A 'stop-Dean' effort arises at DNC forum

[ckramer]

Stakes high as party seeks new chairman

By Nina Easton, Globe Staff | January 30, 2005

NEW YORK -- A replay of the 2004 Iowa caucuses unfolded in New York this weekend at a meeting to preview candidates to lead the Democratic Party; six men appealed to voters in an attempt to bend or to bypass the seemingly unstoppable juggernaut of support behind a Green Mountain doctor named Howard Dean.

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[Mojambo]

1. The opposition to Dean excites me even more

Changes are coming...

[Born Free]

8. WILL THE RANK AND FILE STAND BEHIND HIM?

The big question is will the rank and file support him or will they allow the corporate controlled media decide who should be in charge. Every day we learn that more journalists have been bought off - do you think no one was paid to torpedo Dean? You don't believe the republican operatives would stoop that low? That's right, freedom is on the march....all is well in America and all we have to do is shut up and vote for the people the right wing, corporate controlled media tells us is best...smile, be happy, don't rock the boat..

[tsuki]

13. I don't know what to say. On the one hand, I agree with you. The

rank and file will have to stand up to the BAUMeisters. Will they? We desperately need the energy and common touch that Dean will bring with him. But, I have read some really nasty things on some sites about him and the "angry left."

[Emillereid]

64. This rank and file and many others I know here in California

will probably join the Greens if the DLC manages to keep control of the Party. They are losers and they will keep losing. I've decided if I'm going to lose anyway, I'd rather do it while standing on principle. I realized that with party's move to become the liberal wing of the republican party, that it has left me. If all the progressives in the democratic party joined the Greens we'd have a party to be reckoned with,

[xxqqqzme]

90. U got that right

I was ready 2 go green on Jan 6. Boxer stopped me. if the DNC allows the dlc to remain in control and squeeze Howard out again, I'm am through! My energy, money and mouth are all green. At least I know what the Green party stands for and why. I heard Cobb speak on Jan 6 and was very impressed.

[Zhade]

111. I don't even think some DEMOCRATS wouldn't stoop that low.

Their love of corporate cash makes Dean a real threat.

[WI_DEM]

2. The more nervous the establishment becomes the more

I think Dean is exactly the man to head the DNC.

[buddysmellgood]

47. Agreed

[CindyDale]

3. Competence scares some people, I guess

[BrendaStarr]

87. Danziger cartoon

I like this-- He'll want us to start doing stuff! Ues! We need Dean!



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[Clark2008]

4. See, I told you Randy Button knows what he's talking about

"Some party officials do worry about Dean," said Randy Button, chairman of Tennessee's Democratic Party. "If it was Howard Dean as the governor who balanced budgets, it'd be easier. But now that he's been on the national stage, the perception is a lot different." Button also recalled that he had told Dean that although he appreciated the Vermont governor's 2003 outreach to Southern guys in pickups, he wished Dean had described trucks with "gun racks," not Confederate decals.

That make MUCH more sense. A mere word change would have made a difference.

In any case, I still don't see what the big deal's about. I mean, if he wins it, fine. If he doesn't, that's fine, too. I think the power is ours.
Sorry. I never got the Dean thing. I know, I know. I'll get bashed for this, but I just never got it.

[CindyDale]

5. The Dean thing is that he's a natural leader

He's both progressive and organized.

He would definitely change things, really shake them up.

[fasttense]

22. I admire Dean because he's not afraid of the Repukes

Seems to me some of these supposed leaders of the democratic party are afraid of the Repukes. Deans not afraid to get in their ugly faces and shout. I never did understand the big deal over the yelling. I was quietly cheering for Dean after the media made such a big deal of the shouting. I'm a loud person, I shout, what the f*** is the problem? B**sh made faces when he was angry and sucked air when he laughed. He came off as big dumb dork to me. But Dean came off as a fighter.

[Depth03]

59. Not shouting, but truth..

www.depthaudio.com/Dean.htm - Dean audio link.

Dems need to wake up. I hope they are.

[CindyDale]

28. The Republican party is defining itself in such a way

that its interests appear to have diverged from the interests of everyone on the planet and most especially from the interests of Americans. So it's not in our interest to follow them in any case. These are people who don't even represent their constituency well.

