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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:36 AM Original message |
Obama naysayers! Tell me how 5 months is enough time to change the World |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. Can/will you defend this??? |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. :::: crickets :::: |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The audacity. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. I won't defend it, cause it's wrong, but I will agree that the OP is correct. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Why should one waste time and energy on what has been done right? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
74. Is this a site to discuss, or to masturbate? |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. I'll try to get a handle on it! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. . |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #74 |
98. Or are you just stroking your *ego* ? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. Heh. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. .. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. That's called "topic drift" |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. That's called "duck and cover" . |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Why not bring up other thread topics in this thread while you're at it... |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Which one of those have to do with Obama's performance as POTUS?? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. So you want to hijack the thread on the Guest List? I see your strategy |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #36 |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. What is clear is that you will defend anything Obama does or does not do. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
58. Oh, Let it Go! |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. No, not "mooslims" corporate whores. Much worse. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
92. Yes, I don't give a damn about a "guest list"!!! Relative to healthcare, crashed banking system, 2 |
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kayell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. The guest list is relevant to all those issues. Who is visiting/advising him on health care? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. invite single payer advocates to your damn health care meetings! |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. What a novel idea n/t |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Single Payer is a big one, DADT/DOMA, his position on State Secrets, |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Are there enough votes to pass Single Payer, DADT, DOMA? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. L E A D E R S H I P |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. If he wants to have a legacy Obama is going to have to exercise leadership. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
75. Instead, this is where the power is exercised: |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
101. I totally missed that thread. Thanks for the post. No wonder the WH has no time for DADT... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Now if they'd just "get tough" where it counts. nt |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
108. Still keepin' the old powder dry. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Doesn't require a vote to invite single payer experts to the meetings. Just the will. |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. President can recind DADT with the wave of his hand... |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Wrong... Congress has to pass legislation overturning Clinton's DADT policy |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. He can put a freeze on enforcing it -- but he's too chickenshit to do that |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Wrong on two fronts... |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I think this is why he goes to court over every bush thing people think he supports. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. So IOW, Obama's fierce advocacy for gays was just bullshit. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I don't think so, did you read what I posted? |
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dgibby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
42. He doesn't need to change it with an executive order. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. And it could still be changed. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
90. So you have a problem with Obama going to bat for gay military members for 4 or maybe 8 years? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
56. He has the power to halt the discharges until congress does that. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
102. 10 USC 654... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
5. I think that the early days of a Presidency set the tone and direction. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
6. He hasn't even TRIED to get the fucking votes |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. He promised leadership on DOMA |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
32. You would put DOMA ahead of a collapsing economy, bank, home, auto and health industry? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Note. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
61. "He promised to lead and he is not leading. " |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
103. How is he leading on DOMA? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
93. Great, did Obama give a date and time for LBGT rights? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
53. Waited an hour to see if you were able to respond to what I said |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
15. Just |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:06 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. He is protecting "State Secrets" as strongly as any before. |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Apparently |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
16. Kick to the greatest page with fervent hope every one of junior's obscenities |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
18. Video - Bill Maher On Countdown |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
19. Obama has already accomplished one HELLUVA lot... |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Wow, you must be living high on the hog |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Who? And what did those Presidents accomplish in their first five months? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
30. If only someone had asked him to "change the world," this thread would make sense |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. it's another cheerleader "anti-'poutrage'" thread......gotta silence the critics |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
31. It's not what he hasn't done.....it's what he has done: |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Yep, I am sick of people acting like the problem is the lack of speed |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
89. Indeed |
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solstice (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. THANK YOU. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. This is my complaint as well. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
62. Every Fucking One of those Items is BUSH or CLINTON.... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Yes, they are very Bush/Clinton esque. Not much change, eh? |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Magic wand. Broken. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
34. If you want to fight the health care corporations, silencing their |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Let's see what happens. Also, are there enough votes to pass Single Payer now? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Are there enough votes to pass a strong public option now? |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. Saying "rally the American people" is not a plan, simply verbiage. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Did you watch the video, the plan would be to first educate |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:06 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Yes, I did watch the video. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. This video was recorded when Kucinich was running for POTUS |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #99 |
110. I usually vote for politicians who lay out specifics. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
45. Will you do the same? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
47. NAY! |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
50. How many threads do you need to start to say the same thing? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I wanted to show the steps involved in passing legislation and other comparisons |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
109. Until that horse he's beating is not just dead, but flattened. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
54. Here's what's going to happen. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Yep. n/t |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Out of Iraq? I'll bet money against that one. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. WOW. Now THAT is HOPE. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. shh -- don't tell the truth in GD:P. This is "all cheerleading, all the time" |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
55. As CIC he could halt the DADT discharges until it is overturned. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
64. I like the way you'd think Obama went back in time and started DODT, the war, the recession... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. so he's supposed to continue them? Aim high America! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
65. Good question. I don't even have my spring cleaning |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
66. Don't you get it? He wasn't elected "president". He was elected King and "Chief Wizard" |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
70. Can you post some evidence that naysayers have said, at any time, |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
76. I'm waiting for month number 47 of his first term. |
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960 (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
79. It's not the speed, it's the direction. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:13 AM Response to Reply #79 |
94. Other than DOMA it's not the direction it's people whining "are we there yet" |
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Willo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
80. The problem with the OP is that all problems started with Bush. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. So how does a President have magical powers or that of a monarchist King again? |
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Willo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. See the things you learn if you live long enough? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
83. Well, first tell us who said he should change the world? |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
87. It's what he HAS done.....defending DOMA, blocking guest list, etc. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Obama did not defend DOMA ferchrissakes... |
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newinnm (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. The justice department IS in the executive branch |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. OK... |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-16-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
88. If Obama stays at this pace, he will completely undo Republican malfeasance within four years. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
100. I think mostly what most people are disappointed in are his financial advisors and the democratic |
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