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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:03 PM
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Social Security revamp a long-standing dream among conservatives
WASHINGTON — The argument for dramatic change in Social Security is clear:

The promise of secure retirements is a "hoax." Taxes paid by workers are "wasted" by the government rather than invested prudently. And "the so-called reserve fund ... is no reserve at all" because it contains nothing but government IOUs.

President Bush? No, Republican presidential candidate Alf Landon and his party's platform in 1936.

Bush's proposal to overhaul Social Security is the product of a conservative dream to undo the system that's as old as the program itself.

more....
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002172399_conservatives06.html
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jarab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:06 PM
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1. According to the article ...
the real push has been since about 1980 - Libertarians and the Cato people.
...O...
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Repugs hate it that SSI is was a Democratic idea, they want old folks to
get a check and open it and say "Thank you Republican party for this undeserved bounty of compassion"

They have managed to set back the program and put it where it is by removing government workers from it and part time workers also.

they simply hate it because they think the people who get the check associate it with the Democratic party... that is it..also because they thing the rich republicans could use that money and do better things with it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. The flipside of that is blaming the Democrats for the payroll tax.
The Reagan-era "fix" to Social Security was Machiavellian - deliberately loaded with tax rate increases far more onerous than needed in the context of other adjustments. It's easier to capsize a rowboat by saying "all aboard!" than by lifting on the gunwhales.

The Social Security system is still a "supply side" problem. The "Bottom 80%" of earned income has been losing its share of the national income for nearly 30 years. The federal minimum wage is the lowest in 50 years. Despite adjustments, the aggregate payroll tax base has been shrinking - 10% of $85 will always be less than 9% of $100.
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Of course the other side to our math is that to fix SS all we need do is
raise wages for those on the bottom 80% of incomes.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:27 PM
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9. That's right. The SS Solution: Increase the Wage Base
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 02:31 PM by TahitiNut
The SS Aggregate Wage Base = Number of People Employed x Average Wage

(1) Return to Full Employment - The Plantation Enronomics of the Bushoilini Regime has wiped out the 10 million jobs that would normally be created merely through population growth in the last four years. Despite the Fascist attempts to cook the books, the BLS shows there are fewer people employed in the Private Sector today than there were at the end of the Clinton/Gore administration.







(2) Return To Fair Labor Compensation - The "Bottom 80%" of working Americans take home a 20% smaller share of the National Income today than 30 years ago. The Federal Minimum Wage lower today than it has been in 50 years.






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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 05:47 PM
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18. Great graphs!
Are the URLs correct? Do these charts have data with them or are they just displayed as a graphic? I have been trying lately to get inflation adjusted non-farm non-supervisory incomes of the BLS site, to no avail. I think they may have scraped them. I know I can do my own adjusting, but hell I'm just lazy.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. The URLs indicate where I get the data.
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 07:12 PM by TahitiNut
I do the graphs in Excel myself. I do inflation adjustments myself from the CPI-U (82-84 series). I've been monitoring labor, budget, and economic data for over 6 years ... just for grins (or scowls).
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
16.  war & tax cuts = huge deficits = starvation of "the beast" (the New Deal)
these people long ago gave the nick-name "The Beast"to FRD's New Deal
they actualy use these words "starve the beast" when refering to dismantling 70 years worth of legistrative safety nets for America's most vunerable citizens (the elderly, the children and the poor) and all of FDR's social programs...." they (the conservatives) believe and teach "it is immoral to give people things they have not earned, because then they will not develope discipline and will become both dependent and immoral."the James Dobson's "strict father model/theory of christian discipline. :scared:

This model/theory says that social programs are immoral because they make people dependent. Promoting social programs is immoral.

they are a well organized and a very wealthy and heavily funded ...we had better start working on our own orgs and think tanks NOW ! it will take many years to catch up and undo the damage done to our country and the entire world by these savages
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Isn't CATO funded by the Koch family, the super-rich
oil barons.

