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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:23 PM
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Jay Has Own Plan For Social Security
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 05:40 PM by Petrushka
Suggests tax cuts should fund shortfall
by Joselyn King, Political Writer

WHEELING -- U.S. Sen. Jay Rockefeller said in Wheeling Friday that he has a plan to shore up the future of Social Security. At the same time, he also is certain the system doesn't yet need to be fixed.

"The president has asked for ideas," said Rockefeller, D-W.Va., a member of the Senate Finance Committee. "This is a way to solve the problem of Social Security once and for all. It's incredibly simple, and it's my idea."
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http://www.theintelligencer.net/news/story/0212202005_new/jay.asp
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:24 PM
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1. broken link
page not found... I'd really like to hear the idea!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:26 PM
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2. new link
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:34 PM
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4. thanks-- that worked
" President Bush plans to implement $11.1 trillion in tax cuts, he said. It also is suggested by experts that adding $3.7 trillion to the Social Security system will assure its future indefinitely.

Instead of returning the money to taxpayers, Rockefeller proposes taking $3.7 trillion from funds set aside for tax cuts and putting it toward the Social Security system. This would leave about two-thirds of the money that still could be used for tax cuts and refunds."

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"As for the tax cuts, those most likely to benefit are those earning at least $300,000 annually, he said.

Only about 6,000 West Virginians receiving Social Security would qualify.

"I would be one of them," Rockefeller acknowledged. "But I think I can make it without it (the tax cut)."


Why, that's SOCIALISM! Ask the wealthy to help the working class by directing a small percentage of their tax cuts into social security?

Excellent idea.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:32 PM
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16. great plan!
I hope others listen to this idea. The rich won't even notice the difference.

and ... best of all social security will and can be saved forever!

Jay Rockefeller :loveya:

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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:43 PM
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7. Thank you! It's fixed now . . . 3rd time's the charm! LOL (n/t)
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 05:43 PM by Petrushka
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:37 PM
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24. The tax cuts nor the SS expense is part of Shrubs budget!
Nor is the expense of the wars that we are constantly seeking more money for!

It's insane to even discuss the SS plan, or anything else until the Feds get with the whole program! I've put many budgets together, and NEVER have I seen so many things NOT IN THE BUDGET that you already know are expenses.

I'm so disgusted with this whole Federal Government! They're all trying to scam the people.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:32 PM
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3. snazzy
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 05:32 PM by mulethree
Instead of raising taxes, he gets to cancell a planned future tax cut
and redirect the funds from 'paying for tax cuts' to 'paying to fix SSA'.

No new tax, frames tax cuts as something that has to be paid for - an expense.

He mentions it as the 4th tax cut. Perhaps the expensive 3rd tax cut can be 'cut' as an expensive 'program' in order to reduce deficits?
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:35 PM
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5. Could work..
Oh what the hell let's try it.:thumbsup:
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:21 PM
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12. You are far too logical! n/t
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:41 PM
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6. Sanity makes a long awaited appearance in the SS "debate"...
Thanks, Senator. :thumbsup:
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:54 PM
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25. I've long respected Rockefeller, for his commitment to the people of W.Va.
I will write and thank him for this.

I also wrote and thanked the editor who wrote this article.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:45 PM
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8. Bring it on, Jay R! n/t
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:02 PM
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9. kick
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:06 PM
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10. there you go
SS all fixed................SS would be fixed.the uppers would still get some tax cuts............but will bush listen to this and will the higher up incomers be able to live with their smaller tax cut????LOL
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:41 PM
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11. Only ten people showed up for his Town Hall Mtg?
More people would benefit from this worthy idea, especially in WV.

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About 406,000 West Virginians receive Social Security benefits. As many as 64 percent receive these as retirement benefits, while others are survivors of benefactors or the disabled, according to Rockefeller.

As for the tax cuts, those most likely to benefit are those earning at least $300,000 annually, he said.

Only about 6,000 West Virginians receiving Social Security would qualify.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:33 PM
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17. Town Hall Meeting?
Maybe Rockefeller expected his constituents in these here parts to be psychic? Like: If a "Town Hall Meeting" hadn't been mentioned in this news article, we still wouldn't know about it.
:shrug:
Nevertheless, Jay's idea is a good one--the best one I've seen thus far.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:33 PM
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13. Perfect. The American people will support this plan.
When it comes to tax cuts for the rich or fixing SS, the American people will always pick the latter.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:52 PM
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14. I heard Jay on the radio Friday. I believe GWB sort of said
this in his 2000 campaign. At that time I believe GWB said he would take 1/3 of the Clinton surplus and use it to fund SS. That was his response to Al Gore's (Lock Box), of course he forgot about that 1/3 and gave it away along with the other 2/3 to his pals too.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 09:54 PM
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15. "Here's my solution for Social Security..I'm a Rockefeller, I should know.
What an ad campaign. Jay coming on like this and just slamming * with this simple solution. It would make points on multiple levels but really hit the boomer generation and up since "Rockefeller" is associated with Rich. Here's Mr. Richy Rich telling Mr. Nouveau Riche (Bush) that the wealthy can pay for this and not lost much sleep.

Think about it.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:38 PM
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18. Oh, but--BUT--what about the Bush twins' future? ! [smirk] (n/t)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:08 PM
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20. There is always the House of Saud trust fund. I'm applying myself.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:07 PM
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19. go for it, jay
nad i just might forgive you for that iraq war vote some day...
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hezekkia Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:18 PM
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21. give 'em hell, Jay!
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 11:19 PM by hezekkia


nice sweater, btw. teehee.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:29 PM
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22. It makes way too much sense for junior to understand.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:31 PM
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23. It's so simple and it sounds like it could work.
The average joe can understand it without a lesson in higher math. I do believe the American People would support something like this.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 12:43 AM
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26. .
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