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zapp Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 07:36 PM
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AP Poll Shows Concern About Homelessness
By The Associated Press

American public opinion on homelessness, from an Associated Press Poll conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs Feb. 11-13 among 1,001 adults (sampling error plus or minus 3 percentage points):



1. How serious is the problem of homelessness in this country? Is it very serious, somewhat serious, not too serious, or not at all serious? ............

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050226/ap_on_re_us/homeless_poll
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 07:41 PM
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1. The problem is that homelessness "IS" disenfranchisement
In a healthy society, a homeless person retains their civil rights,
but in "ours" those rights are contingent on a home. This makes the
issue of principal concern to anyone supporting democracy.
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Us vs Them Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 07:42 PM
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2. I honestly cant leave the house without being panhandled for money
It really bothers me to have to turn a majority of them down (for the sake of my own survival). It also really bothers me that they are forced to function in a society that would rather see them freeze to death than have to 'deal' with them.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 07:49 PM
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3. They must be seeing the effect of Bush's domestic policy.
AARP (old folks) is next!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 07:58 PM
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4. Actually, the problem started with Reagan
although the seeds had been sown some years earlier, as misguided but well intentioned civil liberties lawyers tried to get people released from state mental institutions to the community, which was supposed to provide services for them.

Well, the state hosptials closed and the local services never materialized.

Enter Reagan and his tax cuts to the best off, and his tax increases on the rest of us. That spurred a wave of gentrification in the inner city, and that forced a lot of really marginal workers out of their homes and onto the street as mansions turned into rooming houses became mansions once again.

Those of us who were adults before Reagan remember that the homeless were few, usually skid row alcoholics who'd been unable to panhandle enough for a fleabag hotel for the night and those who didn't have a military or civilian pension to keep them in rundown rooming houses. With Reagan we saw first homeless marginal workers, then homeless families whose adult members were employed but not earning enough to afford housing.

It's going to get worse before it gets better. We have another 3 years before we can rid ourselves of this scum, unless a depression and major war wake the heartland dimwits out of their mass hypnosis.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:11 PM
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5. I'm one of those who is old enough to remember......
the pre-Reagan era. And you are absolutely correct about what you said. Homelessness was rampant once Reagan's economic policies hit and it is hitting again because of the same policies.

I doubt seriously if the majority of Americans really care about homelessness. They just pay lip service to it and give a gentle tsk-tsk when hearing about it. Same goes for the death and destruction of Iraq. They slap a stupid magnet on their car and that assuages their guilt.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:22 PM
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9. Bush is doing Reaganomics but in a way vastly more
destructive because of the trade agreements, the jobs going overseas, etc. that's happening now. We will never recover from what is happening now. The only reason homelessness isn't worse is that people are moving in with relatives, friends, etc.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 02:26 AM
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15. "We will never recover from what is happening now."
That's what I fear, and a lot of people have no idea of just how hard it is to get a job now.




"Prosperity is just around the corner." -- Herbert Hoover
"The economy has turned a corner." -- GW Bush

Herbert Hoover = GW Bush

Neither man cared about the Depression their economic policies created.

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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:54 AM
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18. And the media doesn't talk too much about it either.
But I think the people can see it for themselves, especially if they know someone who lost their job and has been unemployed or forced to work at at a Wal-Mart type job. In America we have the "out of sight, out of mind" mentality. People think there must be something wrong with you if you can't get a good paying job.

Yes, we truly have become (in four years under Dopey) a country of those who are very, very comfortable and those who just make ends meet.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:25 AM
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20. just in software alone, 400,000 jobs have gone to Asia. I see
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 09:26 AM by barb162
some very highly-educated people working part-time at Home Depot,Menards, the grocery stores, etc. because they can't find anything else. There's a man in my town who started a web site on what is happening just to software people. He has been out of work a few years and he used to make way over a 100,000 per year. We are basically giving away our technology and firing tech people and shipping it all overseas so corporations can make more money. The next advances in science and tech wont be coming from the USA as the highly-educated and trained science and tech people are working 3 part-time jobs bagging groceries. In the long run we are taking a disastrous course.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:32 PM
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10. I certainly remember pre-Reagan times.
Life was much different back then.

(Oh, and let's not forget about GHW Bush's “thousand points of light” crap.)
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:32 AM
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21. my favorite memory of Bush1 was when he was in a JC Penney
store trying to get people to buy gloves to get the economy moving again.
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:12 PM
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6. I do some volunteer work at a homeless shelter in west of Chicago
Most of the people in the shelter work. Most work full-time. What the GOP tax cut at all cost rhetoric forgets is taxes are a small part of everyones income. Our standards of living would be far better off if wages go up rather then if taxes go down.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:37 AM
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22. taax cuts didn't work under Reagan, Bush 1 and they're not
working now except for the rich. Supply side economics was proven ineffective under Reagan (even Stockman admitted it)and they don't care as it benefits the rich at the expense of the rest of America.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:41 AM
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23. Just about the only jobs being created are low-pay retail jobs
and I wish Wall Street would concentrate on the monthly job numbers more and I wish they would be pointing out that we are nowhere near the promised 320,000 jobs per month Bush said would be created with his damn tax cuts. The composition of the jobs being created are really mostly low paying.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:24 PM
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7. Well just add just a dash of conservative dogma, and a pinch of Christian
fundamentalist morality to the problem and all will be well. "We don't have to worry about the homeless because it is their fault they are homeless not ours. Beside we have a much worse problem with gays wanting to get married."


