Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: WATCH: IDF Soldier Screams At Israeli Activists: 'You Are Worse Than The Arabs' [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And that no decent human being condones attacks on holocaust survivors. It's totally inappropriate to imply that anyone would.
As to those things as a justification for prevention of a non-democratic state...the problem is, preventing the creation of a state won't actually STOP any of those things from happening, and will ultimately only cause worse tactics to be used. Oppressed peoples almost always switch to more extreme methods of resistance the longer they are kept repressed(that's why the tactics in South Africa took the direction they took....the people tried nonviolence first, and got nothing but brutality in exchange...thus making it impossible to argue, in that situation, that nonviolence ever COULD have worked. Sad, but true, and part of the reason why outside onlookers have little right to make judgmental comments on the tactics of the oppressed, especially since such outsiders have little better to offer for ideas, ever.)
And the Israeli side has just as much to apologize for as the Palestinians, since Palestinians suffered just as much as, if not more than, the Israelis...and especially since it was never just violent Palestinians who suffered. Will your country ever apologize for the insane and completely unjustifiably provocative decision to invent, out of whole cloth, a West Bank settler movement that never would have existed if Ariel Sharon hadn't decided it should exist? Or about the murder of people like Tom Hurndall(whose only crime was trying to keep innocent, unarmed Palestinian children from being shot in cold blood just because of where they were running?)Or about the water theft? Or about any of the rest. Your side are NOT innocent victims here.
Finally, I'm not much of a private property freak, but it's damn cynical of you to try to cite socialist values as a justification for an occupying army to keep occupied, oppressed people off of their land. The IDF was never barring Palestinian farmers from working their farms out of commitment to the proletarian struggle, for God's sake...it was doing to simply to maintain the status quo, if possible forever. That's about as socialist as anything the British Empire ever did in India or Africa.