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14. People back then just didn't understand, SGMRTDARMY. They just didn't get it.
Mon May 28, 2012, 04:10 PM
May 2012

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Having come from that time, myself, many of us just didn't understand.

Yes, there were many among us (coming of age in the '70s) who protested the war and followed the carnage, and tried to understand the horrors of that reality that we were all so insulated and sheltered away from. I don't know of anyone in those ranks who responded to returning Vietnam Veterans with as much cruelty and ignorance as there was. But we saw it. And yeah, there were people who cursed and denounced. Not sure about the stories of spitting on returning troops and if it happened I completely condemn it! I would have, then, too. It was such a horrible morass that sucked some people down into a darkness where they would otherwise never have chosen to go.

And there was so little understanding of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and what war does to you. Easy to misunderstand when all one does is watch it on the evening news and never sees or feels or smells or touches the bloodshed or wreckage or dismemberment or death. The human mind processes simplistically, it seems. Many of us when you and your brothers came home just did not understand. And there was precious little attempt to make sense of it, or to educate about it - mainly because there was so little public or official recognition of it. In some places it was just not even spoken. And people ACTIVELY sought NOT to recognize this as a fact, to acknowledge PTSD as something very real requiring proper classification and treatment and response. Easier to ignore it and sweep it away - and in true willful defiance of any 12-step program - to deny you even have a problem.

Hell, too many people TO VERY THIS DAY still scoff and sneer at the very idea of PTSD. "Just something those stupid naive lib'ruls made up to force me to pay higher taxes..." "when 'Real Men' know their job is to just shut up and get over it." But it's VERY real. You don't emerge from that kind of horror without being affected, without being changed, without being scarred. And it takes a LOT of work to heal that - not just within your own self as one who went to war, but also within all those around you who love you and live with you and/or see you or work with you or otherwise interact with you every day.

We've become a nation where empathy is laughed at. Laughed at!!!!! Sneered at. Scoffed at. Viewed as dehumanizing, somehow. As some sort of terrible un-American unpatriotic negative. Empathy somehow means you're weak and not a "real" American. Well, NOBODY quite understands what a "real" American is, anymore, and it sure as hell is NOT some John Wayne-meets-Steven Seagal-on-"24" hybrid. And it seems to me that's the biggest dishonor we show to our troops and our veterans.

Welcome back, SGMRTDARMY. Thank you for your service, and your struggle, and your sacrifice. It is very real to us here. I'm sure as hell not going to belittle it or roll my eyeballs at it or tell our Vietnam veterans (or ANY veterans) in their pain just to get over it. And you sure as HELL don't boo them as they cope with their own issues and struggles. Patriotism isn't just some slogan you slap on your back bumper. It's how you live your life and how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who cared enough to put THEIR lives on the line for this country.

Looked like the wall touched him like it does most liberal N proud May 2012 #1
I went there 3 years ago SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #2
I never went to war and have always objected to them. I went there in the mid-80's calimary May 2012 #9
Very nicely said. tclambert May 2012 #11
Beautifully said. eom Frustratedlady May 2012 #12
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #24
well said. Another thing that happens is the quiet that falls upon us as we walk the length of it Beaverhausen May 2012 #28
Wow. I went there. I cried. babylonsister May 2012 #36
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #30
Replying to troll here - I apologize in advance for it being out of place JonLP24 May 2012 #31
CNN poll says Romney is ahead of Obama with Veterans.. cheriemedium59 May 2012 #3
I just don't believe it SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #5
Don't believe it either. sarge43 May 2012 #7
Here'a a link Mutiny In Heaven May 2012 #17
Because while active they are bombarded with Limpballs Doctor_J May 2012 #20
Good fucking question, SGM... Aviation Pro May 2012 #26
Couldn't have said it better myself. SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #32
That hurts. It's a slap in the face to the Obama and Biden families who've made veterans and calimary May 2012 #10
Most of the veterans I know Rittermeister May 2012 #15
Edge of rural here, too. Ship of Fools May 2012 #25
VFW... GoCubsGo May 2012 #29
I would love to see a poll SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #33
I have very little respect for CNN as a news network Iliyah May 2012 #16
The group "Veterans" includes a lot of old, very right-wing people jeff47 May 2012 #18
He wants to increase miltary spending. Mz Pip May 2012 #19
Someone else raised the point that the demographics in that group tend to be older white men, NYC Liberal May 2012 #21
K&R Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #4
He was pretty blunt about how badly the returning vets were treated after the war. I recall AlinPA May 2012 #6
I remember being called some pretty awful names SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #8
Welcome home to you, Sir! Frustratedlady May 2012 #13
People back then just didn't understand, SGMRTDARMY. They just didn't get it. calimary May 2012 #14
Reading this I teared up. SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #35
grover norquist quote-of-the damned - featured in one of babylonsister's threads calimary May 2012 #37
That was especially meaningful, hearing the President say "Welcome Home" pinboy3niner May 2012 #34
I am going to have to watch this later on. NYC Liberal May 2012 #22
Here: Watch President Obama's Speech at the Vietnam War 50th Anniversary SunsetDreams May 2012 #23
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #27
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