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shava

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32. When people respond to a news story, it's as though it weren't to a real situation
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:41 PM
May 2013

with real people.

"Someone should do something about this..."

"We should have standards about these sorts of things...' (who is this we?)

"We should only approach these things if we can do them correctly..." (again, what we and with what funding...?)

Then when activists, often scrappy people with no budget and a lot of guts and a few friends who have the heart to jump off cliffs with them, go out to try to save the world, and "do something about this," all they hear is that they are doing it wrong -- the classic syndrome of the left eating our young.

Because we don't fund things. Or hang together rather than allowing various folks to hang separately. We are very quick to criticize and play armchair general from the sidelines.

The people who do these things are often real people struggling with what they see as real and present dangers, very much wishing for our help (even if it were to tell them in this case, "we'll do studies to show conclusively that there's not a danger so you can sleep better, and we'll make sure that money is clean and untainted and so are the studies.&quot Activists operate in an environment of strapped resources.

So it's not ad hominem, sorry -- it's just that your comment seemed like a conversation spark on that very thing. That we should be thinking of these projects as catalytic, not incompetent, and realizing how difficult it would be to do them as competently as you wish, then perhaps accepting that doing them at this level furthers the conversation adequately for the risk/benefit for society over the alternative of [nothing at all].

It was right around WWI that mathematician and philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote a classic on leftist movements, New Roads to Freedom, I think it was, where he tried to explain how the burgeoning labor movements of contemporary England were, in fact, not scary but trying to aid the stuffy middle class of the time. In the introduction he has one of the best descriptions of the character of the activist leader that has ever been written. He talked about how they often come off as angry and bitter and arrogant, because they are men (product of his time) of vision, and it is to clear to them how the run of ordinary men are blind to paths that would liberate them and easily make their lives and society better in so many ways, yet they are rebuffed by the society they try to help.

When I see people tearing down the efforts of young people trying to help society like this rather than rushing to help them -- even if it's to help them modify their approach or to analyze what is wrong with academia that forces this approach -- I feel forced into Russell's model -- a curmudgeon basically grousing in a corner that everyone is "doing it wrong."

See why I lurk, now that I can't just rush to help instead of just bitching about it all?

It's not about you. In another time, I'd be off doing something about it myself, or catalyzing someone to do so more directly. Now I mostly get to just analyze why it won't likely happen.

Whatever. bunnies Apr 2013 #1
that study was also bogus.... mike_c Apr 2013 #2
Its a "personal bias" to say that poison is poison? bunnies Apr 2013 #5
it is when the actual evidence doesn't support that bias.... mike_c Apr 2013 #8
Its only called that by monsanto representatives socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #9
What about Monsanto's own studies, Mike? appal_jack Apr 2013 #20
oh no, it's well understood that self study is about as objective... mike_c Apr 2013 #22
I agree that most scientists are good, ethical people. appal_jack Apr 2013 #23
Xenoestrogens are known to be toxic BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #3
and yet folks doing bad science rely upon confirmation bias rather than... mike_c Apr 2013 #4
I'm not a chemist BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #6
The body produces the estrogens we need socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #10
You don't have to try to convince me xenoestrogens are horribly toxic BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #11
Just giving you more ammo for your arsenal to use against monsanto reps socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #12
More ammo is always good BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #13
The wealthy can afford organic, free range food. socialsecurityisAAA Apr 2013 #19
No. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #15
K&R Progressive dog Apr 2013 #7
You have completely ignored the important part of that study. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #14
with all due respect... mike_c Apr 2013 #17
The academy protects its own shava May 2013 #24
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #25
long time listener first time caller shava May 2013 #27
We are glad you came aboard! hrmjustin May 2013 #28
for more discussion on this on my G+ shava May 2013 #29
this paper describes areas KT2000 Apr 2013 #16
Thanks, Mike. (And, TBH, I wish Mrs. Haspel could do a similar article on the AGW issue as well.) AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #18
I don't like Monsanto's practices either, uriel1972 Apr 2013 #21
That is a reasonable Newest Reality May 2013 #26
I assume you have a plan to fund this then? shava May 2013 #30
I appreciate your Newest Reality May 2013 #31
When people respond to a news story, it's as though it weren't to a real situation shava May 2013 #32
Ok, then. Newest Reality May 2013 #33
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