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7. Review: AC Grayling's latest attack on faith is smug, glib and lamentable
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:38 PM
Apr 2013

By Tom Payne
7:00AM GMT 27 Feb 2013

People are still debating whether or not Life of Pi, book or film, can make you believe in God. The novel didn’t have that effect on me. A C Grayling’s book came much closer: his “case for humanism” made me begin to long for faith. Or at least to long for a longing for it.

The book is really two books, or a brace of pamphlets, the first of which sets out to demolish any faith you might have had. It is written in the style of a don seeking to be accessible and sometimes forgetting himself, so that there are sentences such as: “If any such do not mean by ‘religion’ what has been painstakingly identified in the foregoing, then that closes the conversation…” It’s worth saying that his definition of “religion” isn’t that painstaking, and by the end of the book, humanism means pretty much what he wants it to mean: lots of sensible people thinking and doing good things.

There is one joke that works, although maybe it isn’t a joke. Here it is: “Pascal said that… the existence of a deity can be neither proved nor disproved (here he was mistaken; see above)…” You had to be there. This is on page 99, at which point he’s spent a while seeking to disprove that god exists (no capital g for Him). What he really offers are rebuttals of those who have sought to prove that there is a God. Before that, he’s devoted some time to making those who entertain a faith seem as silly as possible. When he comes to quoting a philosopher of faith, Alvin Plantinga, who accuses the New Atheists of “inane ridicule and burlesque”, you can see that Plantinga has a point. Pity the fool ...

What’s most lamentable about this book is not the quirks of tone, the infelicities of emphasis or the inconsistency, indeed occasional lack, of method. It’s the façade of appreciating how believers have created great art, without recognising the imaginative process behind it, and indeed behind faith. St Anselm’s arguments for God, along with Descartes’, are more revealing about the capacity of the human mind than they are about God, and deserve celebrating for that ...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/9885308/Review-AC-Graylings-latest-attack-on-faith-is-smug-glib-and-lamentable.html

It is a humanist manifesto, not an atheist manifesto. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #1
That's the headline. rug Apr 2013 #2
It seems to include many now-familiar rhetorical themes and salutes others who advance them: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #9
Perhaps instead of reading commentary you might go read the source. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #17
I already have stacks and stacks of stuff to read, stuff that actually challenges me struggle4progress Apr 2013 #23
Exactly so. There's nothing inherent in atheism that lends itself to any particular Joseph Ledger Apr 2013 #10
He does seem to have lit a fuse with out local religiously inflicted cohorts. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #16
I don't think you can equate a yawn with lighting a fuse. rug Apr 2013 #18
the line is "you fill me with inertia". Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #19
Yes, but some defacto7 Apr 2013 #27
The God Argument: The Case Against Religion and for Humanism by AC Grayling – review struggle4progress Apr 2013 #3
The God Argument: the Case Against Religion and For Humanism by AC Grayling – review struggle4progress Apr 2013 #4
contemporary physicists might be pretty embarrassed by the outmoded opinions of revered patriarchs? dimbear Apr 2013 #21
"In the regions of interplanetary space the density of the aether is therefore very great compared struggle4progress Apr 2013 #24
"Newton believed that ancient Greek and Roman mythology contained hidden alchemical secrets" struggle4progress Apr 2013 #25
Newton's life divides sadly into an early period of genius and a later period dimbear Apr 2013 #28
The Principia was published when he was about 45, which is not generally regarded struggle4progress Apr 2013 #29
So much for Sir Isaac. But the other ostensible culprit, Maxwell. What's the dimbear Apr 2013 #31
Maxwell's demon isn't snide: it's a useful thermodynamic thought experiment struggle4progress Apr 2013 #32
The important point is that Maxwell didn't actually believe in demons, we're dimbear Apr 2013 #34
The God Argument: The Case Against Religion and For Humanism by A. C. Grayling struggle4progress Apr 2013 #5
Reviewed: The God Argument by A C Grayling struggle4progress Apr 2013 #6
Review: AC Grayling's latest attack on faith is smug, glib and lamentable struggle4progress Apr 2013 #7
The God Argument, By AC Grayling struggle4progress Apr 2013 #8
Do have even a glimmer skepticscott Apr 2013 #11
Etaoin shrdlu! struggle4progress Apr 2013 #12
RIP Ottmar Mergenthaler. rug Apr 2013 #14
Or I might have been thinking of the Pogo character struggle4progress Apr 2013 #15
Grayling has noticed that okasha Apr 2013 #13
If his audience were fundamentally uncritical skepticscott Apr 2013 #20
And, in fact, some atheists are so full of faith in their atheism, that atheism might indeed struggle4progress Apr 2013 #26
Find us some atheists skepticscott Apr 2013 #33
Currently rating 3.8 out of 5 at Amazon. There is a single 1 star review, dimbear Apr 2013 #22
k&r is the term.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #30
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