[nolabels]

36. and he is a fighter and doesn't give up too easy

They must hate that :evilgrin:

[Protagoras]

57. Even though I'm not a HUGE supporter

when I compare him to the people trying to undermine him I suddenly find myself waving a Dean flag. What does that say about the state of our party? :(

[Eloriel]

73. Oh, GOOD point

Well put. Thanks for making it.

[w4rma]

7. They would have made up something else to smear him with.

He had been using that phrase in speeches for over 6 months to standing ovations (which included African Americans) before those people decided to make any sort of deal about the phrase.

What you must understand is that the DLC is there to REPLACE support for "special interests" (which actually means liberal voting groups: pro-choice, pro-union, pro-environment, etc. etc.) with support for corporate interests (big buisness).

Gov. Dean's method of raising money hurt the DLC's agenda, ALOT. And his manner of speaking what folks were thinking and saying rather than what big buisness wanted their bought politicians to sell to people hurt the DLC agenda, ALOT, also.

[cali]

11. No bashing from me

I think it's fine if a certain politician leaves one cold. I do understand the Dean thing. Part of it for me is what he's done post primary. DFA is a truly effective and admirable organization.
I also get the Dean thing because he was my governor for 11 years, and although I didn't always agree with him, I always knew where he stood, and that he is an honest man.

[tsuki]

14. "I always knew where he stood," Isn't that what the Payola

Pundits say won Bush the election? Why would it be so horrible to have a leader that we knew "where he stood?"

[Pam-Moby]

49. The repukes did not want to face Dean in the election

They manipulated the primaries to achieve a candidate that they thought that they would have a chance to defeat. Howard Dean was destined to crush B*sh in the election and the Rovers knew that B*sh did not have a chance to overcome Dean's momentum if he had been the Democratic candidate in the election. So I say the people opposing Dean are just reacting to what the Repukes created as a false reality.

[Eloriel]

76. No, no. The DEMS manipulated the primaries

not the Repugs. And I'll never forgive Kerry and to a lesser extent Edwards for their dirty tricks that sunk Dean, and the backroom deals. Never.

It strikes me as a wee bit of poetic if not karmic justice that "our" candidate wnet on to "lose" the general election because of election fraud, but "our" candidate's hands were hardly clean getting there.

[lojasmo]

81. It was a true trifecta.

The democratic establilshment, the republicans, and the barely-regulated media, a willing tool.

[A Simple Game]

105. The Republicans could not take a chance

on an antiwar candidate.

One tragedy or one set of loose lips could have cost them all of their pro-war support.

[librechik]

62. Dean's great for party chief. Clark for Prez! n/t

[ldf]

63. dean is honest, and won't compromise that.

"gun racks" vs. "confederate flag" is pure spin.

i don't believe that ALL people who fly the confederate flag are KKK. some of them ARE proud of their ancestry of the south, NOT necessarily their ancestry of the KKK. there ARE SOME differences.

instead of bashing the south with one big stereotype, dean is honest enough to realize that.

GO DEAN!

edit to add that, if you think about it, the dlc/dnc are busy trying to appeal to southerners by appealing to the antichoice and the antigay crowd, the antithesis of two of our longstanding core constituent bases.

[burn the bush]

6. they don't want Dean to rock the boat. But baby, that boat needs to be

rocked!

[Wilms]

10. Actually, the boat is sinking from the weight of the DLC.

They ought to get together with moderate conservatives and form a third party.

It would be great for the national debate.

[reprobate]

79. I believe it has always been the intent of DLC to sink the party.

The DLC are conservatives. They may claim to be democrats, but their hearts are still with the corporations, which are republicans.

IMO, the entire purpose of the DLC has been to pull the party so far to the right that it loses it's base and becomes irrelevant.

A strategy that certainly fits into the repug form.

[KingoftheJungle]

89. I agree

[Claire Beth]

60. you are INDEED correct! n/t

[thebigidea]

9. ah, the sneering Nina Easton. What ever would we do without her?

[depakid]

12. A stop Democrats from ever winning effort

has been raised by the DNC/DLC "corruption is good" crowd.

Frankly, I think many of these people are just vision impaired. Perhaps brain injured. Reagan babies.

[KittyWampus]

25. More Like The Media Plays On The Paranoia Of Some Dean Supporters

and too many on DU enjoy lapping it up.

[depakid]

32. More like not learning from history

or what Einstein called Insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

How many elections and how many battles does the DNC/DLC have to lose before they get a grip?

What will it take for them to realize that their so called "strategy" is a a proven presciption for disaster?

