Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: WATCH: IDF Soldier Screams At Israeli Activists: 'You Are Worse Than The Arabs' [View all]pelsar
(12,283 posts)where did you get this from? Because its not what i believe....
How can you say you don't believe that Arabs and Muslims to be forced to accept democracy by outside coercion when that belief, clearly, is what your defense of the Occupation is based on?
ok....this you got to explain:
I would never have said "just leave Gaza". I'd have had your troops pull back to the Green Line and take the settlers with them. That idea has nothing in common with what Sharon was talking about
are you aware that the troops pulled back to the old intl border and took the settlers with them?......If I recall, you believe sharon insulted them and they were so paralyzed by his words they simply couldnt do anything but shoot rockets over the border and try to murder people....is that it?
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Why is defending Western arrogance so important to you, anyway?
Its called honesty...if you believe that western democracy is the superior system and that it does in fact reduce wars, suffering, etc than I believe it is ones duty to help spread it, whenever possible...
.your calling it "arrogance" is just a cop out of ones responsibility to "fix the world" where possible but at the same time very very very hypocritical
i bet your one of those that believe in recycling and even promote it, how about global warming? do you also promote/educate those who dont know it? Why are you trying to convince me (others) about your version of what has to be done in the I/P, why not let us simple "believe it on our own?
this promotion of ideas to change israel is as your wrote: arrogant and elitist
why not lets us simple "learn on our own"? it may take time, but just as you believe the arab spring is not over, that gaza, iran etc will all sooner or later become democratic as they "learn on their own...wont us israeli's learn that the occupation is bad? why are trying to "force us" to change? .....it is you that are arrogant and hypocritical
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and now...where your wrong:
1) democracy was forced upon israeli arabs, who at first lived under military rule, had democracy forced down their throats and apparently its taken hold given a new muslim political party whos platform is restricted to arab affairs within israel.
so guess its is possible....under the right circumstances. Now instead of scrambling and start making up stuff why it couldnt happen anywhere else...accept that it did happen.
2) another example? the confederate south of american....were they not forced to accept the norths version of democracy and free the slaves?
3) and of course Japan had their whole culture turned upside down and had democracy dictated to them, and apparently it worked, (your stories lack names, dates and links, hence they have no credibility)
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history has shown us in fact that given the right circumstances democracy can in fact be forced.....But that aside, the Palestinians have a different history and many "friends" (like u) that clearly accept their dictatorships.... (with some pathetic excuse that lets them still languish under non stable dictatorships and that you and others like you actually protect)
hence, dont believe it can be done at this point, not because it shouldn't be, but because the attempt will be rejected not by the Palestenians as a whole, but by the elitist like u with your "theories" of "self learning" as well as the usual nationalists, islamist extremists etc
- the great coalition of far left, far right, religious extremists all agreeing upon rejection of pushing western democratic values upon the Palestenians