I have a family tree of the Bush family in my wills and estates class, and I noticed that one of the Bush brothers (GHW, that is) married a Koch.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Dubya's sister Dorothy
married a Koch in 1992.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:27 PM
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3. If FDR is considered one of the best Presidents for starting Social
Security, will the President that ends Social Security be considered one of the worst? I hope I live long enough to see how History judges this band of thieves.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:41 PM
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5. "Revamp" and "overhaul" and "undo" = "destroy"
I'm getting thru to some of the "the-government-wouldn't-do-that" crowd, but gawd, it's slow going.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:36 PM
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8. I remember a local Repug party leader waving a flier in my face
that lined out their goals and the top one was dismantling and privatizing Social Security and this was 6 years ago!!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:00 PM
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10. The Response to SS Program is a
perfect example of philosophical difference between the two parties.
Rugged individualism is Republican Mantra. Personal Responsiblity
is the natural outgrowth. Freedom includes the ability to make and spend your own money as you see fit. Tie Family values into all of this and you find it is up to each family to provide and take care of their own. Among some particulary from the South--"We will take care of Mama" but no one else"s mama.

Liberalism tends to think in terms of common good. They are not usually willing to be satisfied to have a country in which you have a small portion of the country holding all the wealth and masses of people are working poor to destitute. Therefore sharing through social insurance programs is appealing to them.

Republicans see this as taking from the Rich to give to poor--Redistribution is anathema. and has aways been.
Social Security in their mind is just a big Redistribution
Scheme. This why SS payments have been capped at 99K annually.
People like Gates pay on only 99K of their income. If Middle Clas want
these programs let them pay for them.

The Irony is they have no compunction when poor and middle clas
support (taxes) are payed to the Rich. Using SS Sjurplus to offset
the cost of war and taxcuts.

It boils down to rugged indiviualism versus common good.




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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. But it's FAKE "Rugged Individualism"....
Bush has never taken "personal responsibility" for anything in his miserable life.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. "rugged indiviualism" is a republican marketing scam!
rugged indiviualism
Republican Style
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. The most insatiable "welfare class" is the wealthy.
These are the plantation owners, getting fatter and fatter from the labors of others on the land that they got from their ancestors ... who got it from the King. It's multi-generational entitlement.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 07:31 PM
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23. "Rugged individualism" sounds nice to the brain dead freeper.
Just more propaganda by the plutocrats and monarch wannabes.

They want the poor to become serfs while they maintain hereditary power. They spout "rugged individualism" while they seek to maintain power by doing nothing more than being born rich.
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WJB Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:12 PM
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11. The Reality of the SS game.

In a message dated 2/4/05 6:35:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, gclari@(SNIP).com writes:

> Walter:
>
> What do you think of Galveston County in Texas and Chile in the
> management of their retirement funds?
>
> Gary Cauchi
> Sanger, California
>

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WALTER BURIEN'S REPLY
----------------------------------------



Mr. Cauchi:


Never looked at, and have not heard anything about what you asked before.

So I just did a Google search on < Galveston County Texas retirement fund > and got 42300 hits per their privatization of SS for "County" government employees.

I looked and the articles are about three counties that bumped SS for a pension style management.

The key to your question is answered by "who" did this and "who" was it for?

It was three "government" entities for themselves, and I will quote from two paragraph clips below in my article posted at; http://cafr1.com/SS.html

#1: If the public starts trading their SS funds, government management is no longer in a conflict of interest. Then government's "other" managed funds are now free to take advantage of the public's ignorance in trading funds and thus the public except for a rare few can say bye, bye to their account balances after the trap is sprung and market losses orchestrated by our own government eats the public alive.

And:

#2: Look closely at the State Retirement Fund CAFRs after 911. As the public's 401K plans for the next two years shot for the floor with an overall loss on average of 40% to 60% of their values, the numerous State retirement fund multibillion dollar portfolios made a very good profit. The pre 911 annual returns were from 23% to 14% and then averages post 911 went to 12% to 5% annual returns. I have not yet seen one State Government Retirement Fund to date that had a net loss after 911.

-----------------

So, when fishing what do you do to catch the minnows?

You throw chum out in the water to start the minnows feeding, then comes the net, then the minnows are caught, and you do with them as you will.

Or, in other words what I said in #1 above, having the effect of what I said in #2 above.

The KEY to success or failure for the public is; What side of the fence will their funds be managed on?

Myself having been a Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA) of 14 years 1978-1992, and the National Sales Manager for the US Trading Championship, US Investing Championship, and Money Managers Verified Ratings for 10 years 1982-1992, I have watched the Big Fish, herd, bait, and eat the minnows very consistently for quite a few years.

So, the real question is; Will the management of the public's funds be in the top of the food chain or at the bottom? Results are the only thing important in reality. Whether it be to meet SS benefits, or as I have proposed with the CAFR1 Plan to make government self sufficient without Taxation.

The markets in all respects for the public have developed into an insider manipulation "winner" takes from the "looser" scenario, or the Vegas mentality of the House (Institutional) taking from the Foolish (the public).