At this point, one has to wonder....

[struggle4progress]

51. Would have been nice to see a comparable "Stop Bush" movement

[AnnInLa]

15. I have a question

Being from the red South, I was never an early Dean supporter during the Pres campaign, and didn't closely follow his campaign, his ideas or his plans for America. But, I am one of those who think the Dems should return to their traditional, progressive "values," and not become repub-lites. If becoming the party of Progressive ideals, (that sharply contrasts to the repuke party) means we would have at least a 10-year fight to regain control of the political-discourse, would it be worth the wait? Or, should we go for short-term wins by being more centrist, then hope to pass Progressive legislation once we get in power? I know this is argued about constantly...but, I am having a hard time with it.

[Leafy Geneva]

19. I think you're creating a false choice

Paul Wellstone was from a swing state. He ran as a progressive Roosevelt Democrat and won elections that way.

[MGKrebs]

30. There is nothing wrong with progressive ideals.

Progressive ideals protect ordinary people versus those with power and connections. We progressives don't want to destroy anybody or take away the ability to acquire wealth. We just want to make sure that those with power don't abuse it.

For example:Tort reform- Limiting damage awards to victims protects the profits of powerful corporations at the expense of ordinary people who are victims of malpractice. That is anti-progressive.

Progressives stand for :
Economic justice - higher minimum wage, pay equity, right to organize workers, worker safety standards.

Protecting civil rights- right to vote, end discriminatory sentencing, oppose certain aspects of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, defend the right to free speech and assembly.

Universal health care

Protect ourselves by protecting the environment.

I think that ordinary people who oppose progressivism have been mislead into thinking it will somehow hurt their lifestyle. They don't see that the very definition of a community is that everybody chips in a little to make the whole community better. For example, I don't have kids, but I pay a lot of school taxes, but that's OK because it makes the community better anyway.

Progressive values are fairness, responsibility, opportunity, prosperity, and honesty, If anybody opposes that, it's because we haven't explained it properly. Or they're just selfish and greedy!

[Eloriel]

77. Definitely false choice

If becoming the party of Progressive ideals, (that sharply contrasts to the repuke party) means we would have at least a 10-year fight to regain control of the political-discourse, would it be worth the wait? Or, should we go for short-term wins by being more centrist, then hope to pass Progressive legislation once we get in power?

And really false premise as well. You won't WIN elections be becoming more centrist (altho, in truth, becoming more centrist would actually require a bit of a shift to the left!! we've gone so far right in our wrongheaded pursuit of the fickle "swing voter").

Overwhelmingly, it's Dem positions on everything that the people really want. (And we even won this past election, but suffered from vote fraud again.) All we have to do is be ourselves -- our REAL selves.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

16. We can't have Dean be DNC chair

He might actually do a good job and actually fight the republicans.

[roenyc]

17. will this party learn? get back to its roots!

And, they say, the party needs a winning vision, although no one seems to know what that might constitute.

ah yea; i think dean knows. its the vision we saw back in the day. the true vision of the Democrat party. the party that cares about the people and not the corporations. Now wasnt that easy?

Dean appeals to the very young. and thats a great thing. He also is very supportive of his people. in other words he got your back. He will get on Hardball and make Chris Matthews squirm. that is what WE need. not another wimp who is afraid to say what is true and right.

the neo-cons get on tv and lie straight to his face and if they are important neo-cons they get away with it. so i am not worried that he will say something stupid. because no matter what a democrat says it will be twisted by FOX news team into something ugly.


now what if he doesnt get it? then i am going to be very P.O'd. the party needs to get back to its roots or its going to lose the youth to dear me, Nader? or maybe we can run dean on a progressive ticket. i dont know. but this is a great man and he deserve this position.

[TomClash]

18. Do we leave the Party if he is "stopped" by the likes of Tim Roemer?

I'm not a Deaniac. He doesn't emphasize class politics enough for my taste. But he is certainly more qualified and a better public leader than Wellington Webb or Tim Roemer.

If Roemer is the Party leader what's the point of being in the Party?

[Cooley Hurd]

21. Can the Democratic party win without us?

If they decide to go with a "moderate-to-conservative" like Roemer, and lose those of us firmly on the left, do they think they'll then be able to win elections?

The Democratic Party needs to get used to the fact that it is no longer "politics-as-usual." We need someone angry, creative and determined enough to take on the media FIRST, then woo moderates second.

