pressure to date on Syria from Washington.


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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:17 AM
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1. Immanentizing The Eschaton
He's really, really trying his hardest to provoke another terror attack...
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:18 AM
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2. He really loves to start wars, doesn't he
Yes, George, fuel the fire and fan the flames! Sow seeds for another war. We've got a couple of thousand troops nearby that can support military action against a weak government.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:11 PM
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56. He doesn't have to fight them, so why not??
I really believe that Shrub gets up in the morning and says to himself, "What can I fuck up today?"

I really despise that man.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:18 AM
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3. Wouldn't it be great
if Syria demanded that Bush get out of Washington? Makes as much sense as him telling them what to do.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:47 AM
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28. this is what i was thinking!
why doesn't someone demand that bush get out of iraq?! get out of washington would be even better.....
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:03 PM
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34. Better yet, demand Bush get out of Iraq
That would make more sense.
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shochet Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:28 PM
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47. Too bad we can't get Bush out of Washington. Ha! (eom)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:31 PM
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49. I second the notion! n/t
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:18 AM
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4. Nice timing.
Right after we killed the guy who was negotiating with Syria to leave after he won the next election. Too bad for him he wasn't busholini's guy.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:33 AM
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23. OMG. Do you have a link for that? That's the first I've heard of it.
Are you saying Hariri was negotiating Syria's departure after he won the election? Is that true?
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:19 AM
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5. And what happens when Damascus says NO!
This lunatic bush just is not satisfied with a blood bath in Iraq, he wants to kill more people in Syria too.
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AntiSmirk Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:19 AM
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6. Didn't the Syrians already say they are leaving
So now Smirky will take credit for it when it happens.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:20 AM
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9. BINGO
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:57 AM
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30. yes they did...
yesterday. of course our whore media will fail to mention that and give chimpass** all of the credit. :eyes:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:22 PM
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45. What happens if Syria leaves?
A resumption of civil war?

An authoritarian Bush-friendly puppet government?
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chickenscratching Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:27 PM
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59. it's almost like....
playing with a little child....you prompt a childs motor skills: you ask a child to throw a ball in a cup, they don't quite make it so you toss it in there and give the child all the credit.....GOOD JOB GEORGIE! even though it was all over the news YESTERDAY, everything good in this world can be credited towards georgie boy jr.
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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:17 PM
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63. Reminds me Regan and Russia...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:01 PM
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32. Yep, but the Bush has to Cowboy Up for the MSM who forgets, you know
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:02 PM
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33. Yes I missed this post before I posted
see post #21

My heads is actually spinning. This is just too much.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:19 AM
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7. Not again
I'm so sick of war and the asshole's cowboy tactics. I think a lot of people feel the same. Don't be surprised if riots happen if Bush dares to start another war.
Let's not forget that for another war, Bush will need fresh meat -- i.e, the draft. I'm wondering how the young Repugs on campus are going to react when they learn they're the new meat needed for a new war.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:29 PM
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48. Riots overseas maybe
but never in the US of A. We have the MSM to tell us how great everything BushCo does is, and the people have CSI, Law and Order, and the Bachlorette to keep them rooted on their sofas. "Political action" for most people means putting a *&%$#@! magnetic ribbon on your car!
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:20 AM
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8. Nedra Pickler is at it again
Get a load of these unsourced, unattributed gems that are presented as fact in this "news" story:

The events also were an opening for the Bush administration to press its wider goal of democracy across the Middle East

All key Lebanese political decisions are assumed to have a stamp of approval from the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad. (assumed by whom? when?)

Apparently Ms. Pickler has time on her hands, now that she doesn't have John Kerry to slime anymore.