This is not what it should be, or could be. With the dollar being a productivity backed currency, "THE PRODUCTIVITY" should be the determining factor of profit or loss in the markets. With the US Economy being a ten Trillion dollar a year economy, and the value of US possessions being astronomical, productivity results properly managed through return can fund and drive SS and all of government's budgetary requirements without taxation through the CAFR1 Plan.

As I brought forward in #2 above, Government Pension Fund management in adverse conditions on average did rather well after 911 Vs the public's 401K plans on average being slammed to the floor.

Here the answer, solution, and final effect is clear per funding SS or in fact funding government's ongoing budgetary needs using the "Pension Fund Management Principle."

If the exact same pooled management having commingled averages with the funds coming from the model of government pensions was used, then yes you can expect the results to be productive and positive to meet their end need.

The disadvantage to the public that has existed for the last 100 years is that of the predator fish (government Institutional Fund Management) and the minnows (the Public's dismal results and losses in trading the markets -- investing) has to be taken out of the scenario for the final ends of productive results for SS or the CAFR1 Plan to be beneficial to the public and not just become another feeding grounds for the predator fish.

The model used and the same in "participation" fund management is where the success or failure rests.

I hope my comments above have answered your question.

Yours Truly,

Walter J. Burien, Jr.
http://CAFR1.com



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WJB Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Follow The Money!

Take a look at the scope of the financial takeover by local governments!



When looking at the "Gross" income of government, only 1/3rd is from Tax income. Now the "Budget Report" that is given to the public for their consumption and in all reality deception will give the appearance government is operating primarily from tax income. But, when you look at the same entities CAFR (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) or Government's Annual Financial Report similar to what a Public Corporation gives to their shareholders each year by mandatory SEC law, it will show the gross receipts and gross income from "ALL" operations!!!

GOVERNMENT’S C A F R


(COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT)



Most files are Acrobat .pdf files, some are MSWord .doc files for downloading. If the link ends in .html you will reach a web site. If the link ends in .pdf it will start downloading the file when clicked.

If the link has changed, just use the first part of the address and then use the "Search" feature on that site to find the CAFR.

The year of the CAFR in most cases can be seen in the address. I recommend looking at the Statistical Section first.

The Public started to learn the game in 1998 through the efforts of http://CAFR1.com Changes were then made to CAFR accounting shown starting in 1999 through GASB transmittal letters 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and 36. GET BACK ISSUES! 1999 or before!

State CAFR Links last updated: 01/28/05
FROM: http://cafr1.com/listings/Listings.html
Download copies of older year CAFRs first before they are pulled!!!


HIGHLIGHT AND COPY THE BELOW LINKS FOR YOUR PERSONAL USE
Listed below are just a few CAFRs, primarily State CAFRs from the 84,000 separate "OTHER" local government CAFRs, City, County, School Districts, Enterprise Authorities, Universities, etc., etc.

Guess what? When you add all governemnt CAFRs up for gross income and investments held,(84,000 separate government entities) the private sectors investments and holdings in total are very insignificant in comparison and government has much greater "gross" annual income than the entire private sector combined!



Haven't heard a peep from the Press over the last 65 years since the creation of Government's CAFR in 1946? Well, I guess that expression "Silence is Golden" has truly been golden for; Government, Controled Education, and the Syndicated MEDIA, at your expense that is! But then look at how well you have been masterfully entertained due to the Money Involved for so many years not to have noticed!


Alabama:
http://www.comptroller.state.al.us/cafr.htm

Alaska:
http://www.state.ak.us/admin/dof/fin-afr.htm

Arizona (2000 .pdf download) AZ pulled 1994 - 1999:
http://www.gao.state.az.us/financials/CAFR/CAFR2002/02-%20CAFRall.pdf
http://www.gao.state.az.us/financials/CAFR/CAFR2001.pdf
http://www.gao.state.az.us/financials/CAFR/CAFR00/introduction.htm

Arkansas:
http://www.accessarkansas.org/dfa/accounting/cafr.html
http://www.accessarkansas.org/dfa/accounting/cafr2000/
http://www.accessarkansas.org/dfa/accounting/cafr1999/
http://www.accessarkansas.org/dfa/odd/recent.html

California:
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/cafr/cafr02.shtml
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/cafr/cafr01.shtml
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/cafr/cafr00.shtml
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/cafr/cafr99.shtml
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/cafr/cafr98.shtml