We will NOT win elections as long as the media continues to distort the truth about the record of sitting repugs in government.

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[hippiechick]

33. Someone got up on the wrong side of the cave today ...

Good Golly, your posts in this thread are snipy ...

Roemer was mentioned because believe it or not, he is a candidate and at least a couple folks have considered supporting him for the DNC leadership.

This poster was simply stating the obvious, that Roemer as head of the DNC would be about as effective as having Zell Miller as head of the DNC.

Lighten up ! :freak:

[KittyWampus]

34. This Whole Thread Simply Perpetuates The Absurd By Taking Bait

thrown out by mediawhores.

And again, why mention Roemer?

Up til today, he hasn't much visible support.

And I'll 'lighten up' when DU'ers stop propagating the myth of Dean as victim.

[ldf]

65. dean is not a victim of the smear machine

just like bush is not being helped by the corporate whore press.

when you deny the obvious it doesn't help your credibility.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

40. I promise you, I will be the first out the door if Roemer gets the post.

I'm not going to waste my vote on Repuke-lite Dems, anymore.

JB

[d.l.Green]

48. As Tim Roemer says,

"We need a chair that doesn't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." I agree, we need someone who represents the Green wing also...;)

[radio4progressives]

83. LOL! Say that to Roemer! n/t

[xxqqqzme]

91. well, i certainly don't want

somebody representing the rethuglican wing of the Democratic pary and that is what Roemer is. Why did he switch parties anyway? he still walks 'n talks like a rethug. Can't imagine them calling him a rino!

[sacxtra]

109. And the libertarian

who are doing a lot of sitting on hands.

[SharonAnn]

74. Exactly. What's the point in being in the Party? Not much, I'd say.

I say "my rights are non-negotiable." That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts.

If women don't have rights and we aren't the progressive party, then what on earth are we?

[Eloriel]

78. Class politics

Don't get your comment on Dean. He talks regularly about the huge and growing gap between rich and poor; about the Repugs and Bush centering their concern and efforts on corps and the wealthy. The only thing mssing, AFAIC, is the word "Class." Is that it? What else would you have him do -- or, who do you prefer instead on that issue? Nader or someone else third party?

[American Tragedy]

112. I agree, Eloriel

Once again, not a huge Dean fan personally, but he does talk about the substantive issues.

Anyway, I suspect "workers of the world unite" rhetoric might make people rather uncomfortable. ;)

[aikido15]

93. No point that I can find...

I'm out! Have fun with the spinless dems..I'll vote for another party even if they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I cannot live with myself if I support these idiots again!

[eridani]

107. No. Just ignore the national party

Stay with your state and local organizations if they are fighters.

[sendero]

20. Go DEAN...

... it is time for a shakeup.

I'll be honest here, I don't know for sure if having the party move "left" is going to win elections. I'm just sure that the status quo is not.

I think Dean's straight-talking style might make it hard to win something like the presidency, but it is exactly what we need in the DNC chair IMHO.

I think if they try to neuter Dean at this time, they do so at their own peril.

[RhodaGrits]

23. If the DLC wing wins this, I wash my hands (and close my wallet)

to the Dems immediately. If they could not push their boy Kerry through with all the resources behind them in 2004, they are hopeless.

Dean would be just the person for this job.

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[Sterling]

35. That's it, the media is trying to help Dean?

What exactly are your trying to say? I can tell you are all a twitter but don't really understand why because you are better at expressing that you are angry than making a reasonable point.

[kris10ep]

27. Dean is not the man to be U.S. president, but......

I believe he is the man to head the DNC.

I'm not a very big Dean fan myself, but I do believe he has a lot of passion. And PASSION is exactly what this party need right now.

[go west young man]

104. Dean is beyond the man to be President......

He more than anyone deserves it because he isn't doing it for himself. He's doing it because he is truly kind. That type of man deserves to be president. And hes gonna work not just provide lip service.

[ihelpu2see]

31. Run Howard Run.... I would Back Dean for Pres. again

and even for the head of the DNC

he would have beat GW easy

[janx]

37. HA! ........

Dean was the only candidate not to sponsor a public breakfast before yesterday's audition of candidates. A candidate and veteran party organizer, Donnie Fowler, distributed goodie bags full of grits and barbecue sauce. Others like Rosenberg, Webb, and Frost offered orange juice, coffee, and robust handshakes. But until the ballroom doors opened, Dean was nowhere to be found.

