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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:02 AM
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Gosselin (MI) proposes Commandments display (with support of some Dem's)
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 02:09 AM by truthpusher
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/021905/loc_20050219032.shtml


Gosselin proposes Ten Commandments display

Web-posted Feb 19, 2005

By SVEN GUSTAFSON
Of The Daily Oakland Press

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Republican Rep. Bob Gosselin of Troy has introduced a House resolution that would recommend the Michigan Capitol Committee, which oversees maintenance of the Capitol building and grounds, create a permanent, public display of the Ten Commandments inside the Capitol.

Appearing Sunday on the public television program "Off the Record," Granholm, a Democrat, said she would not be opposed to having such a display inside the Capitol building. But she later added she was not interested in violating the U.S. Constitution.

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Gosselin introduced the resolution late Thursday.

"In 30 minutes, we got 26 people signed on" as co-sponsors, including some Democrats, he said.

Gosselin said creating such a display would have "historic and cultural value" for children and families who visit the statehouse. He said the Ten Commandments deserve to be displayed along with documents such as the Declaration of Independence and the Magna Carta.

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http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/021905/loc_20050219032.shtml
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:06 AM
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1. This story is obviously a vicious lie!
Michigan is a "blue state" and everyone knows that this sort of thing only happens in places like Mississippi!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:07 AM
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2. I find this obscene.
And they're MY goddamn commandments. I don't know what the Christians are doing, nosing around in the Old Testament. Not their frickin' book.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:25 AM
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4. Exactly.
They aren't Christian commandments, they're Jewish

Christians get the Sermon on the Mount.

I don't notice that on display ANYwhere.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:24 AM
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3. I think they should display THIS
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_032700_religiousrig.htm

Religious Rights

The U.S. government has always valued religious freedom. The freedom to worship is a right that is basic to our national life and history. Ironically, however, the colonizers who first came to North America to escape religious persecution routinely violated the religious freedom of the continent's native people. This practice devastated Native American communities, whose strong religious beliefs underlay all aspects of their lives and cultures. European colonizers perceived native cultures as barbaric and godless, and therefore felt justified in condemning and destroying them.

The denial of Indian religious liberty arose from the clash of European and Native American worldviews. Christian colonizers evaluated Indian religions from the perspective of their own particular faiths. They searched for sacred texts, written histories, and church institutions in Indian societies, and were appalled when tribal religions did not display these characteristics. Because the colonizers failed to recognize the complexity, diversity, and richness of native religions, they intruded upon Indian religious rights without feeling any guilt or self-doubt.

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Nineteenth-century Americans expected the federal government to follow the colonial tradition of suppressing tribal religions, and thus to "civilize" native people. Through the Civilization Act of 1819, the government agreed to subsidize missionaries in their civilizing efforts and to support the active destruction of native religions. In 1870 President Grant's "Peace Policy" expanded this federal support by inviting Christian denominations to nominate people to serve as federal agents to the tribes. Under this policy entire Indian nations were placed under the administrative control of particular churches, many of which had had no previous contact with the tribes they were selected to oversee. President Grant's own denomination, the Methodists, received the "rights" to several agencies.

Government persecution of native religions accelerated in the late nineteenth century. U.S. forces killed Sioux Ghost Dance participants at Wounded Knee, South Dakota, in 1890, and two years later arrested Ghost Dance leaders in Oklahoma. On most reservations the federal Indian Office's Courts of Indian Offenses investigated, convicted, and punished natives who persisted in following their ancient tribal religions. The Sun Dance, for example, which had long sustained a variety of Plains groups, was deemed offensive and was banned.

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In the past five hundred years Indians have fought many battles, both to defend their right to worship and to have their religions be accepted by the Christians who live among them. Unfortunately, however, Indian religions have been actively hindered or only partially protected. Nevertheless, irrespective of this sad history of governmental insensitivity, the struggle for Indian religious freedom continues, fueled by a belief that the defense of religious liberty will ensure the preservation of all ways of life.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:34 AM
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5. interestingly enough...
the colonizers who came to "escape religious persecution" were assholes. they were puritans, possibly the most narrow-minded breed of religion: calvinism. the british got sick of hearing them bitch and moan about anything and everything that (the brits) did, and encouraged them to leave. (i mean, honestly: the puritans wanted to ban the plays of will shakespeare! not to say that shakespeare's plays were totally and completely moral...but still. the puritans had some issues. BIG issues.)

and of course, the born-again stuff that is practiced by much of the power structure of our gov't: surprise surprise, has calvinist roots! namely: the "rapture", wherein the "chosen ones" of god will be whisked away. everyone else can burn in hell. only the elites of the religious are accepted in.

we've come full-circle.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:39 AM
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6. What would happen if we said, "ok, go ahead?"
Well, then what would they do next. Something, I'm sure, that would be "over the line" with more of the US than is currently opposed to this, right? Opinion moves against them, as they push "the next steps."

And, under the Constitution and recognized freedom of religion, any other religion would have a right to have their creed enshried inside the capital, right?

Where would this whole thing go if they simply were allowed to do it?

Its still scary as hell.

I don' t think these super patriots and their super president like our Constitution too much.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 10:48 AM
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7. This is part of the rightwing "Bring Back Blue Laws" campaign.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 11:46 AM
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8. Do the Republicans do this so they can count how many they violate
every day? This is disgusting!
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