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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:02 PM
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Professor Refuses Apology for 9/11 Essay
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=7&u=/ap/20050206/ap_on_re_us/speaker_protest

Professor Refuses Apology for 9/11 Essay
1 hour, 4 minutes ago U.S. National - AP

DENVER - A professor who likened World Trade Center victims to a notorious Nazi refused to apologize but said his treatise was a "gut response" to the terrorist attacks.

<snip>

"I don't believe I owe an apology," Ward Churchill said Friday on CNN's "Paula Zahn Now" program — his first public comments since the University of Colorado began a review that could lead to his dismissal.

<snip>

"I don't know if the people of 9-11 specifically wanted to kill everybody that was killed," he told Zahn. "It was just worth it to them in order to do whatever it was they decided it was necessary to do that bystanders be killed. And that essentially is the same mentality, the same rubric."

<snip>

Churchill said his speech had been misinterpreted. "I never called for the deaths of millions of Americans," he said.

story:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=7&u=/ap/20050206/ap_on_re_us/speaker_protest
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:17 PM
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1. Good. He should stand by his statements.
They were blown out of proportion and misrepresented. America needs to look at what has been done in its name over the past couple of decades (at least). Understanding who we are and where we are and why someone might hate us is a necessity.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:33 AM
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2. most people believe the mantra by BshCo--they hate our freedom.
makes no sense at all.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:43 AM
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5. Yeah. Even otherwise "rational" Democrats will
get red in the face and all but scream "Love it or leave it!" whenever the US is taken to task for misdeeds and crimes. The US has a great deal to ashamed of and a great deal to answer for. If we are ever to break this seemingly endless cycle of retribution we have to come to grips with how badly we have dealt with others in the past, how to mend those fences, and how to insure that we put a stop to our criminal and inhumane behavior. That isn't saying that we haven't "done good in the world" - we have. But just because Al Capone bought shoes for poor kids in Chicago, didn't make him any less guilty of murder, arson, robbery, extortion, etc., ect...
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 08:34 AM
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10. Well, if it is any consequence to shrub.... I hate
my freedom.... or the lack thereof since the patriot act was preplanned and forced down the throat of the American people....
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:36 AM
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3. Eastern cancels controversial Colorado professor
02/05/2005
Associated Press

Eastern Washington University has canceled plans for an April appearance here by a controversial University of Colorado professor who has blamed United States foreign policy for the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. <snip>

Churchill has characterized the attacks as a response to a long history of United States abuses abroad. In an essay Monday, he said he is not defending the attacks "but simply pointing out that if U.S. foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned." <snip>

Scott Wheat, an attorney and adjunct professor in Eastern's American Indian Studies Program, said the cancellation sets a disturbing precedent.

"I'm concerned about the message we may be sending to Eastern students, and that is: Death threats can be used to stifle legitimate political discourse at an academic institution," he said. <snip>

http://www.kgw.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D882JHQG1.html




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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:38 AM
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4. Good on him
heaven forbid someone bring a 'distasteful' concept to the 'marketplace of ideas'
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:53 AM
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7. Why should he apologize for stating his views?
I read his entire rant.


I agree with the main thrust of it. Of course, the RW pundits mischaracterized his main point for their own agenda, getting rid of any criticism of U.S. ME polcies. I don't approve of such attacks on mostly civilians and neither did he. The fact remains that the U.S. ME policies were the cause of the 911 Attacks and the Twin Towers were a legit target from the other side's viewpoint.

I also feel that he knew that his language would incense the RW and wrote his piece to gain attention and cause an uproar. He achieved his purpose if he wanted to gain some fleeting fame and attention on the issue. The RW and populace at large of course won't give any creedance to his POV but will villify him personaly. The Left Wing already knows what he is talking about.

Imperialism is probably a word that a vast majority of Amerikan have no clue about and will never see Amerika as an Imperialist Capitalist War Mongering Nation that it is.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:57 AM
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9. he shouldn't
thats why i said 'good on him'

those jack boot RW cocksuckers always shout theier mouths off on the "marketplace of ideas"; well, now it is our turn - I hope they enjoy these' controversial' ideas....

of course, now that they are in power, they will just ban them...
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 08:41 AM
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12. The 11th commandment.... "Thou shalt have endless enemies to
keep thine faltering economy afloat and control of the world's energy resources in thine grip"




http://www.michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
Imperialism has been the most powerful force in world history over the last four or five centuries, carving up whole continents while oppressing indigenous peoples and obliterating entire civilizations. Yet, it is seldom accorded any serious attention by our academics, media commentators, and political leaders. When not ignored outright, the subject of imperialism has been sanitized, so that empires become "commonwealths," and colonies become "territories" or "dominions" (or, as in the case of Puerto Rico, "commonwealths" too). Imperialist military interventions become matters of "national defense," "national security," and maintaining "stability" in one or another region. In this book I want to look at imperialism for what it really is.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:52 AM
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6. For the record, Ward Churchill is a moron.
I saw a long interview with him. He refused to justify any of his ides. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Probably just a media whore looking for attention.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 12:57 AM
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8. Morons are entitled to free speech, too
In fact, morons are precisely the reason we've got to struggle always to preserve the right of free speech.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 08:41 AM
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11. I, too, saw a long interview with him and I disagree with your
assessment. He is definitely NOT a media whore and I believe he does know what he is talking about. Why should he have to justify anything? I don't see this cabal, corporations (which include the current media) justify a thing. :shrug:

But then, JohnLocke, I rarely, if ever, agree with any of your posts. :+ :hi:
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 10:19 AM
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13. Some People Push Back: by Ward Churchill 12 September 2001
On the Justice of Roosting Chickens....

When queried by reporters concerning his views on the assassination of John F. Kennedy in
November 1963, Malcolm X famously -- and quite charitably, all things considered -- replied
that it was merely a case of "chickens coming home to roost."

On the morning of September 11, 2001, a few more chickens -- along with some half-million
dead Iraqi children -- came home to roost in a very big way at the twin towers of New York's
World Trade Center. Well, actually, a few of them seem to have nestled in at the Pentagon as
well.

The Iraqi youngsters, all of them under 12, died as a predictable -- in fact, widely predicted --
result of the 1991 US "surgical" bombing of their country's water purification and sewage
facilities, as well as other "infrastructural" targets upon which Iraq's civilian population depends
for its very survival. See The Secret Behind the Sanctions -- How the U.S. Intentionally
Destroyed Iraq's Water Supply, by Thomas J. Nagy, The Progressive, September 2001.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/WC091201.html

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raggedcompany Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 11:52 AM
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15. Three cheers for Ward Churchill!
Hip Hip Hooray!

I support this man's right to say whatever he wants. I do not think he should be fired because his opinions differ. Good for you, Ward. Don't let the bastards get you down!
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