[candy331]

39. Funny, Funny, ha aha ha, does this mean he doesn't have to buy votes

or does it mean he is too cheap? which?

[janx]

50. It's great.

During all of the schmoozing over doughnuts, etc., nobody knew where Dean was!

[ldf]

66. answer the question.

apparently, according to you, it is one of the two.

in other words, he needs to respond with politics as usual.

i imagine those who are voting will get an idea where he stands when he takes the stage, not after they fill up on pastries and coffee.

[Tinoire]

56. Means real Democrats aren't falling for cheesy marketing ploys anymore ;)

n/t

[MaineDem]

80. Not true at all

Dean had a breakfast before the main event on Saturday morning.

[gorbal]

38. I'm keeping an eye on the "Stop Dean" campaign

An anyone involved. They will not get my vote in any primaries.

[ecoalex]

41. The DLC Wolves are Circling

They will try again to derail Dean. Those who say a populist scares the hell out of the established boot lickers are right, Populists are a supreme threat to the cozy relationship the DNC DLC has with the corporates.

This Country Needs Dean

[napi21]

42. Was there this much chaos when McCauliff ran?

I must admit, I wasn't paying much attention to politics back then. I paid attention to the candidates, but not much to Party leaders. I was just curious if anyone remembers if there was this much opposition or chaos when they were deciding on Terry?

[Gyre]

43. More proof of meddling by Clintons. "'Anybody But Dean, Part 2'"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6857146/site/newsweek

:toast: To the death of the DLC!

Gyre

[chimpy the poopthrower]

58. yes, Howard Fineman is so trustworthy.

:eyes:

If the Clintons are so anti-Dean, why did Hillary let Ickes endorse Dean?

I don't claim to know about all the wheeling and dealing that goes on within the upper levels of the party, but that doesn't mean I'm simply going to accept the word of Howard Fineman and the like.

[KoKo]

72. Ickes comes from a line of DC Insiders...it was good if he endorsed

Dean. Fineman is sick...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. John Kerry on MTP this morning said he supports Howard Dean for the chair

[lojasmo]

98. As well as all the other candidates....it wasn't an endorsement. N/T

[aikido15]

115. What Kerry support someone besides...

himself?

[specimenfred1984]

45. Afraid of the "Angry Left"? In You're Not Angry...

Then you must support torture, fascism, rigged elections, imperialism, nuclear proliferation, pollution, etc...

I'm 100% sick of people who are afraid to get angry!

[KissMeKate]

52. If youre not angry, youre not paying attention.

eom

[ldf]

67. agreed. as i always heard it...

if you are able to keep your head when all those around you are losing theirs, then you obviously do not have a good grasp of the situation.

:-)

[Paula Sims]

46. We need Dean to prevent a Repub Lite party

Many have said and posted that today's DLC Democratic party is nothing more than Pub Lite. If that's the case (and since it is perceived as such so that perception becomes reality), many Democrats figure what's the point? Yes, I know Pub Lite is better than high octane Pub, but still. . .

Dean has the courage to say what's on all our minds and he does it in a straight -- even Joe Six-pack can understand it -- sound bite way. He doesn't go into long diatribes or explanations. He gets it and he wants the party leadership to get it too.

THAT's what the status quo are afraid of -- that they'll actually have to work and earn their positions. For too long the DNC/DLC has taken the base for granted. Now that we are more informed and communicate, the Phoenix has woken up and is beginning to rise.

If they do stop Dean, I have a feeling this country will see its own Orange Revolution.


Paula

[chimpy the poopthrower]

53. I think this article is misleading and intentionally divisive.

There are seven candidates right now. Dean is the front-runner. Naturally, the other six candidates want to "stop Dean" -- because they themselves want to win. It would be like saying that after Iowa last year, Edwards and Kucinich and Dean (and whoever else was still running at that time) were part of some "stop-Kerry" coalition. This story makes everyone look bad. It diminishes the six other candidates by suggesting they have nothing unique to offer and are merely there as "safe" alternatives to Dean. It also suggests that Dean is such a wild card that saner heads in the party leadership have to conspire to keep him away from the chairmanship.

I see only one piece of evidence to support the thesis of this article, and I think that has been deliberately misinterpreted:
"The issue for all of us is how to keep Howard from winning on the first ballot," said Wellington Webb, a former Denver mayor and the only African-American candidate for the DNC chair.