California - Cities:
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/local/locrep/cities/9899/cities.shtml

California - Counties:
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/local/locrep/counties/9899/index.shtml

California School Districts:
http://www.sco.ca.gov/ard/local/locrep/school/98-99/index.shtml

Colorado:
http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/audit_dir/2003/2003fin/1433 CAFR PERA.pdf

http://www.colorado.gov/dpa/dfp/sco/cafr/cafr96/cafr.html


Connecticut:
http://www.osc.state.ct.us/2002cafr/contents.htm
http://www.osc.state.ct.us/2001cafr/contents.htm
http://www.osc.state.ct.us/2000cafr/contents.htm


Delaware:
http://www.state.de.us/account/2002cafr/2002-cafr.html
http://www.state.de.us/account/2001cafr/2001-cafr.html
http://www.state.de.us/account/2000cafr/2000-cafr.html


Florida:
http://www.dbf.state.fl.us/aadir/cafrlist.html (2002 - 1996 CAFRs)


Georgia:
http://www2.state.ga.us/departments/audit/ppd/cafr_main.htm


Hawaii:
http://www.state.hi.us/dags/cafr/index.html


Idaho:
http://www.sco.state.id.us/dsa/fr.htm#99CAFR
http://www.sco.state.id.us/dsa/fr.htm#98CAFR
http://www.sco.state.id.us/dsa/fr.htm#97CAFR
http://www.sco.state.id.us/dsa/fr.htm#96CAFR


Illinois:
http://163.191.177.7/ioc-pdf/CAFR_2000.pdf
http://163.191.177.7/ioc-pdf/CAFR_2001.pdf


Indiana:
http://www.state.in.us/auditor/publications/2002cafr.html
http://www.state.in.us/auditor/publications/2001cafr.html
http://www.state.in.us/auditor/publications/2000cafr.html
http://www.state.in.us/auditor/publications/1999cafr.html


Iowa:
http://das.sae.iowa.gov/financial_reports/index.html


Kansas:
http://da.state.ks.us/ar/finrept/cafr2002.htm
http://da.state.ks.us/ar/finrept/afr2001.htm


Kentucky:
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/finance/manuals/tax/02CAFR.pdf
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/finance/manuals/tax/01CAFR.pdf
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/finance/manuals/tax/00CAFR.pdf
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/finance/manuals/tax/kcafr98.pdf
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/finance/manuals/tax/kcafr97.pdf
http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/finance/manuals/tax/kcafr96.pdf


Louisiana:
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr2002beg-end.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr01.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr99.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr98d.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr97.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr96.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr95.pdf
http://www.state.la.us/osrap/library/Publications/cafr94.pdf


Maine:
www.maine.gov/bac/financial_reporting/2001/cafr.pdf
www.maine.gov/bac/financial_reporting/2000/cafr.pdf

Maryland:
http://www.marylandtaxes.com/publications/fiscalrprts/cafr-99.pdf
http://www.marylandtaxes.com/publications/fiscalrprts/cafr-98.pdf


Massachusetts:
http://www.state.ma.us/osc/Reports/99cafr/Intro99.htm
http://www.state.ma.us/osc/Reports/98cafr/Intro98.htm
http://www.state.ma.us/osc/Reports/97CAFR/Intro.htm
http://www.state.ma.us/osc/Reports/96CAFR/Intro.htm
http://www.state.ma.us/osc/Reports/95CAFR/Intro.htm
http://www.state.ma.us/osc/Reports/94cafr/OSC/CAFR/Massfy94.htm


Michigan:
http://www.michigan.gov/budget/0,1607,7-157-13406_13419-56728--,00.html <2002>

http://www.michigan.gov/budget/0,1607,7-157-13406_13419-33703--,00.html

http://www.michigan.gov/budget/0,1607,7-157-13406_13419-34672--,00.html <2000>

http://www.michigan.gov/budget/0,1607,7-157-13406_13419-35442--,00.html <1999>


Minnesota:
http://www.finance.state.mn.us/accounting/

Mississippi:
http://msonline.state.ms.us/CAFR/cafr99/cafr99.htm
http://msonline.state.ms.us/CAFR/cafr98/cafr98.htm
http://msonline.state.ms.us/CAFR/cafr97/cafr97.htm

Missouri:
http://www.dor.state.mo.us/cafr/pdffiles/CAFR2001.pdf
http://www.dor.state.mo.us/cafr/pdffiles/CAFR2000.pdf

