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RJ Connors Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 12:57 AM
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74. Thank you for your kind comments
This is how I have looked at these types of arguments for many years. This tends to be true in gay marriage and abortion and some other social issues. We never look at it from the side of the law, which the rule of law is what our country was founded on, but we look at, and debate in strictly emotional terms. And I think we do that because what most of the public debate is for, is using the debate as a tool to rabble rouse with, and thus obtain votes. So I just stay out of most of these debates because there just isn't anything really being discussed.

I have already given you my pet peeve on gay marriage so I might as well give you my one on abortion.

The issue for me is that the debate is just about giving the government more rights over the citizenry when it should be about extending rights to the citizenry, i.e. the unborn child. But to do that one would have to get into the underlying issues of law. The main one being is that our laws, which we derive from the English common law, has held for about 400 or so years now that a person is not a person until they are born, and only a person can have rights. This is where the pro-life, or as I like to call them the anti-freedom movement makes a big mistake when they claim that abortion is murder. If only someone would call them on it.

The fact is abortion is not, nor could it be, even before Roe v. Wade, a case for murder because the change of murder can only be made when a murder has been committed against the person. Seeing how the law has always held that a fetus is not a person there cannot be a charge brought against someone for murder of an unborn child.

Now if the anti-freedom movement had any real desire and ability to understand the issue what they would do is bring an issue to extend the right of a person to the unborn child. If they did that then a fetus would be a person under the law. This would be a position I could support because it is extending rights, i.e. freedoms to the individual. Not just giving the government more and more control over us. A position I simply cannot, nor ever will support.

But I'm not holding my breath until we start discussing these issues rationally. :toast:
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