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Party Loyalty [View all] H2O Man Mar 2015 OP
Than you, thank you, thank you. haikugal Mar 2015 #1
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #64
but,but, but, SCOTUS!!!! nt antigop Mar 2015 #2
Right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #73
+1 gazillion marym625 Mar 2015 #185
You are missing the point nakocal Mar 2015 #3
I', not "missing" H2O Man Mar 2015 #10
Plus it is another RW falsehood. The Dem vote for Bush in Florida made Nader votes meaningless. Rex Mar 2015 #14
Also conveniently forgotten is the approx. 80,000 probable Dem voters who were wrongfully purged. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #22
Yeah I had a chart, was just looking at all the voting irregularities in Florida. Rex Mar 2015 #26
Condolences...I feel for you, seriously. haikugal Mar 2015 #30
unrelated aside: i recently learned diebold is a very old company, started as a safe company ND-Dem Mar 2015 #92
I forgot that.. haikugal Mar 2015 #120
And ES&S is no better. Diebold accomplished its 'mission' but had such a bad reputation sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #139
seriously, a visionary? why? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #56
He has a 'plan' to return America to it's former glory. Rex Mar 2015 #69
It's former glory was the 1950s & 60s. the only thing he likes about that period was segregation ND-Dem Mar 2015 #91
Hard to believe now that TX once gave us LBJ, Sam Rayburn and KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #243
yes. i don't get why some folks are so fixated on nader while caring so little about voter ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55
and then there was this, G_j Mar 2015 #88
I hadn't seen that. That is shocking. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #90
YEP. Rex Mar 2015 #145
too challenging intellectually, emotionally, psychologically to face the facts. 2banon Mar 2015 #135
And that would help explain why so many Republicans were elected and so few Democrats this last -none Mar 2015 #210
Some folks have odd priorities. merrily Mar 2015 #285
+10 Saw the video & post about the Chair of the FL Dem. Party & her husband. Awful- Mess. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #167
A difference many will fail to perceive.... daleanime Mar 2015 #19
Another falsehood. Bush got 200,000 votes from conservate dems in Florida. Rex Mar 2015 #12
And it's parroted most faithfully by... conservative Dems. winter is coming Mar 2015 #16
This is a tired and disproved assertion, chervilant Mar 2015 #18
Indeed. Well put. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #121
He is not missing the point. It appears you have completely missed the point. GORE WON! sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #39
If you think that's bad Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #57
Must have been a conservative-Bush voting Dem no doubt. I emember Sandra O'Connors comments 2banon Mar 2015 #137
I'm sure MIRT, assuming it was not a long time poster, took care of that obvious right wing troll? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #181
No, s/he's still here Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #222
You're the one that has "missed the point" as well as misunderstanding the facts. 2banon Mar 2015 #118
Would you support instant runoff voting then? Ralph Nader running then wouldn't have mattered... cascadiance Mar 2015 #124
That's something to think about. You make some excellent points that if Dems really sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #218
A few things. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #183
Untrue and irrelevant. merrily Mar 2015 #227
Amen madfloridian Mar 2015 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #81
You speak the truth and you speak for me. leveymg Mar 2015 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #87
I feel RiverLover Mar 2015 #6
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #89
Thank you! peacebird Mar 2015 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #95
"It’s strange to me, as an activist on the left, to see how we continue to be taken for granted" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8
Write on! H2O Man Mar 2015 #98
"Truman and LBJ worked to discredit Olds as (what else?) a commie, ...." 2banon Mar 2015 #141
Yes, he was alive. H2O Man Mar 2015 #160
Jesus, I'm sorry the haberdasher from Independence allowed himself to be used KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #245
I think Truman probably needs better context JonLP24 Mar 2015 #233
Thing is, even Democratic Presidents are a mixed bag, including Truman. merrily Mar 2015 #287
Excellent OP. One of the issues I have with the center is that they always demand party loyalty Rex Mar 2015 #9
Very well said! H2O Man Mar 2015 #100
Wish I could rec your post. I'm mad at SCOTUS for not allowing the KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #246
Very well said. 99Forever Mar 2015 #11
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #101