Montana:
http://www.state.mt.us/doa/adm/cafr/CAFR.htm

NEVADA:
http://controller.nv.gov/CAFR_pdf_files/FY02All.pdf
http://controller.nv.gov/CAFR_pdf_files/FY01All.pdf
http://controller.nv.gov/CAFR_pdf_files/FY00All.pdf
http://controller.nv.gov/CAFR_pdf_files/FY99all.pdf

New Hampshire:
http://admin.state.nh.us/accounting/00nhcafr.pdf
http://admin.state.nh.us/accounting/99nhcafr.pdf
http://admin.state.nh.us/accounting/98nhcafr.pdf

New Jersey:
http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/publications/01cafr/pdf/01cafr.pdf
http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/publications/00cafr/pdf/00cafr.pdf
http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/publications/99cafr/pdf/99cafr.pdf
http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/omb/publications/98cafr/pdf/cafr.pdf


New York:
http://www.osc.state.ny.us/finance/finreports/cafr02.pdf
http://www.osc.state.ny.us/finance/finreports/cafr01.pdf
http://www.osc.state.ny.us/finance/finreports/cafr99.pdf


North Carolina:
http://www.osc.state.nc.us/financial/


North Dakota:
http://www.state.nd.us/fiscal/CAFR/CAFRIndex.htm

http://www.state.nd.us/rio/NDRIO/Publications/AnnualReport.pdf (2002 ND-RET)


Ohio:
http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr02/2002cafr.pdf

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr01/oh01cafr.PDF

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr00/oh00cafr.PDF

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr99/oh99cafr.PDF

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr98/oh98cafr.PDF

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr97/oh97cafr.PDF

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr96/oh96cafr.PDF

http://www.state.oh.us/obm/BusinessCommunityPage/Financial/CAFR/cafr95/oh95cafr.PDF



Oklahoma:
http://www.osf.state.ok.us/cafr02.pdf
http://www.osf.state.ok.us/cafr01.pdf
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/00cafr.pdf
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/cafr1-99.html
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/cafr1-98.html
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/cafr1-97.html
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/cafr1-96.html
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/cafr1-95.html
http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/cafr1-94.html


Oregon:
http://scd.das.state.or.us/DAS/SCD/SARS/docs/2003_CAFR.pdf
http://scd.das.state.or.us/DAS/SCD/SARS/docs/2002_CAFR.pdf
http://scd.das.state.or.us/DAS/SCD/SARS/docs/2001_CAFR.pdf
http://scd.das.state.or.us/DAS/SCD/SARS/docs/2000_CAFR.pdf


Pennsylvania:
http://www.oit.state.pa.us/budget/lib/budget/2000-2001/cafr/index.html

PA pulled the CAFRs from public viewing on the Internet. The above link is to request a hard copy of the CAFR

South Carolina:
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr02/index.htm
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr01/index.htm
http://www.cg.state.sc.us/cafr00/index.htm

(For the CAFR Prior to 1999, request hard copy)


South Dakota:
http://www.state.sd.us/bfm/cafr/fy01/index.htm
http://www.state.sd.us/bfm/cafr/fy/00index.htm
http://www.state.sd.us/bfm/cafr/fy99/index.htm
http://www.state.sd.us/bfm/cafr/fy98/index.htm
http://www.state.sd.us/bfm/cafr/fy97/index.htm


Tennessee:
http://www.state.tn.us/finance/act/cafr.html
(1997 -2003)

Texas:
http://www.window.state.tx.us/fm/pubs/cafr/

Utah:
http://wwwfin.state.ut.us/reports/cafr.htm

Vermont:
http://www.state.vt.us/fin/Fin%20Publications/2001cafr.pdf
http://www.state.vt.us/fin/Fin%20Publications/2000cafr.pdf
http://www.state.vt.us/fin/Fin%20Publications/1999cafr.pdf

Virginia:
http://www.doa.state.va.us/docs/Publications/CAFR/cafr.htm


Washington:
http://www.ofm.wa.gov/cafr/2002/cafr02toc.htm
http://www.ofm.wa.gov/cafr/2001/cafr01toc.htm
http://www.ofm.wa.gov/cafr/2000/cafr00toc.htm
http://www.ofm.wa.gov/cafr/1999/cafr99toc.htm

(Washington pulled all pre 1999 CAFRS)


West Virginia:
http://www.state.wv.us/admin/finance/cafrgap.htm

Wisconsin:
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy01/01CAFR.HTM
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy00/00CAFR.HTM
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy99/99CAFR.HTM
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy98/98CAFR.HTM
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy97/97cafrm.htm
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy96/96cafrm.htm
http://www.doa.state.wi.us/debf/cafr/fy95/95cafrm.htm


Wyoming:(look 2/3rds down page)
http://sao.state.wy.us/download.htm


Yours Truly,

Walter Burien

http://CAFR1.com




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WJB Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:12 PM
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12. The Reality of the SS game.