I sometimes thing the right believes like Scrooge. "If they'd rather die then let them be about it and help to reduce the surplus population."
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:12 PM
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8. Reagan equated the rich with Godliness
The poor were lazy and deserved what they get according to him and today's neocons.

The Bible says we will be judged by how we treat the least amongst us. There is also Christ's Golden Rule. The GOP's definition of Christianity has nothing to do with Biblical teachings.
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parsifal_e Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 11:54 PM
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11. How can....
How come the richest country in the world has even one single homeless person.... what a disgrace.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:32 AM
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12. True
Kuwaitis are all given a home at the age of 21 and given a annual income. They hire "migrants" for housekeeping and landscaping purposes. They have free health care for all.

Maybe I'll apply as a job for a housekeeper in Kuwait so I can have health coverage. Evidently the corporate globalist pipeline who feeds the Bush family also feeds them. Maybe they will share the crumbs.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:34 AM
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13. I doubt that most people really care
they are just telling the pollster what they think they should say. Most people I know, when asked about the homeless who panhandle here, say they should get a job.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:37 AM
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14. As the article pointed out
many who sleep in the homeless shelters have a job with deficient pay.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 03:12 AM
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16. Homelessness is a huge problem
This country has it's priorities so hopelessly screwed up, I don't know what it's going to take to become a civilized nation. We are supposed to be the richest country in the world, but the fact that the bulk of the wealth is held by a relative few make this meaningless.

We have homeless elderly, mentally ill, families with children, people who had jobs, and lost them, causing them to lose their homes, and some who just never had an upbringing that did a blessed thing to see that they were prepared to be self supporting in this world.

Perhaps some of the fundies who spend so much time telling women what they may, or may not, decide concerning their own bodies and destinies, could put forth the same amount of effort to eradicate homelessness. After all, they claim that all life is sacred, which automatically includes people unfortunate enough to live on the streets and look for meals in dumpsters.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:33 PM
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27. The fastest growing demographic among the homeless:
Single mothers and their kids.

And, it may be that the poll numbers have changed because more people are worried about going homeless themselves.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 03:34 AM
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17. But Bush Says We have a Great Economy
and he's brought us out of a depression. His sycophants agree with him 100%. Roughly translated (sweep the poor, the sick, and the kids under the rug) and enjoy our economy! Don't give them a 2nd thought.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:44 AM
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24. Bush could not possibly have passed a basic economics class
and he got through school just being "passed" because his father was important. He literally knows nothing about basic economics;if he did he wouldn't be running these incredible deficits
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:10 AM
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19. Housing used to be MUCH cheaper relative to income.
Maybe some economist can tell me why rents/housing cost so much more -- is it something to do with low interest rates driving the housing boom? I have no idea.

But a cheap, decent apartment is a thing of the past.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:35 PM
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28. In the 70s, people budgeted 1/4 of their income for housing.
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 12:35 PM by sfexpat2000
Now, isn't it much higher than that? Nearly half?
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Jamel Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 11:07 AM
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25. IF BUSH WERE BLACK OR POOR
He'd be in jail, in the streets or 6 feet under. If anyone has a personality of failure, it's him, and he would be the perfect example of the very few people who DESERVE to be poor. He's a "priveleged deadbeat", and he shows disdain for anyone who doesn't have his good fortune.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:01 PM
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26. Homelessness has changed
It is no longer the stereotype alcoholic hobo. These are working class families and elderly who cannot afford the high rent costs.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 12:36 PM
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29. True...
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 12:42 PM by stepnw1f
Just this morning I was driving my girlfriend to work when we came upon a homeless drunken man wearing military fatigue on the corner of the street we were on. I looked up into my rear-view mirror and there an older man in his late thirties was making fun of the guy. A young boy about 12 sat next to him on the passenger side, probably his son, laughing along with him. Note: nothing like making Daddy proud.

Now I know where these assholes on the right get their information and attitude towards the world from.

And yes he had a big American flag on the back of his truck.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:11 PM
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30. Grrrr
I almost got myself beat up once for tearing a new one in some rich white frat boy who was throwing coins at a homeless guy -- told him he was a worthless piece of shit. Didn't go over well.

:shrug:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 01:48 PM
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31. It Was Worth It
People need to make a stand regardless of fear. Good job!!!
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