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Amishman

(5,540 posts)
42. Thank you, way to much tinfoil around here on this topic
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 08:42 AM
Jun 2017

The need for physical access makes widespread hacking really infeasible

The lack of red flags when the data is professionally reviewed by statisticians (Silver, etc) makes it even more improbable.

The vote totals weren't altered.

Suppression, yes. Propaganda, yes. Hacking and exposing DNC secrets, yes. Manipulating vote totals, NO.

KnR! Cha Jun 2017 #1
And yet elections officials REFUSE to do hand recounts, and intimidate citizens who question results diva77 Jun 2017 #2
There was a time when this would be a major story on the likes of 60 Minutes Ligyron Jun 2017 #17
What are you going to do when it is also a meh issue for Democrats? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #35
I posted action alert;might help to start holding elections officials accountable for epic failure diva77 Jun 2017 #37
Amen!! stevepal Jun 2017 #76
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #3
Yes, we have known about the hacking for years.... Trial_By_Fire Jun 2017 #4
Dem leaders say voters will lose confidence onit2day Jun 2017 #64
Each voter deserves a RECEIPT of his vote. And the district needs to keep a copy Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #5
I thought receipts were the answer too, but I was told they aren't, CrispyQ Jun 2017 #71
Or the districts that refuse could be threatened with 2nd amendment remedies Maraya1969 Jun 2017 #6
We need to begin today shouting this from the rooftops... lastlib Jun 2017 #12
K&R'd & bookmarked. snot Jun 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author snot Jun 2017 #8
I've have been saying for years that is would be reasonably easy to find this sort of hacking. Stonepounder Jun 2017 #9
I totally agree kyburbonkid Jun 2017 #21
C-span video of computer science expert testifying before Senate Intel to that effect last week: Amaryllis Jun 2017 #10
Duh. n/t tazkcmo Jun 2017 #11
the hell else do we need.... dhill926 Jun 2017 #13
It is too simple to just say, "optical scan bad, hand count good". Crash2Parties Jun 2017 #14
Optical scan verified with hand count better. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2017 #24
The gold standard! Mopar151 Jun 2017 #34
You know what's also too simple? Reductive statements. kcr Jun 2017 #47
Not the best way kwijybo Jun 2017 #15
We need to repeat, over and over: "ALL elections must be with paper ballots and MUST be audited" JoeOtterbein Jun 2017 #16
What is so difficult about this concept? Very advanced countries use paper ballots with no problems. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #18
Optical scanners USE PAPER BALLOTS OldRedneck Jun 2017 #20
A verifiable audit would be done by hand. Ballots would be chain-of-custody verified. No business JoeOtterbein Jun 2017 #31
Would someone please get a grip on reality??? OldRedneck Jun 2017 #19
Does your machine accept a memory card? PoliticAverse Jun 2017 #23
Pointless video that proves nothing Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #50
Thank you for your contribution. A few questions: Girard442 Jun 2017 #25
NOt OldRedneck, but I can answer those questions for Colorado vote by mail ballots. politicat Jun 2017 #38
just because hacking hasn't occurred on your watch does not mean it never happens. no one is saying TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #65
And I am not saying it hasn't happened elsewhere, or that it's impossible here. politicat Jun 2017 #77
I can answer all those for NC at least Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #48
there's simply no need for computers period Blues Heron Jun 2017 #27
Thank you! Treat a vote as a valuable as a $100 bill is to a business: check it by hand and eye! JoeOtterbein Jun 2017 #33
... you do know that it's trivially simple to fool several counterfeit tests? politicat Jun 2017 #39
The premise is that the base code of the voting machine has been compromised. Calista241 Jun 2017 #36
There shouldn't be any base code at all Blues Heron Jun 2017 #41
If you plug anything into a wall for power, there going to be code Calista241 Jun 2017 #45
Secret proprietary code has no place in voting. Blues Heron Jun 2017 #49
Secret proprietary code is more secure, and harder to hack, than open source code. Calista241 Jun 2017 #54
Like I said you are a very trusting soul LOL Blues Heron Jun 2017 #55
I work in software security, and what I said is a fact. Has nothing to do with trust. Calista241 Jun 2017 #56
It's irrelevant, we don't need the computers period. Blues Heron Jun 2017 #57
maybe, assuming there are no bad actors, which would be a very naive assumption, IMO. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #66
Thank you, way to much tinfoil around here on this topic Amishman Jun 2017 #42
There isn't only one premise. kcr Jun 2017 #44
How is the data procured if they aren't connected in any way except an electrical cord? kcr Jun 2017 #43
There are two ways Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #53
Just because there's no connection to the internet kcr Jun 2017 #59
Not impossible in theory but in practice and application it is fantasy Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #60
That's great but we could vote tomorrow on pen and paper Blues Heron Jun 2017 #61
You realize fraud happened all the time with paper, right? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #62
So lets see the code if it's so great Blues Heron Jun 2017 #63
So much wrong with your post. kcr Jun 2017 #72
Then tell me one plausible method Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #73
executable files can be loaded via a memory card. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #67
And how are they doing that? Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #69
Whether or not Russia actually hacked the vote, it simply shouldn't be possible to hack the vote. unblock Jun 2017 #22
correct; some people refuse to get this. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #68
Chimp Hacks Diebold GEMS tabulator turbinetree Jun 2017 #26
Just like healthcare we are doing this wrong Moral Compass Jun 2017 #28
Segment from "Hacking Democracy" (2006) demonstrating hack of optical scanner machine... PoliticAverse Jun 2017 #29
This map does not show it but.... prairierose Jun 2017 #30
I like the look of those hand-counted paper ballot districts. byronius Jun 2017 #32
Well we better hope there are some Good Hackers Thrill Jun 2017 #40
Nothing in the linked article backs up the headline Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #46
Nobody's even allowed to see the secret proprietary code Blues Heron Jun 2017 #51
And even if it's not hacked, there might be glitches and errors: DetlefK Jun 2017 #52
geez, looking at that map bdamomma Jun 2017 #58
The takeaway here: All methods are flawed and we're likely never to have another clean election. BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #70
They are optical scan vote counting machines Progressive dog Jun 2017 #74
Duh colsohlibgal Jun 2017 #75
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