Excellent post. cyberswede Mar 2015 #13
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #103
the DLC made itself into a cash nexus since 1988, likewise its successors MisterP Mar 2015 #15
I agree. H2O Man Mar 2015 #105
heck, the vacuous parties south of the border would at least hand out a little beef MisterP Mar 2015 #127
Right! H2O Man Mar 2015 #128
Southcom in Panama, Ft Benning, Ft Bragg, and some mysterious place in Houston TV's broadcast range MisterP Mar 2015 #156
I'm a bit late to this thread, but I sure as heck wish you and H20 Man woud build KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #248
+10 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #171
I read somewhere that, in 1980, the then head of the DNC wrote Democrats in Congress, merrily Mar 2015 #282
There's no point in winning if we act like republicans when we get in. Policy and politics aren't craigmatic Mar 2015 #17
Yeah, I'm sure Mitt would have... Adrahil Mar 2015 #27
We need to start thinking past just getting the SCOTUS nominees to getting progressive laws passed. craigmatic Mar 2015 #31
Right now, the SCOTUS nomination is the MOST IMPORTANT thing as President can do. Adrahil Mar 2015 #65
Who was the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Scalia and Thomas were confirmed? Fuddnik Mar 2015 #126
Funny--this word-string seems to be composed of English words, but Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #36
Yeah, iPAD-itis. Adrahil Mar 2015 #66
I tend to think of all these little word-completer and spell-check functions Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #82
Yeah, I gotta turn the damn thing off. n/t Adrahil Mar 2015 #85
If you are worried about Scotus, then tell the Party Leadership to provide candidates that represent sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #40
Your post is the essence of what I think is wrong. Adrahil Mar 2015 #68
"I am not interested in noble defeats." LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #71
I think that's utter foolishness. Adrahil Mar 2015 #74
No, those are Third Way talking points. woo me with science Mar 2015 #150
If money is your major concern, then this is true. Otherwise, no. bettyellen Mar 2015 #240
I wish brentspeak would post more. merrily Mar 2015 #280
I was going to reply to you but woo said it 576 times better than I could LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #192
He or she (woo) sure has a way of saying things better than I can as well. merrily Mar 2015 #281
Bingo!!!! Fuddnik Mar 2015 #130
'I'm not interested in noble defeats'. Me neither. So you must be, like most Democrats I know, very sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #93
And I've personally seen our current DNC Chair endorse Repukes over progressives in congressional ra Fuddnik Mar 2015 #134
Amazing, isn't it? How it's okay for elected Dems to endorse Republicans, while BLAMING VOTERS sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #142
Obama did something similar with Chafee, citing a personal relationship. merrily Mar 2015 #288
Absolutely! H2O Man Mar 2015 #106
Yep, a seat at the table. Not much to ask, but as you note, rarely given. suffragette Mar 2015 #20
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #108
It is always a pleasure to read your posts, H20 Man KMOD Mar 2015 #21
I appreciate that! H2O Man Mar 2015 #109
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. -Will Rogers Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #23
A great quote! H2O Man Mar 2015 #111
k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #24
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #112
Just another huge Thank You! G_j Mar 2015 #25
Right! H2O Man Mar 2015 #113
Holy Fuck! I WAS a Zippie and a Yippie again in '72. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #136
Excellent OP n/t Scootaloo Mar 2015 #28
Thank you H2O Man Mar 2015 #114
It's real voters VERSUS secret, electronic, black box vote "counters." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #29
It always amuses me H2O Man Mar 2015 #115
I stopped reading at --- "Still, Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election." Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #32
True, he won on a technicality. Long after the SCOTUS ruled and Bush was already Rex Mar 2015 #33
Gore DID win. The voters chose Gore! Were you there at the time? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #42
Please don't insult my intelligence. Gore was NEVER the President!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #44
The truth is the truth and it's hard to contradict it. Gore won that election. And he would have sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #48
Who said Gore became President? No One. Gore Won, but wasn't ALLOWED to take his rightful place. 2banon Mar 2015 #147
Straw man. No one said Gore was President. merrily Mar 2015 #289
It would be best H2O Man Mar 2015 #47
Well, personally I would not comment on something I admit I did not read. I would find it hard to sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #179
