Reply #11: So illegitimate elections in FL and MI count, but all the caucuses do not? [View All]

[mohc]

All these twists of logic that have to be made to show some way of Clinton being in the lead are absurd. If all the states are counted, including FL and MI, Obama is ahead in the popular vote 13,964,924-13,858,725. If you are going to throw out all the caucuses to get your result, there is simply no basis to retain Florida and Michigan in the count. Without those states even the primaries-only popular vote leans to Obama. What it all comes down to is Obama has a small lead in popular vote and delegates from primaries alone, and the bulk of his lead comes from caucuses. One can make arguments that primaries are preferred to caucuses, but that does not mean caucuses are completely invalid. Its a wash with primaries alone, and the caucuses basically break the tie. If you want to completely disregard caucuses because they are not as representative, Obama still leads in just the primaries. You can not include Florida and Michigan into that comparison because regardless of how valid you may see them, they certainly are less valid than the caucuses.