In a message dated 2/4/05 6:35:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time, gclari@(SNIP).com writes:

> Walter:
>
> What do you think of Galveston County in Texas and Chile in the
> management of their retirement funds?
>
> Gary Cauchi
> Sanger, California
>

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WALTER BURIEN'S REPLY
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Mr. Cauchi:


Never looked at, and have not heard anything about what you asked before.

So I just did a Google search on ( Galveston County Texas retirement fund ) and got 42300 hits per their privatization of SS for "County" government employees.

I looked and the articles are about three counties that bumped SS for a pension style management.

The key to your question is answered by "who" did this and "who" was it for?

It was three "government" entities for themselves, and I will quote from two paragraph clips below in my article posted at; http://cafr1.com/SS.html

#1: If the public starts trading their SS funds, government management is no longer in a conflict of interest. Then government's "other" managed funds are now free to take advantage of the public's ignorance in trading funds and thus the public except for a rare few can say bye, bye to their account balances after the trap is sprung and market losses orchestrated by our own government eats the public alive.

And:

#2: Look closely at the State Retirement Fund CAFRs after 911. As the public's 401K plans for the next two years shot for the floor with an overall loss on average of 40% to 60% of their values, the numerous State retirement fund multibillion dollar portfolios made a very good profit. The pre 911 annual returns were from 23% to 14% and then averages post 911 went to 12% to 5% annual returns. I have not yet seen one State Government Retirement Fund to date that had a net loss after 911.

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So, when fishing what do you do to catch the minnows?

You throw chum out in the water to start the minnows feeding, then comes the net, then the minnows are caught, and you do with them as you will.

Or, in other words what I said in #1 above, having the effect of what I said in #2 above.

The KEY to success or failure for the public is; What side of the fence will their funds be managed on?

Myself having been a Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA) of 14 years 1978-1992, and the National Sales Manager for the US Trading Championship, US Investing Championship, and Money Managers Verified Ratings for 10 years 1982-1992, I have watched the Big Fish, herd, bait, and eat the minnows very consistently for quite a few years.

So, the real question is; Will the management of the public's funds be in the top of the food chain or at the bottom? Results are the only thing important in reality. Whether it be to meet SS benefits, or as I have proposed with the CAFR1 Plan to make government self sufficient without Taxation.

The markets in all respects for the public have developed into an insider manipulation "winner" takes from the "looser" scenario, or the Vegas mentality of the House (Institutional) taking from the Foolish (the public).

This is not what it should be, or could be. With the dollar being a productivity backed currency, "THE PRODUCTIVITY" should be the determining factor of profit or loss in the markets. With the US Economy being a ten Trillion dollar a year economy, and the value of US possessions being astronomical, productivity results properly managed through return can fund and drive SS and all of government's budgetary requirements without taxation through the CAFR1 Plan.

As I brought forward in #2 above, Government Pension Fund management in adverse conditions on average did rather well after 911 Vs the public's 401K plans on average being slammed to the floor.

Here the answer, solution, and final effect is clear per funding SS or in fact funding government's ongoing budgetary needs using the "Pension Fund Management Principle."

If the exact same pooled management having commingled averages with the funds coming from the model of government pensions was used, then yes you can expect the results to be productive and positive to meet their end need.

The disadvantage to the public that has existed for the last 100 years is that of the predator fish (government Institutional Fund Management) and the minnows (the Public's dismal results and losses in trading the markets -- investing) has to be taken out of the scenario for the final ends of productive results for SS or the CAFR1 Plan to be beneficial to the public and not just become another feeding grounds for the predator fish.

The model used and the same in "participation" fund management is where the success or failure rests.

I hope my comments above have answered your question.

Yours Truly,

Walter J. Burien, Jr.
http://CAFR1.com



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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 05:55 PM
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19. Republicans hate it that they created the great depression only
to have the country saved by a great Democratic President FDR.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 07:17 PM
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22. So George Is Going For Another Try
If he crashes the global economy, what do we have for George?
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