AKA: A "bloodless coup d'etat". I agree with you, but it's fascinating that the person KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #249
Too bad. You missed out on an excellent piece Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #72
Thank you for this excellent OP. Bookmarking for the inevitable scolders and fingerwaggers. SaveOurDemocracy Mar 2015 #34
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #116
As a social-political activist ofmany decades, also ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #35
exactly JI7 Mar 2015 #37
I guess I should add ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #38
Are you implying that the rest of us here haven't done the same thing? THAT is the point of this sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #43
The problem I have with the progressive left ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #49
Are you saying that the Democratic Party is NOT 'left'? Since when did the 'left' become a sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #50
I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #60
All the benefit they need to know is they don't have an elk's chance in a supernova without us and TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #94
All I'll say is ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #102
My anger was well earned over a number of years. I didn't start out this way by ANY stretch. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #131
Yeah ... Okay. ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #133
Also the sad canards here that gets played out are well...sad. Rex Mar 2015 #140
They don't even pretend to be Progressives LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #197
I won't "pretend" to be a part of any group (on du) ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #244
I agree, you don't bother to hide your actual LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #254
I wouldn't know what the 3rd Way has ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #256
How sad. You are using, maybe inadvertently, the old Limbaugh, Right Wing noise machine sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #271
What's more sad is when it applies ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #291
Inadvertently using Limbaugh framing? No, intentionally using it LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #301
Yeah. Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #302
Yes, there isn't a Democrat around here who doesn't recognize those old talking points aimed at sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #304
"groups that work to find convincingly workable solutions" LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #300
Yeah. Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #303
Yeah, we don't want to talk about uncomfortable things LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #307
Yeah, Uh huh. That's nice ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #308
You're not alone. Dem Party voter registration is down to only 32% with many now registering sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #223
Well, it's possible I'm misunderstanding you. And I do respect that you are willing to discuss sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #225
LOL! You called him on griping about progressives griping and he got all defensive Rex Mar 2015 #83
Reading is NOT your strong suit, is it ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #107
They demand your vote and for you to shut up afterwards and neverforget Mar 2015 #178
Thanks for confirming what I have noticed lately. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #207
Very well said!!! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #53
Democrats ARE the "Progressive Left" RiverLover Mar 2015 #62
No ... they are NOT! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #80
The Third Way Think Tank has enormous influence on the LEADERSHIP of the Dem Party. They sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #187
You know you keep trying to convince yourself (and others) of that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #201
That poll proves what I stated. The majority of Dems are Liberals. Conservo Dems dropping sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #220
It seems odd he posted a graph that proved he was wrong tkmorris Mar 2015 #224
Wait, what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #252
Can you name a caucus within the Democratic caucus that is A Simple Game Mar 2015 #215
Pay no attention to them, they are a dying breed of Dem. Rex Mar 2015 #84
Yes, pay no attention to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #119
Are you reading your own chart? tkmorris Mar 2015 #226
I am baffled by that chart also. It proves me and the other poster to be correct. The smallest group sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #228
Yes the Chart absolutely supports my claim. See: Post 250. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #251
