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Showing Original Post only (View all)"White People are Not as Important as Bernie Sanders Thinks" [View all]
http://www.atlredline.com/white-people-are-not-as-important-as-bernie-sanders-thi-1776048976?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Above_The_Law:_Redline_twitterBy Elie Mystal
Bernie Sanderss central argument for the nomination is that he is in a better position than Hillary Clinton to take on Donald Trump. He says his comparative strength against Trump is because his message also resonates with the disaffected white men that form the basis of Trumps support. Bernie can cut into that support while Clinton will be vehemently opposed by that demographic, so he should be the nominee for anybody concerned with stopping Donald Trump.
Even assuming that is true (and the poll numbers do back Bernie up on this point), why do Bernie and his supporters think that is a good argument for all of us non-white, non-men, non-violently angry people out here? Having a way to tap into the boiling nihilism of the would-be Trump supporter doesnt make me happy. It makes me question whether the message is broad enough for modern America.
Lets remember, pissed off white people are responsible for much of the bad treatment experienced by women and minorities. Policies that purport to help pissed off white men are often sold in opposition to policies that would benefit women and minorities. I dont believe that the American dream is a zero-sum game, I do think that we can all move forward together. But when I see a crowd of screaming, angry white people, I dont think those guys are really passionate about racial justice and womens rights. Historically speaking, a mob of lightly educated white men is not good news for me.
And you want me to like Bernie because he appeals to those people?
You want me to go all in on SuperDelegates overturning the will of black and brown voters, as expressed in diverse primary after diverse primary, because Bernie has tapped into the angry white man vote? Have you Bernie supporters completely lost your minds? In what UNIVERSE am I supporting the guy who is being buoyed by white rage over the person who has won more votes without it?
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Look at his platform and see if you think his policies will make life better for you and your family
boobooday
May 2016
#1
You assume that anyone who reads Bernie's platform will be struck with how superior it is.
pnwmom
May 2016
#8
Hillary supporters strongly believe it shouldn't just be about economic equality
pnwmom
May 2016
#64
Speaking personally, I'm wary about "breaking up the banks" as an end in itself
Recursion
May 2016
#122
His interview with the NY Daily showed how little thought he'd given to that subject.
pnwmom
May 2016
#152
If you are on SSDI and disabled you are either on Medicare or will be after two years of
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#55
It is all they have, the race card. Personally I think Bernie is ten times better for all
Jackie Wilson Said
May 2016
#21
12$ has wide support in congress - 15$ does not. Pulling a number out of your but or bluffing like
bettyellen
May 2016
#212
There is nothing "racist" about minority voters trying to figure out why some think that the angry
Number23
May 2016
#71
"Angry hoards" isn't English. Angry hordes, which is what I wrote, is exactly what alot of people
Number23
May 2016
#137
The sad thing is that to appeal to people of color and women, a candidate will HAVE to alienate
Squinch
May 2016
#15
Exactly. Over the last 40 years, for the first time in the history of this country, white men
Number23
May 2016
#23
I don't see where Sanders explicitly or even "dog-whistled" that he only wanted white voters.
That Guy 888
May 2016
#33
Praising the economics of the 1950s and 1960s and New Deal is a pretty clear example
Recursion
May 2016
#36
It was partly what FDR thought he could get, and partly he wasn't as good a Dem as his wife.
That Guy 888
May 2016
#45
And woohoo. Women are now almost where men were in 1950. Which is sad. And we're losing ground.
Squinch
May 2016
#237
It's an interesting demonstration of how actual income matters less than how fast it's changing
Recursion
May 2016
#240
What you imagine is true -- and that's the problem. FDR's programs lifted white boats much higher
pnwmom
May 2016
#115
No, they aren't. Recognizing that a rising tide does not lift all boats is NOT anti-semitic.
pnwmom
May 2016
#179
I've never said he is a schemer, deceitful, craven, greedy or that he's plotting and conspiring.
pnwmom
May 2016
#206
actually, it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz and now Barbara Boxer and Barney Frank who are all Jewish
JI7
May 2016
#216
Thanks, JAG. I've had enough of the ever so casually incessant "anti Semitism" claims too
Number23
May 2016
#199
Bravenak would have likely been hidden by that person for anti-Semitism, real or not
Number23
May 2016
#202
Your words: "1StrongBlackMan openly engages in racism to try to defame and belittle
betsuni
May 2016
#167
I don't know what's worse. Your baseless charges of anti-Semitism that you keep thinking you are
Number23
May 2016
#198
As you know.. those are their go-to blanket memes for anyone who doesn't like burnie..
