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In reply to the discussion: WATCH: IDF Soldier Screams At Israeli Activists: 'You Are Worse Than The Arabs' [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)75. Rabin is not one of yours. Barak's offers in 2000-01 went much further....
....than what Rabin was ever willing to concede. Here is Rabin in Oct 1995, right before he was killed:
We view the permanent solution in the framework of State of Israel which will include most of the area of the Land of Israel as it was under the rule of the British Mandate, and alongside it a Palestinian entity which will be a home to most of the Palestinian residents living in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines.
And these are the main changes, not all of them, which we envision and want in the permanent solution:
A. First and foremost, united Jerusalem, which will include both Ma'ale Adumim and Givat Ze'ev -- as the capital of Israel, under Israeli sovereignty, while preserving the rights of the members of the other faiths, Christianity and Islam, to freedom of access and freedom of worship in their holy places, according to the customs of their faiths.
B. The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term.
C. Changes which will include the addition of Gush Etzion, Efrat, Beitar and other communities, most of which are in the area east of what was the "Green Line," prior to the Six Day War.
D. The establishment of blocs of settlements in Judea and Samaria, like the one in Gush Katif.
http://www.fmep.org/reports/archive/vol.-5/no.-6/PDF
We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines.
And these are the main changes, not all of them, which we envision and want in the permanent solution:
A. First and foremost, united Jerusalem, which will include both Ma'ale Adumim and Givat Ze'ev -- as the capital of Israel, under Israeli sovereignty, while preserving the rights of the members of the other faiths, Christianity and Islam, to freedom of access and freedom of worship in their holy places, according to the customs of their faiths.
B. The security border of the State of Israel will be located in the Jordan Valley, in the broadest meaning of that term.
C. Changes which will include the addition of Gush Etzion, Efrat, Beitar and other communities, most of which are in the area east of what was the "Green Line," prior to the Six Day War.
D. The establishment of blocs of settlements in Judea and Samaria, like the one in Gush Katif.
http://www.fmep.org/reports/archive/vol.-5/no.-6/PDF
I think you live in some fantasy-land where you pretend Rabin was more leftwing than you give him credit for. Can you really see him going further than what Ehud Barak offered in 2000-01? I cannot. Yet you see Barak as rightwing and Rabin as left, despite Barak going much farther in his offer towards peace than Rabin ever would.
You claiming Rabin as one of your own is as humorous as Gideon Levy or Amira Hass doing the same. I wonder what you make of Gideon Levy, another one-stater? You're probably a big fan of his too, despite his leanings towards the end of Israel.
It's hard to take you seriously.
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WATCH: IDF Soldier Screams At Israeli Activists: 'You Are Worse Than The Arabs' [View all]
Purveyor
Apr 2013
OP
Don't change the subject. You cheer on palestinian rock-throwing child militants.....
shira
Apr 2013
#6
Quite a bit takes place outside the territories, in Jerusalem, around the holy places....
shira
Apr 2013
#27
Throwing rocks at soldiers is fine, throwing rocks at civilians is unacceptable.
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#10
Does the rock-throwing justify keeping Palestinians away from Palestinian-OWNED land?
Ken Burch
May 2013
#101
Perhaps some rock throwing, at some time, justifies any IDF action against Palestinians anytime?
delrem
May 2013
#102
You know perfectly well that I don't approve of any of the things you listed there.
Ken Burch
May 2013
#122
The problem is, you see YOUR belief(that is, defense of the "lesser evil" by any means necessary)
Ken Burch
May 2013
#135
The statement is double talk as the British Palestine mandate included all of the West Bank
azurnoir
Apr 2013
#76
i don't have the money to buy a book to get basic information about everything i'm interested
HiPointDem
Apr 2013
#67
Aww, what's the matter? Are you sad no one here wants to play your bullcrap game?
shira
Apr 2013
#25
I think you're a provocateur, and that you are everything the IDF soldier represents in this video.
delrem
May 2013
#103
It's your nature to be an internet coward, always deflecting. So I don't blame you. n/t
delrem
Apr 2013
#14
play? what kind of a retrograde are you? The OP has nothing to do with rock throwing. nt
delrem
Apr 2013
#45
If there is a war going on, and enemy soldiers arrived near my house, armed up.
bravenak
Apr 2013
#32