Breaking: 5 killed, 3 wounded in Northwestern Wisconsin

[dflprincess]

This just crawled across one of the Twin Cities TV stations:

A Twin Cities man denied permission to hunt on land near Birchwood returned with an assault rifle, killing 5 and injuring 3 people. Sawyer County police report the man was arrested about 5pm.


edited for spelling

[daleo]

1. Denied permission to hung?

What's that mean. Wait, I guess you mean hunt.

[dflprincess]

5. Someday I'll learn to proofread more carefully.

n/t

[luaneryder]

16. This kind of shit just makes me want to

:nuke: I went thru this living in a very rural area where I "denied" people to hunt on my own private 5 acres on which I lived. They were incensed that I would dare to put up no hunting and no trespassing signs becauae, "My granddaddy owned this mountain years ago and I should be able to hunt it all I want," or, "You outsiders are taking our livelihood away from us by not letting us hunt whereever we want." They didn't know WTF livelihood meant.

[alarimer]

58. One thing about Texas

is that people do respect private property rights more. That is both good and bad butif you told someone here they couldn't hunt, most people would abide by it. Of course here, trespassing gets you shot, likely as not.

[Sannum]

2. Tell me why Assault Rifles shouldn't be banned again...

[MSgt213]

10. Because assault weapons don't kill people they kill a lot at one time

[Sannum]

11. I was being sarcastic

[MSgt213]

13. And so was I.

[AllyCat]

3. Oh God...that is horrible.

I suppose the NRA will support this vicious man. Do you have a link for this?

[dflprincess]

7. Here's a link to WCCO's website

not many details yet.

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_326173143.html

[0007]

48. This is insane! "Ya can take my civil rights away but not my deer hunting

fun, cuz I'll kill ya if you do!!

[Lizzie Borden]

4. Hunting season always brings

out the very best in people, don't you agree?

[Nikepallas]

6. And so the madness starts. I am sicken that he had an Assault rile

and I hope those injured pull Thur and morn the lose of those 5.

[Dark]

8. So the assault rifle ban expiring didn't make us safer?

[tjdee]

9. WTF is wrong with that guy?

I guess there's no explaining why people snap, but jiminy cricket!

How horrible.

[brentspeak]

12. Killer "returned with an assault rifle"

In other words, he deliberately did not use the standard hunting rifle he was probably first carrying, and wanted to get something with a ton more firepower/killing power.

Assault rifles = useless for everything except killing people.

[Zynx]

22. Or he was hunting with the assault rifle

I've seen people using SKS and other .30 cal AK clones. He also might have had a modern BAR, which can use full-size rifle ammo.

This needs more detail.

[sendero]

42. I'm so glad...

... that every one here seems to know exactly what happened. Funny, you believe the news when it suits you, and you know that most of what you hear on TV is bullshit.

Someone here mentioned the SKS. I see no mention of it in the article, perhaps there is more info somehere.

An SKS is not much of an assualt rifle. It is a military surplus cheap gun that can be had for $150. Maybe if the guy were poorer he would not have been able to afford a gun and none of this would have happened.

You people blame the gun all you want. Tell yourself that if he only didn't have an SKS this would not have happened. I laugh out loud at the pure myopia of you folks.

[stevedeshazer]

14. Fundy. Not reported yet. Any takers?

[AlCzervik]

17. if not fundie than miltia type government hater

[ilovenicepeople]

52. I'm calling pretext to the start of gun confiscation in the USA

But technically it wouldn't be a pretext if it was already taking place, would it?I'm not saying this isn't a tragic,sad and outright senseless thing that has taken place,how could it not be?But put into the context of a upcoming police state,how many tragic examples would they need?

[daleo]

19. If so, he can try the Rapture defense

Version 1 - "They wuz good Christians and I was just sending them to the Lord sooner".

Version 2 - "They wuz bad libruls so I wuz sending them to Hell where they belonged".

[Carla in Ca]

23. I'm in for $20.00

terrible, just terrible

[Zorra]

35. We can be fairly sure this was not a pinko liberal gun regulation advocate

So I'm going with the fundy hypothesis all the way. Bu$h supporter and member of freerepublic no doubt.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

43. probably a fundy.

[sendero]

15. Here we go again...

... if we outlawed sick teenagers Columbine would never have happened.

Let's just outlaw everything we don't know jack shit about and don't like.

[BeatleBoot]

18. At Least We Have a Man of Morals in the White House..

Praise Be...