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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:21 AM
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10. Bush orders the sun to rise
and the sun obeys!
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:25 AM
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17. exactly. Bush orders winter to leave our land of the free. i bet it happen
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:35 AM
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25. Winter Be Gone!!
Within two months, OR ELSE! lol..
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:22 AM
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11. 'orders'?
Who in the fuck is he to 'order' another country to do *anything*? U.S. imperialism totally run amok....strutting little World Dictator.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:22 AM
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12. Oh Nedra, "Syria Orders U.S. Out of Iraq." So there!
One good occupation deserves another, no?
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:22 AM
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13. They already said they were leaving. he just wants credit when it happens.
Just like propping Reagan up next to the Wall then claiming he did it.
or when the Russian economy tanked because of union pressures, Reagan claimed responsibility for ending the cold war
or when Egypt was planning since Clinton to end their WMD program, bush takes credit for it.
this is just another smoke and mirror show by the GOP.

I will demand Syria leave Lebanon. so when they leave, do I get credit for it??? :dunce:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:23 AM
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14. Someone PLEASE IMPEACH these mother ruckers,...
,...before it's too freakin' late!!!
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:23 AM
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15. Syria orders
USA out of Iraq.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:24 AM
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16. Heil Bushler!
Need everyone forget that Lebanon flourished during the Syrian occupation and Lebanon was a democratic state under the prime minister. I've been watching the international news here in France and the fearful Syrian leaders questioning what possible motive they would have to provoke an attack by the US by assassinating a beloved prime minister and bombing Tel Aviv. Unfortunately, Iran gained the backing of Russia and Afghanistan needs Syria for their pipeline and voila, Syria is being blamed for all of the terrorist actions occuring at the moment. It just makes me sick.....:puke:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:28 AM
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18. Furherr Bush* orders?
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:13 PM
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58. I know...he orders the world around like he is the king.
He really is delusional. "I've got the biggest military so I get to be boss..."

What a dipshit.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:29 AM
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19. Since he thinks he got his mandate
he has done nothing but conjur up enemies of the state and demonize their leaders.

Canada, Russia, China, Syria, Venezuela,uses arrogance tactics in slovakia, new "enemies" we did not have before with evil leaders ready to attack the US--that is an exaggeration of course, but I am sure that his strutting cock rhetoric and tough guy stance will do more than resonate fear, vengeance and hatred amongst his followers in the US.

I read one freeper post on another forum and all it did was express utter joy at the way Bush "slapped Putin upside the head". Excuse me if I am ignorant, but Putin was never a person I considered our enemy.

He has left Mexico alone--so far--so far that it looks as if he actually is ignoring his good friend Fox.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:29 AM
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20. the Pickler Pickles Bush -- sounds like an ORDER for menage a lunacy
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:31 AM
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21. OMG! LOL Assad announced they were pulling out YESTERDAY
I heard it last night on the news. So W comes out today and DEMANDS that they do what they already announced they would. Wow what a leader.

Assad pledges Lebanon withdrawal
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4310699.stm
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AndrewJacksonFaction Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:13 PM
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38. The date says today 11:15 GMT
Are you going by GMT to say it was yesterday?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:22 PM
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44. GMT is 5 hours ahead of us so that was 6:15 this AM
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

That is when the story was posted. Assad announced it yesterday (at least in our sleeping hours)and it was reported this morning.
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AndrewJacksonFaction Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 02:00 PM
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62. Thanks
THis what I thought. Just wanted to be clear. Quick what is Zulu time? :D
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:06 PM
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54. Rove HAS to get shrubbya positioned as the savior
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:33 AM
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22. ME Demands US Get Out of Iraq / Afghanistan
make that most of the world demands US get out of Iraq.
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bbernardini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:35 AM
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24. I order Bush to get his head out of his ass. n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:38 AM
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26. If he hates Syria so much, why does he send terrorist suspects there...
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piece sine Donating Member (931 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:43 AM
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27. Is every single person at DU....
supportive of of Syria's de-facto occupation of Lebanon? Are we all that anti-Democratic? What's the deal? Are we pro-Democracy for only ourselves or is it simply that ANYTHING and EVERYTHING Bush does is wrong, whether it's actaully wrong or not?!