Cha
May 2016
#223
If you can't understand why many black people are not supporting Sanders this late in the game
Number23
May 2016
#197
All have is a bunch of hot air on Sanders part. And his past in Vermont indicates
pnwmom
May 2016
#156
His past, as cited by three people, and contradicted by three other people in the same article?
Scootaloo
May 2016
#162
things like focusing on college for everyone- when our HSs are so messed up-
bettyellen
May 2016
#213
I'm not sure there can be an economic message that's "not about race" in this country (nt)
Recursion
May 2016
#51
I'm not saying he did dog whistle that he only wanted white voters, and I don't actually think
Squinch
May 2016
#102
He claimed that he didn't campaign in the south (though he did) and then that it didn't matter
pnwmom
May 2016
#114
Thankfully that crap did not go unnoticed & down the rabblit hole.. one does wonder
Cha
May 2016
#224
Hillary lived in D.C. and in New York but still found the time to stay connected
pnwmom
May 2016
#20
Yes, she stayed in touch, will stay in touch. She is also smart enough to not rely
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#60
Well, you kind of missed my point. I'm not saying that you should favor Bernie over Hillary.
KPN
May 2016
#133
In many small and yet significant ways, Hillary has stayed connected ever since she moved
pnwmom
May 2016
#160
White people haven't been won by a winning Dem in several election cycles.
Starry Messenger
May 2016
#22
Sanders' campaign will be taught in books on how NOT to appeal to minorities/the Dem base
Number23
May 2016
#24
Funny, I see entitled people screaming that their guy should win over the millions of votes of
Number23
May 2016
#67
I am seeing the millions of minority voters who are standing up and VERY CLEARLY saying what we
Number23
May 2016
#74
Bernie is addressing minority concerns -- NOW he is. But when he entered into the campaign,
pnwmom
May 2016
#118
And what's so bad about it, it's bad enough when his manic supporters say this kind of crap
Number23
May 2016
#200
Oh, and remember when Hillary won Georgia or one of the Southern states.. and then
Cha
May 2016
#226
The most intelligent response to the spew from self-appointed guardians to the status quo. Thanks.
erronis
May 2016
#42
What else explains Sanders' wins? Look at the states he's won? Look at the polls? Look at who is
Number23
May 2016
#93
He wants more than that, because just getting the delegates from those states will NOT
pnwmom
May 2016
#72
I heard him say he's asking superdelegates from states where he won a majority to vote for him.
freedom fighter jh
May 2016
#145
It IS over with regard to pledged delegates. There are too few pledged delegates left to
pnwmom
May 2016
#154
You need to step away from this thread. If all you can muster up in response to this OP is
Number23
May 2016
#80
Sorry, I've watched this OPfor a long time and every message is the same.
passiveporcupine
May 2016
#85
The OP posted an article from the perspective of a minority voter. This is a WIDELY held view which
Number23
May 2016
#88
I don't hate Bernie. I would have voted for him if he were the nominee, but I don't see that
pnwmom
May 2016
#121
Bernie's ignorance of the popularity of President Barack Obama has been his downfall
thelordofhell
May 2016
#61
"Bernie has been in the center of the Civil Rights Movement from the get go."
BumRushDaShow
May 2016
#77
The division is there: look at the exit polls. Why do you think people shouldn't discuss it? nt
pnwmom
May 2016
#113
Two posts from him in this thread, both a whole bunch of nothing. Been here a month and SEVEN hides
Number23
May 2016
#136
"people who have lapsed into ignorant hysteria and actively discourage others from voting " PREACH!
bettyellen
May 2016
#214
To be fair, 40-45% of white voters pretty consistently vote Dem in presidential elections
YoungDemCA
May 2016
#181
Yup. This has been a thing since the beginning- the idea that their vote is crucial.
bettyellen
May 2016
#211
"In what UNIVERSE am I supporting the guy who is being buoyed by “white rage” over the person who
Cha
May 2016
#218
It is good. No wonder they are trying to pretend the rage is nothing to see here.
bettyellen
May 2016
#241
lovemydog, thank you, but the brilliant writing wasn't mine. It was Elie Mystal's.
pnwmom
May 2016
#245