Reply #57: No, that's not what I said. Why do you insist on twisting what people say? [View All]

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Here's what I actually said

Yr question: 'Back to leftwing vs. rightwing, why do you think it is that most US congressional democrats vote pro-Israel, are against Goldstone, etc.?'

My answer: 'Probably many reasons. Sheer stupidity, reaction to lobbying, thinking they're catering to their voter-base, and a few more that I can't be bothered continuing to list...'

I'd ask you to stop trying to twist what I say into something I didn't say, but I know from past experience that you've got no intention of stopping.

The fact is, you are on the outside looking in with regard to both the American and Israeli leftwing mainstream. Your views are too extreme for the vast majority of Israeli and American leftists. IOW, your views on I/P are incompatable with the mainstream left in both countries. It's beyond ludicrous to claim that the majority of leftwingers in America and Israel are a little too "rightwing" or conservative, so why do you attempt to go that route with me?

Yr not interested in what my views actually are. You've shown that time and time again. Also, yr making up stuff again. I have NEVER claimed that the majority of leftwingers in America and Israel are a little too "rightwing" or conservative.


It's ironic that you bring up my lack of posting upstairs, as if that shows I'm really not so leftwing.

No, yr still not bothering to read what I said. I said that yr lack of comment on any issue other than the I/P conflict makes you look apolitical, and that you see left and right through a prism where if someone agrees with you they're left and if they dont they're either right or extreme left.


The irony is that you're even more "silent" WRT condemning Hamas' use of child shields and combatants, treatment of women and gays, incitement to kill Jews followed up by celebrating those murders (Sami Kuntar hero worship), Egypt's blockade and stopping all aid to Gaza, etc.

How many times do you have to be told that I've spoken up about all those things? I'm not sure what you think yr achieving by repeating the same false accusation over and over again.

Would it be fair to say you can't tolerate legitimate criticism of Arab leadership at all, without labeling it bigotry?

Actually, anyone with a bit of awareness of what goes on around them would have noticed that I do criticise Arab leaderships, so yr question is particularly silly...

Would it be fair to say you can't tolerate legitimate criticism of Arab leadership at all, without labeling it bigotry?

See above. Also, why don't you do something new and actually take the time to read my posts?


In your world only Israel should be criticized, and that criticism should run constantly 24/7 with no time to think about criticizing Arab leadership....?

See above again.


on edit: I came back to reread what you said about my supposed silence about the release of Samir Kuntar for example. Uh, just a suggestion so you won't get so much egg on yr face in future, but how about you take the few seconds needed to do a search of the archives? You just look silly when you come out with such ridiculous and easily disproved accusations...