All I think that means is that the other candidates want to stay in the running for as long as possible and not have the race be decided early on the way Kerry was last year.

[ldf]

68. maybe you should put this in the context

of how they tried to sabotage his candidacy during the primary.

same song, second verse.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

70. As I said, I think the article is insulting to all seven candidates.

Dean is my choice. I don't know much about the others but they all have the right to be candidates and not be diminished as this article does to them.

I'm sure there are insiders who are not enthusiastic about the possibility of Dean winning, and I know some Dean supporters feel that some dirty tricks were played in 2004. I never felt like enough of a political wonk to determine whether that was true. But I think everyone should be able to play the game and then come together when the decision is made.

I think an article like this is written with a specific agenda -- to stir up the Dean supporters against those who don't support Dean, and vice versa. And to make Dean look "unstable" and a loose cannon in the same way that the "Dean Scream" did.

[They_LIHOP]

97. Excellent observations there, poopthrower...

Since 'making Democrats look bad' is pretty much what the folks in the US mainstream media get up every morning to do ...

Here you have a prime example. I see and hear (even on KGO here in SF) at the least a subtle "Dems/Left=Bad, GOP/Bush/Right=Good" angle on EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN STORY that comes out of the mainstream media. With the exception of Krugman, and a PRECIOUS few other commentators, mostly Op-Ed columnists (and hence, people who are not held to the same standards of accuracy and hence people who can technically be 'discounted'), everything that ever comes out absolutely MUST at least sublety lean towards bush and the right. I swear to goddess that I am not imagining it.

This is a PERFECT example of the phenomenon I try to get people to see every day when I'm talking about the 'liberal media' and how it's NOT FUQING LIBERAL AT ALL...

[Rochambeau]

54. Nevermind if it seems silly at the time : I'm a French for Dean !

I was and I'm still a big fan of President Clinton and 8 years of B*sh will not make me change my mind for sure but I'm now a big fan of Dr.Dean ! It's absolutely not my business as a frenchman but I support H.Dean 100%. It's time for attack, strengh and strong democratic convictions. Those "diet dems" got to go now and let "true dems" play their part and kick the repugs out of the WH for Pete's sake!

[xxqqqzme]

92. thank U Rochambeau

I like diet dems BTW. Hoping Howard revives 'red ink rethugs' such a good sound bite phrase.

[American Tragedy]

114. Hell yeah, Rochambeau

And to some extent, I think that it is your business. We're all stuck in this world together, pour le meilleur ou pour le pire. :)

[KissMeKate]

55. Perhaps it will take another defeat in 2008.

I wonder what the go along to get along Democrats will blame it on then?

[MetalFingersDOOM]

61. Why do this?

We need some democrats with some testicular fortitude like Dean if we're ever going to get anything done.

[VegasWolf]

69. No bashing from me, dean is the ONE thing that MIGHT cause me

to not vote thrird party next time.

[progressivebydesign]

71. Oooh.. the corporate whores are nervous. Another primary attack??

Hmm... all the classless, unethical, crap that was pulled on Dean when he was in the lead for our nomination, is about to hit again! Even though it's been proven over and over and over again, that Dean's "SCREAM" was figment of the corporate media's imagination, and the desire by the Kerry people and the DLC to ditch him, people on DU are STILL acting as though it was Dean's achilles heel. Bullshit.

Are we going to sit by and watch a man like Dean be trashed by the fucking chair jockey suits in the DLC AGAIN???????????????

The PEOPLE want Dean. The lobbyists, apparently don't. WOnder how much money the DLC and their ilk gets from the pharmaceutical industry, and the insurers....

[deadparrot]

75. It's time for a change.

Look where the "Republican-lite" platform got us in the last selection.

[radio4progressives]

82. Roemer and Frost Said ......

"I'm from a red state," said Tim Roemer, former congressman from Indiana and member of the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "We need a chair that doesn't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."

Roemer seems to be suffering from a political identity crises and needs to join the Republican Party - goddess knows the Repugs need moderates to save them from the extremists that hijacked their party.

please someone, tell Roemer he's in the wrong party.

And then Frost boasts of a record the DNC does NOT need:

"Frost also boasts the deepest organizational resume: He reinvigorated the ailing Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee after the Democrats were crushed in the 1994 Republican sweep of Congress. And for decades, he coordinated campaigns in the red state of Texas. "The Republican's simply out-organized us," Frost said of the party's 2004 defeat"

[KissMeKate]

85. they "simply out-organised us"

If he really believes that was the problem- he is completely unqualified to help us win an election.