And if the Democratic Party doesn't stand for democracy, then what do we stand for? One way or anotheer, Bush is gone by 2008 -- and gone for good -- then what will DU stand for? Just remember tghat in 205, every single poster in this thread except me SUPPORTED Syria's occupation of neighboring Lebanon. Give me the willies just thinking how far so many DUers have fallen from grace.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:48 AM
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29. No No No
I, personally, don't support the Syrian occupation of Lebanon at all. Of course I want Democracy and self rule where ever possible no matter what form the government voted is.

See my post above. It's not about Syria pulling out it is about W DEMANDING something that has already been stated by Assad.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:09 PM
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36. People are saying what they are saying
because they do not feel Bush cares or has anything to do with what is happening in Lebanon right now. However Bush is trying to take credit from anything good that happens in the middle east as his doing.

They are faulting Bush's expoltation for political gain, not promoting Syrian involvement in Lebanon.

I hope Bush makes it clear violence lead by Syria influence will not be tolerated but I say consider the following possible scenario.

Bush wants to bomb Syria, politically it would make him look real good to the neo-cons and his idol Sharon. To do that, right now they have no support from anyone. But... and this is a big big BUT they may try to capitalize on the favorable sentimate towards the peoples movement in Lebanon right now as an excuse to attack Syria. How? They would say Syria (and they may not need to say, Syria may) is preparing to violently put down the people in Lebanon. This would be really stupid if they did and I don't think they would but Bush and co. may say it just to get the support needed to attack them.

Now if Syria really does strong arm Lebanon I would want the people there to have the US's support but if Syria is not doing anything wrong and is planning to pull out of Lebanon and the US lies about them doing something wrong (which their track record in this sort of thing isn't very good right now) that would not be in what I would consider the best spirit of moral American foreign policy.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:14 PM
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39. I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion
The way I'm reading most of these posts is as disgust with the assertion by the headline that Bush is ordering anything going on between Syria and Lebanon. If you read a little more closely, any number of posts have made the point that Syria's withdrawal from Lebanon seems to be happening and the implication is that Bush is taking credit for the phenomenon. I haven't read anything that says that Syria should continue to oppress its neighboring country.

The writer of the piece, Nedra Pickler, has a rather lengthy history as a court stenographer for the corrupt Bush administration, and her assertion that Syria's withdrawal should be interpreted only as their meekly obeying a command from Bush is laughable on its face.

Bush is scrambling quickly, trying to appear to be ahead of events, and media whores like Pickler are more than happy to carry the water. Yes, Bush will be gone in 2008 -- we should all hope -- but the Bush administration has a lengthy history of using events for political advantage. Calling the administration and its media mouthpieces to task for their blatant dissembling doesn't mean anyone wants to continue to see Syria dominate Lebanon, but is an expression of our desire not to see whatever it is Bush hopes to use this event as a springboard for. We're just sawing off the diving board as a preemptive measure.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:19 PM
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42. Ahem. I'm familiar with "political dissidents are terrorist supporters".
Edited on Wed Mar-02-05 12:20 PM by Just Me
Now, I get to hear that political dissidents are anti-democracy?

Bullshit. I am sick to death of that crap!!!! :puke:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:49 PM
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60. It's better than an Israeli occupation of Lebanon.
It's a buffer against Israeli expansionism. It's crude, but one must understand the historical roots in the 1970s civil war instigated by the Israelis through their support of fascist-Falangist death squads. If a Democrat were president, I would have the same position. Many progressives disagree with the bipartisan establishment on Israel-Palestine and associated issues.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:00 PM
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31. What an arrogant fool!
Syria already said their pulling out of Lebanon, so the chimp takes the opportunity to pretend it's by his order????
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:05 PM
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35. I suspect that the CIA/pentagon has a hand in all this "democracy"
The "demonstrations" seem suspicious also. As usual, time will tell.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:09 PM
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37. If you really want to puke--watch CNN cover this.
Last night, I heard a CNN teaser for a segment they are doing today, "Was the president right all along? Is Democracy flourishing throughout the Middle East? Has President Bush planted seeds of Democracy that will spread freedom to the Middle East?"