Yes, I read the chart ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #250
Some will make good the enemy of adequate relative to the GOP choice. uponit7771 Mar 2015 #77
+1, this logic seems like common sense low hanging fruit, the rest seems like rationalization uponit7771 Mar 2015 #76
That's good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #117
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #132
Mahalo 1StrongBlackMan!.. No, "party loyalty" from me whatsoever.. I couldn't care less.. Cha Mar 2015 #229
And it would be the rare, rare Democratic nominee ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #247
Me, neither.. it seems stupid. Maybe somebody on here was talking about the need but I ignore Cha Mar 2015 #257
Thank you for the great post. bearssoapbox Mar 2015 #41
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #125
Thank you for the reading suggestions. bearssoapbox Mar 2015 #309
This is so true: "the true progressive-liberal wing rarely gets any seat at the table" sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #45
The left is taken for granted...and then blamed if things don't work out right cyberswede Mar 2015 #79
I think the real reason why Republicans do not treat their voters, no matter how far out they are, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #194
Especially when it is THEIR ideas that are the most popular with Voters across the political spectru WillTwain Mar 2015 #146
And they've lied about that too. We are constantly told the lie that 'this is a right of center sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #198
Right On Point WillTwain Mar 2015 #204
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #161
Thanks for another great post, H2O Man Hekate Mar 2015 #46
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #169
It's odd that those calling for Party Loyalty vote for Democratic politicians who disloyally Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #51
the ones who applauded Lieberman after lecturing us that third parties were ruining America? MisterP Mar 2015 #123
Yes, doncha just love the inane "Purists" meme? 2banon Mar 2015 #151
It's childish, boring and utterly unpersuasive, so no. merrily Mar 2015 #290
indeed, indeed. 2banon Mar 2015 #293
Meh. They're just trying for a pony. merrily Mar 2015 #294
It's kind of puzzling why they continue to further insult and alienate us. 2banon Mar 2015 #295
Bullying and harassment are generally intended to engender fear/submission. merrily Mar 2015 #296
Amen.. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #299
Very odd, indeed! H2O Man Mar 2015 #172
And you're not the only one nor are your friends. The largest voting bloc in the country now sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #221
K&R n/t Thank you Michigan-Arizona Mar 2015 #52
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #174
"“Party loyalty” has to include sharing the rewards." Wella Mar 2015 #54
Not at all the same. Republicans fear their base eridani Mar 2015 #59
You mean the tea party that has utterly dominated the Republican party? jeff47 Mar 2015 #99
I think that H2O Man Mar 2015 #188
A wonderful, timely and wholly accurate post. Thank you H2O Man! Scuba Mar 2015 #58
Thank you, Scuba! H2O Man Mar 2015 #189
Recommended, bookmarking and the next time I see the usual blaming of the Left Autumn Mar 2015 #61
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #190
GREAT post. K&R. bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #63
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #191
On my feet applauding WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #67
Thanks, Will H2O Man Mar 2015 #193
Magnificent essay, as always. Thank you . myrna minx Mar 2015 #70
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #195
I read this yesterday, and went back and had to read it again this morning. antigop Mar 2015 #75
Thanks. antigop! H2O Man Mar 2015 #196
Party loyalty doesn't make much sense. People should vote for the Democratic candidate in close Chathamization Mar 2015 #78
Right. Exactly right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #205
Loyalty to the oligarchy to win elections. OZ ...uhm ...err ...Money has spoken. L0oniX Mar 2015 #86
Beautiful! H2O Man Mar 2015 #206
Now I just shake my head when I read negative posts here about the Democratic Party`s "left" democrank Mar 2015 #96
THIS ^^^^^^^ haikugal Mar 2015 #148
Yep! H2O Man Mar 2015 #209
I love this. H2O Man Mar 2015 #208
Ms Chisholm haikugal Mar 2015 #216
Thank you so much for this, H20 Man democrank Mar 2015 #97
Again, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #211
A good post and I agree with most of it. Vinca Mar 2015 #104
You are assuming Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, the spin. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #110
And this also assumes that Sanders would run as an independent too... cascadiance Mar 2015 #138
I agree with you. Vinca Mar 2015 #164
I prefer Warren and I probably won't vote for Hillary in the primary, but yes . . . Vinca Mar 2015 #162