[radio4progressives]

86. Bingo! n/t

[MaineDem]

94. Roemer will not win

He even admitted that on Saturday.

[GetTheRightVote]

84. I hope Dean wins the DNC chair.

:kick:

[aikido15]

88. After reading this...

I'm considering joining the Democratic Socialists Labor party...man, what a bunch of shit.

All this talk over strategy and winning votes..not one word in all that strategy about the people who will be voting for them and their interests. Just a bunch of bickering, NO clear strategy...losers.

[IndianaGreen]

95. Democratic Establishment fears Dean more than they hate Bush

which is why they a such LOSERS!

[Tinoire]

100. The scary thing is that Dean is a CENTRIST

Fearing a Centrist??! :wtf:

:shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

106. DLC wants to move the Democratic Party further right

that would make a centrist like Dean a leftwinger, and people like us antiwar folks are portrayed as dangerous terrorist loving anarchists.

So in the new DLC equation, this is what we find:

Old moderate/centrist (Dean) = New radical left

Old left (Ted Kennedy) = New Al-Qaeda fellow travelers

Old conservatives (Tim Roemer) = New moderate Democrats

Old rightwingers (Zell Miller) = New conservative Democrats

[ausiedownunderground]

96. The Rest of the World Votes "One Dean for DNC Chair"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As long as he has no secret major illness or he's been divorced 2-3 times and he hasn't "bashed" any women, gays or Taxi drivers or "taken a bribe" this guy sounds really good for The Democrats of America! Make sure you all vote for him!! The Rest of the World is sweating on it! Unless of course someone knows he fails one of the above, because Rove will find out!!!

[natrat]

99. we want Dean, we want Dean

dont want no stinking sell out corporate piece of shit like mcauluf (sp?)

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

101. I've suggested this before...............

if it turns out the party kingpins DO NOT want Howard to chair the DNC, I say those of us who like him split off and form the New Democratic Party. I see no one on the scene who articulates my beliefs as well as Mr. Dean. In other words, he has a backbone and is not afraid to call a spade a spade! :)

[ckramer]

103. Let's call it - Neo Democratic Party

[Prisonerohio]

102. The reason why the DNC is afraid of Dean is because his views are closer

to the true beliefs of the representatives of the party. The Congress is filled with politicians who beliefs change with how the money flows. He is going to actually make them work for a living. What are the other options a chairman that is against abortion and gay marriage. What the repugs call mainstream. I for one am a liberal and proud of it. :)

[Alizaryn]

108. Well said!

[TheWebHead]

110. actually they are afraid because Dean has foot in mouth disease

which isn't an ailment the doctor has been able to self medicate since he was a presidential candidate, hence the "evil republican machine", "I hate the Republicans and everthing they represent", "We've got rid of Saddam and I suppose it was a good thing", "the most interesting theory that I heard, which I did not believe, was that the Saudis had tipped him off," of course the Dean Scream, etc. And a year after he crashed and burned because of his verbal gaffes, we're set to make him our de-facto party spokesperson... unbelievable.

[Zhade]

113. ...and all of those things manufactured by the corporate media.

Unbelievable, indeed.

[aikido15]

116. Finally...

someone in touch with reality...I was beginning to wonder about this thread.

[ima_sinnic]

117. yeah, unbelievable--someone who actually says it like it is

--wow, tht's terrible. you're right, we need a mealy-mouthed, two-faced puppet who reads his speeches off of teleprompters -- speeches written by well-paid corporate servants and that ensure the status quo is well-maintained and the official lies well-embedded in the minds of the people -- while lining his pockets with "tips" from his masters.

Howard Dean "crashed and burned because of his verbal gaffes"?? I don't think so, not at all. He "crashed and burned," as you so exaggeratedly put it, because of a well-orchestrated effort to make sure it would not be the PEOPLE who controlled the Democratic nomination, but rather the same-old same-old good ole boy network of profiteering cronies--they couldn't get him on one single substantive issue, only on the most superficial of factors, his choice of words. Anything anybody says can be spun into a whirlwind, and these scum who oppose and MANIPULATE the will of the people are masters at at.

[JNelson6563]

118. Is this a picture of you and some friends?