[RetroLounge]

20. Here's the AP take on it

From the Milwaukee Journal Website

The shooter was denied permission to hunt on some land, and later returned with an assault rifle and opened fire, the station reported.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_HUNTERS_SHOT_WIOL-?SITE=WIMIL&SECTION=STATE&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

RL

[Mackenzie]

21. It's wabbit season!

You're dethpicable!

[PittPoliSci]

24. woah wait!

assault weapons don't kill people, just the freakin' lunatics who wield them do? no assault weapon ban? what next, no background checks?

i have a feeling we should start getting used to news like this.

[sendero]

26. First off...

... you actually think some dipshit newspaper reporter who doesn't even know the name of age of the perp knows an "assault" weapon from a can of shinola?

If I put 3 guns in front of you - could YOU pick out the "assault" weapon? I highly doubt it.

You thing abortions should be legal, you think the government should stay out of your personal business but you are sure that taking away rights selectively will solve societal problems and stop nutcakes from killing people?

Let me make this as clear as I can: what this dude did could be done with any legitimate hunting rifle. You want to ban those too?

Get real, this debate is getting stupid.

[chookie]

30. Your point?

Um, the alleged murderer went home with one weapon, and returned with another, which was, presumably, better suited for the prey he want currently hunting. It was a different class of rifle....

Why not kill these humans with his deer rifle? I think that is what people are wondering about.

[PittPoliSci]

32. thanks!

couldn't have said it better myself.

[PittPoliSci]

34. he didn't choose a deer rifle though...

because it would've been more difficult to accomplish this task with a deer rifle. he chose an SKS for a reason. now, i could perform an abortion with a coat hanger or i could perform an abortion with proper equipment. which do i choose and why?

[Zynx]

36. Apparently, he was hunting with the SKS as his deer rifle

The most recent batch of reports have it something like this:

1. Killer asks early in day to hunt on land; is told to fuck off.
2. Group of people later in day find guy back on land, in their tree stand.
3. Killer blasts group of hunters.
4. One hunter calls for help. Friends come.
5. Killer shoots them as well. Killer flees.
6. Killer arrested by police.

So he didn't come back with the SKS specifically to kill people. He seems to have been using it to hunt. I know people who do that (use SKS).

[PittPoliSci]

37. i was always under the impression that an SKS...

isn't a very good hunting rifle. it just seems like it would be too inaccurate to me. but that's just me...

[Zynx]

39. Decent out to two hundred yards, cheap, and can't break it.

Good enough for most deer hunting if you're using good ammo. People like it primarily because, like its parent the AK, you don't have to take care of it.

[PittPoliSci]

40. i was reading an interesting book...

i can't remember the name of it, but it was about surival incase of a zombie holocaust it recommended the AK-47 over M-16's because they don't break as often and aren't very complicated. pretty funny book though, on the whole.

[Zynx]

27. Gun was an SKS

Which wasn't banned anyway.

[PittPoliSci]

31. a friend of mine actually had an SKS.

damn thing should've been banned. there was some way he said you could file it down to make it fully automatic.

[sendero]

47. This is true...

.. of a large number of semi-automatic rifles. But you knew that, didn't you?

[Mr_Spock]

61. Heck, with the right tension in the finger many rifles will rapid fire

We were just talking about this WRT a rifle both me and a coworker own. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. I always get pissed when some dumb ass reporter describes an "automatic" pistol. One, it's in correct, two, most all pistols are semi-automatic and just because the word "automatic" is in there doesn't mean you can pull the word "semi" from in front of it.

Any liberal/progressive or whatever you wanna call yourself who isn't considering getting a gun (and I think you should) should at least learn some basic facts about guns. A gun in a rural area is not the same as a gun in an urban area. First thing I did when I moved from city to suburbs was buy a gun. Bottom line, all gun laws should be local.

[NEDem]

49. I have an SKS.

Bought it for fun, some people use guns for sport, I know its difficult to comprehend for some, but guns can be fun.

Not everyone who owns these kinds of guns is a RW nut. Liberals are known to own guns as well.

[chookie]

25. This goes to show....

...if the dead had been armed with a rocket propelled grenade launcher, they would be alive today. Perhaps a small tactical nuke.

Sorry to be flippant -- this is a horrific tragedy, terrible terrible.

I guess the "glass half full" NRA explanation will be that this guy was the archetypal lone nut, and that tens of thousands of assault rifles are in the possession of people who have yet to have murdered anyone for any reason, bizarre or otherwise.

[sendero]

46. Yes it is a tragedy...

... and another tragedy is that some here actually think the "assault weapons ban" prevented a single crime.