My jaw dropped when I heard this.

How can the media be such willing accomplices? Do they understand that they are supposed to report the "news", and not acts as public-relations agents for this administration?

He'll get credit for this. Just watch.

And anyone who understands the truth will be positioned as a liberty-hating sourpuss who love terrorists.

As Bill the Cat would say, "Ackkk Phtttpt!"
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:00 PM
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53. Nightline last nght...........
Was also doing a story on whether George Bush's middle east war was spreading democracy throughtout. I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I just about puked when Condaleeza Rice came on to gush that, yes, our policies are working. I had to turn it off.

I am scared to death. Remember, this was supposed to be about weapons of mass destruction, a war on terror. As we all know it has never been about these things so they had to morph it into fighting tyranny and spreading democracy. Now, that has become the original intent, because people are just too damn stupid to realize the ploy.

Not only that, we have congressmen and senators for both sides of the aisle seemingly pushing for conflict with Syria and Iran, such as Hillary Clinton. You would think after Iraq that these people would be wary of anything ths administration says about these countries, but yet here we are again, setting the stage for more conflict with complicity of the same people.

That brings me to the conclusion that most of our representatives know what is really going on and don't want to stop it.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:14 PM
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40. Or what?
Will we send in the Coast Guard? Will we contract with China or India for boots on the ground? Will the Boy Scouts be pressed into service?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:16 PM
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41. Orders???
how in the hell can he order any other country what to do?............he is not the all mighty world leader he wants to be........and its about time other countries band together and stand up against the "Evil American Tyrant"
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DemsUnite Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:21 PM
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43. Are Palestinians Worthy of Middle East Democracy, George? n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:24 PM
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46. Black Pot, .Meet Black Kettle.
As I recall, the U.S. FAVORED Syrian intervention in the 80's after we got our butt kicked in Beirut and Ronnie turned tail and ran. Am I wrong about this?
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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:35 PM
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50. He is psychotic.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:42 PM
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51. I'm sorry, is Bush pResident of the whole freakin' universe too?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:58 PM
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52. Shit! Our unemployment rate is just starting to slip and he's at it again!
Do we NEED another war? All hell is STILL breaking loose in Iraq. Do we really need to attack a country that can actually fight back? Bush is perhaps trying to personally hasten HIS view of the rapture, perhaps.. by destroying the world in a few short years.
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yo-yo-ma Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:07 PM
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55. "orders"
It's not simply the issue of his hubris and imperial over reach (which we know), but rather the media reporting it as such. Bush didn't say, "I order Syria," he just acts like a tyrant -- and the press eats it up.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:11 PM
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57. You must obey all commandments of the "Burning Bush" or be destroyed.
:nuke:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:59 PM
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61. And when will U.S. authority over Iraq's political affairs end
especially now that there have been elections? When are we getting OUR troops and your secret service out so democracy should have a chance to flourish there?

:headbang:
rocknation
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:28 PM
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64. "Good democracy"?
Get out so that "good democracy has a chance to flourish", as opposed to what? Bad democracy? Is that what we have in Iraq and the U.S.?
Personally, I like how the Russians thumbed their nose at Bush last week. I think the rest of the world has had just about enough of his temper tantrums and bullying.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:32 PM
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65. You know. "Good democracy." The Diebold kind!
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Nikepallas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:48 PM
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66. I think Bush is going to get his war with Iran by Picking on Syria
And this time BUSH will have a willing partner by way of Israel.


Just the way he is stepping things up makes me nervous. I think the June timetable has been scrapped due to his little faux pas about how "He is not planning to attack Iran...having said that all options are on the table". He knew he just showed the rest of the world leaders his poker hand in a sense NOW he needs to find another way to bluff out of this.


Only this time I fear Russia will get involved indirectly and really cause nuclear trouble.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 03:53 PM
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67. This is b*sh's wagon.
He'll pressure Syria to withdraw then attack them when they begin their retreat. Then WW 3 or 4 or whatever will start.
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