That's good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #212
And the ref calls a halt to the contest! KamaAina Mar 2015 #122
Ha! H2O Man Mar 2015 #213
But not a punch thrown tonight KamaAina Mar 2015 #217
I think the most important change needed is the media. Gregorian Mar 2015 #129
I saw this starting back in the 80's when I worked in local television news operations... cascadiance Mar 2015 #144
Greg Palast is doing it on a shoestring. Even with the money, can we build a liberal media? Gregorian Mar 2015 #158
We need to focus on our money on efforts to get money OUT of politics! cascadiance Mar 2015 #159
And I again see the media as playing a role in educating people to even see this. Gregorian Mar 2015 #166
Yes, we need to strategically do public campaign financing right. It isn't well understood yet! cascadiance Mar 2015 #175
All of this comes down to equality. Gregorian Mar 2015 #202
someone once said H2O Man Mar 2015 #214
As great a potential as the internet has, it requires effort. Gregorian Mar 2015 #253
I'm curious why you started with 1964 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #143
Although I'm trying H2O Man Mar 2015 #168
Interesting MFrohike Mar 2015 #219
Interesting as well. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #235
In short MFrohike Mar 2015 #255
In long. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #268
This will be short MFrohike Mar 2015 #269
This will be shorter. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #270
Outstanding! H2O Man Mar 2015 #236
Generally, the Democratic left can be taken for granted because we are compassionate, responsible, Zorra Mar 2015 #149
In agreement Zorra, well put. 2banon Mar 2015 #157
Agreed, and a well said back to you. I have grandkids also. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #165
Well said! H2O Man Mar 2015 #237
Outstanding OP and thank you for the history lesson here for the younger members. 2banon Mar 2015 #152
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #238
Likewise H20 Man... :) 2banon Mar 2015 #272
Kicked! ibewlu606 Mar 2015 #153
Fine post as always. malthaussen Mar 2015 #154
Curious, that.. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #155
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2015 #239
Just so you know... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #163
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #258
It's all about control and I don't take orders very well. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #170
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #259
Thank you. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #173
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #260
Mr. Gambini... Flying Squirrel Mar 2015 #176
"Thanks a Lot" sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #180
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #261
Big K&R MissDeeds Mar 2015 #177
Thank you, MissDeeds! H2O Man Mar 2015 #262
This is a really good post. I read every word mountain grammy Mar 2015 #182
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #263
Thank you! Beautiful. wonderful. love it! marym625 Mar 2015 #184
Thank you very much! H2O Man Mar 2015 #264
You're welcome marym625 Mar 2015 #298
*standing ovation* HappyMe Mar 2015 #186
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #265
Dayum! Jamastiene Mar 2015 #199
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #266
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Excellent piece, H2O Man. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #200
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #267
K & R, will rest all of it later, thanks for this dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #203
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #273
My first loyalty is to anyone I brought into this world and my next is to merrily Mar 2015 #230
Well said. H2O Man Mar 2015 #274
You're most welcome and thank you as well. merrily Mar 2015 #292
Excellent post malaise Mar 2015 #231
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #275
"the left" shows more party loyalty than anyone JonLP24 Mar 2015 #232
Yep. H2O Man Mar 2015 #276
I hate to say this but the Democratic Party is falling into mmonk Mar 2015 #234
Right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #278
Yes, that's it most definitely. mmonk Mar 2015 #286
the differences are there to get everyone to vote for the similarities MisterP Mar 2015 #297
Great essay. K & R----- CanSocDem Mar 2015 #241
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #279
Magisterial essay. Should go viral, imo. The "anybody but Jesse" campaign KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #242
Thank you! And I agree H2O Man Mar 2015 #283
Heh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #277
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2015 #284
K&R nt raouldukelives Mar 2015 #305
You're a DU bright spot, H20Man. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #306
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