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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:49 AM Original message |
Hillary disses the Nevada caucus process and plays the "lowering expectations" game |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is she wrong? |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. She's not wrong. It's called rope-a-dope. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Caucuses are transparent. Democracy in action... |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yeah, Caucuses Are Transparent |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. so now you're dissing unions? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Clever But It Misses The Mark As With Most Sophistry |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. And when that union boss is on one side and all the workers |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #40 |
51. If You Relied On Research And Not Your Own Biases To Inform Your Views They Might Carry More Weight |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Then what's your arguement? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Again |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Leave out "union" and I'll agree... |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. What you are suggesting is... |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Not democratic. Not everybody who wants to vote can vote. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. You could make that argument about going to the voting booth... |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Nope. Completely different. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Then why do the caucus results reflect the polls? |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Polls? You gotta be kidding....Pollsters compete with each other and try to match the "trends"... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Except the pre-caucus polls didn't match the end result |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
46. "Caucuses are transparent, open processes" |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Amd what part of anything she said is incorrect? |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Incorrect? |
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Anouka (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. People can't say one thing, and act another -- that's what troubles her |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. Very well said--and others saying it also. I think she said similar stuff for Iowa |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. she's absolutely right |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Perhaps so. She should tell Nevada they're not doing it right. |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. it's not a matter of doing it "right" or "wrong" |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
52. But polling in Iowa clearly shows... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
8. Per Clinton's comments BELOW---there is NO-thing about lowering Expectations: |
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fuzzy otter pop (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
9. Screw the reason , she's right, |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
11. She said the same bullshit about Iowa... |
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Justyce (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Because of the reasons in the OP -- it disenfranchises too many people. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
39. The process doesn't disenfranchise.... |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. TwoSparkles pissed? Over something to do with Hillary?! |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. I know! So shocking! |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. if a warmongering Dem is one that votes to continue funding |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. No, a warmongering Dem... |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. and Obama co-sponsering the Resolution |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Yeah, right.... |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
17. So, it's ok with you if people are disenfranchised? |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Those criticizing Hillary Clinton are a bit like |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. The leaps of logic are what amaze me. |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. wash your mouth out with soap RIGHT NOW! |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. What's funny is... |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. what's even funnier |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
21. So, she makes an accurate observation and there's somehow political hay in that? |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
22. Obama does well where people are disenfranchised. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
25. I agree -- the caucus system sucks and is undemocratic |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
26. She's right |
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ursi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
28. And Rory Reid (Borg campaign manager) will tell us all to bend over, crack a smile and swallow |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
29. Gee, people actually have to go to some effort in a caucus state |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. This Isn't (d)emocracy) |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. You're stuttering. nt |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Is That Your Way Of Saying I Give Up |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #43 |
55. I was informing you, in case you hadn't noticed, that you have run |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
34. Yeah, so, she's right. |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
44. The caucus date itself is a problem for observant Jews |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. I can't believe I'm reading this. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
45. I agree with her about caucuses. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
50. The important thing is that Obama can win Nevada. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
58. Lowering expectations is what smart, experienced candidates do |
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Muddy Waters Guitar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
60. Or maybe it's because the caucus process is entirely transparent |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
61. hillary's such a disser... |
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