I'm starting to see why middle american looks down it's nose at "liberals", they just simply let idealism override any shred of common sense when it comes to some things.

This hue and cry about the "assault" weapons ban, which 99% of you know really fuck-all about, reminds me of folks who think you can legislate full employment. It would be nice, but reality has to soak in at some point.

I'm really sick of the gun rights issue losing millions of votes for the Dem party. As soon as you folks will wise up and grow up, maybe we can stop doing that.

[George_S]

28. Good thing no one said they voted for Kerry

That would have really pissed him off.

[Zynx]

29. In that part of this state, they're almost all Bushies

Fucking scary up there. I have little trouble imagining some of those backwoods nuts killing each other over hunting turf.

[dflprincess]

63. According to the reports the shooter was not from that area

He was from St. Paul.

[htuttle]

33. But did he eat any of them?

[Mackenzie]

45. No. He's a vegetarian. He only hunts for the sport of it.

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[Chelsea Patriot]

38. My Parents Live In Birchwood!

[gerrilea]

41. I had a cousin in Maine who was shot on her back porch...by "hunters"

Sorry to say this...but my cousin was 38 yrs. old and had twin 2 yr.old daughters and was shot twice and killed while standing on her back porch...at 3 pm in the afternoon...on her own "posted property" against hunting...the hunters...2 yrs later... were acquitted of any wrong doing...gotta love this country...:(

People kill with guns not the guns...the guy who did it was using a high powered telescoped rifle...to kill deer...?! And didn't know he shot a woman...the world has gone mad...

And anyone who thinks that you have a right to bear arms better "re-read" the 2nd amendment again...Bush w/ strict constructionists appointed...will take that "right" away...enjoy your guns while you have them...

[Zynx]

44. "was using a high powered telescoped rifle...to kill deer...?!"

Uh, you use high-powered telescoped rifles to kill deer.

The standard deer rifle is a bolt action chambered in .270 or higher with a variable scope. Typically accurate out between 250-300 yards.

Extremely lethal against humans, I should add. It's very unlikely to survive being shot by a bolt-action big game gun. Much more likely to survive a single shot from any handgun or most assault weapons.

[theHandpuppet]

50. I worry about my mom...

... who doesn't allow hunting on her land -- only thirteen acres, but the deer, wild turkeys and other animals are a joy to watch. It hasn't stopped poachers from hunting, though -- we've found whole deer carcasses discarded with only the racks sawed off. Some of these hunters shoot at anything that moves. The last straw was when they shot a pair of beautiful, great horned owls who had taken up residence on her property. Bastards. During hunting season we're afraid to stray too far from the house. It's like a shooting gallery with all the shots blasting day and night.

No offense to true sporting hunters, but until they (and the NRA) stop circling the wagons for even the worst scum among them, it's hard not to get freaked out at the sight of guys who drive buy in their jacked up pickups, full camo and enough of an arsenal to wipe out an entire species.

[Mari333]

53. Many farmers paint the word COW on their cows

to make sure hunters dont mistake them for deer here in the Midwest.
Farmers assume these guys can read, of course.

[Jack_DeLeon]

51. Yet another reason to support the death penalty...

This man was probably white.

I hope he gets the punishment he deserves.

Which IMO is the death penalty.

[GetTheRightVote]

54. Responsiblity remains with the Man who pulled the trigger

not the machine he used. I do not forgive the man or his actions but they are his actions not the guns. If you take the guns away only the criminals will own a gun. Sad but true. One of our problems in sociality is placing the blame on the wrong party, the man is at fault for pulling the trigger of the gun. Guns do not kill people, people kill people.

[tuckessee]

55. What if he's not white?

Does he still fry then?

[Jack_DeLeon]

60. Sure....

race shouldnt be a reason to avoid the death penalty.

I was just going on the assumption that juries usually less likely to give a white person the death penalty, and IMO that is what is wrong.

[currentsupply]

56. I'm cleaning my assult rifle right now

I don't plan on shooting anybody with it though so don't worry. It's fun to shoot, but here in california I can only get a 10 round magazine for it, and no pistol grip, and of course no full-auto.

I don't hunt with it, only target shooting, and it is real fun no matter who you are, you would like shooting it!

If we make guns illegal, I say cops go first.

[54anickel]

57. Wonder if he had a "Sportsmen for Bush" bumper sticker on his SUV?

:evilgrin:

[Blue_Tires]

59. sad, pitiful person

i wonder what the gungeonites think of this...

[leesa]

62. So THAT's why hunters need assault rifles!

[Moderator]

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