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MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
269. This will be short
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:59 PM
Mar 2015

I don't have two walls of text in me this weekend, so I'm going to respond quickly.

1. The comparison of Flowers and Stevenson was to point out the silliness of harping on the ADA. If that rally had any effect on the election at all, I'm not aware of it.

2. The Stevenson rally is mentioned in histories of the election, but I've not seen it referenced when it comes to analyzing the outcome of it.

3. The south didn't break because a stupid freshman GOP congressman had his rabid followers attack LBJ and Lady Bird in the Adolphus Hotel. The entire incident was on TV and was reported widely in the south. LBJ figured it helped them win Texas and several other southern states. That's quite important because, but for that stupidity, the south, the bastion of the Democratic right, was going to break in 1960.

4. I understood you fine on Dewey and I didn't quote you. You pointed out that Dewey's people stayed home. If that's the biggest reason for Truman's win, then why harp on Wallace? I pointed out the states where you could conceivably claim he cost Truman electoral votes and only one of the two is likely to be a strong argument (Maryland, not NY). Given that Truman won without NY's electoral votes, most in the country at that point I think, while fending off a challenge from the right wing of the Democratic party that did win electoral votes, I have to wonder why you bother with Wallace. He didn't matter.

5. Al Smith was hamstrung by right-wing Democratic pastors who told their congregations not to vote for him. Yes, he did carry the south. The south is not the only place with a history of extremely influential churchmen. The south didn't break because it didn't threaten the elites. The midwest and the northeast did.

6. Electoral votes matter for the process. The popular vote matters for legitimacy. If it doesn't matter, then I'd say Democrats shouldn't be bringing up 2000 and the popular vote total.

7. Texas went for Ike because Stevenson agreed with the Supreme Court's decision that the offshore oil and gas belonged to the federal government, not the states where it was located. There were other reasons to be sure, especially with the margins, but that was the issue that broke the Democratic leadership for Ike.

8. Connally's support for Nixon in 72 and beyond is well-documented. The allegation that he supported him in 68 is not conspiratorial nonsense. Connally had been pushing to the right for years, partly because it was his natural bent and partly to get from under Johnson's shadow. Johnson brought him to DC in the late 30s to be part of Richard Kleberg's staff. Johnson is the guy who introduced him to Sid Richardson, who would make him wealthy and introduce him to the radical right. With that kind of history, there was no way in hell Connally would do anything but endorse LBJ's guy publicly in 68. I'd note that LBJ endorsed McGovern in 72, but in a very weak way (he wrote a letter to a local paper). LBJ thus did endorse McGovern, but not in any kind of substantive way that might help him. I note that to show that a public endorsement is no guarantee that a person actually means what they say.

9. Goldwater took 5 southern states because southern Democrats voted for him.

10. Reagan re-broke the south because southern Democrats voted for him. To be fair, a lot of Democrats voted for Reagan. It's kind of hard to take 43 states in one election, then 49 in the next and not have Democrats voting for you.

11. Daddy Bush dominated the south because southern Democrats voted for him.

12. George Wallace indeed did not run as a Democrat in 1968. He sure did siphon a ton of right-wing Democratic votes, though.

13. There's more, but I do want to this quickly, so I'll end with Nader. The issue of Florida is a sore one after all these years, as we can see pretty much daily on DU. The fact that one writer for National Journal assumes that Nader cost Gore Florida is cool and all, but it's dispositive of nothing. The assumption is that if Nader did not run, that all of those votes would have gone to Gore. There's no equivalent assumption regarding the Democrats who voted for Bush. What if McCain had won the nomination, rather than Bush? Would those 200k have voted for him? You might regard that as a silly line of inquiry, but it's no less silly than your source's writing off of those 200k voters and instead only focusing on the 100k who voted for Nader. Let's be honest, votes in a given election are fungible. There's no way to differentiate on a macro level between a vote cast in Miami and one cast in Jacksonville. So why all the focus on one particular group and the resulting judgment without an equivalent examination of the other large defecting group? It makes one wonder whether the analysis was written after the conclusion was reached.*

Sorry if I missed some stuff, but it's late. Thanks.


*People on this board are apt to assume to you support a given person if you don't rant and rave, scream and curse about them. I have no love for Ralph Nader and never really have. Sure, he did some good work way back when, but that doesn't mean I have to be a fan. I personally view 2000 as a confluence of a gullible electorate and a badly run campaign, capped off with a routine overstepping of the court's boundaries. I am amazed, though, at the venom directed at those who voted for Nader when twice as many voted for Bush. I would understand being pissed at both groups of people, I would understand being pissed at the people who voted for the guy with a chance to win, but I don't get solely being pissed at the people who voted for the least inspiring candidate of that election (which is saying a lot). It smacks of hypocrisy.

Party Loyalty [View all] H2O Man Mar 2015 OP
Than you, thank you, thank you. haikugal Mar 2015 #1
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #64
but,but, but, SCOTUS!!!! nt antigop Mar 2015 #2
Right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #73
+1 gazillion marym625 Mar 2015 #185
You are missing the point nakocal Mar 2015 #3
I', not "missing" H2O Man Mar 2015 #10
Plus it is another RW falsehood. The Dem vote for Bush in Florida made Nader votes meaningless. Rex Mar 2015 #14
Also conveniently forgotten is the approx. 80,000 probable Dem voters who were wrongfully purged. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #22
Yeah I had a chart, was just looking at all the voting irregularities in Florida. Rex Mar 2015 #26
Condolences...I feel for you, seriously. haikugal Mar 2015 #30
unrelated aside: i recently learned diebold is a very old company, started as a safe company ND-Dem Mar 2015 #92
I forgot that.. haikugal Mar 2015 #120
And ES&S is no better. Diebold accomplished its 'mission' but had such a bad reputation sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #139
seriously, a visionary? why? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #56
He has a 'plan' to return America to it's former glory. Rex Mar 2015 #69
It's former glory was the 1950s & 60s. the only thing he likes about that period was segregation ND-Dem Mar 2015 #91
Hard to believe now that TX once gave us LBJ, Sam Rayburn and KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #243
yes. i don't get why some folks are so fixated on nader while caring so little about voter ND-Dem Mar 2015 #55
and then there was this, G_j Mar 2015 #88
I hadn't seen that. That is shocking. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #90
YEP. Rex Mar 2015 #145
too challenging intellectually, emotionally, psychologically to face the facts. 2banon Mar 2015 #135
And that would help explain why so many Republicans were elected and so few Democrats this last -none Mar 2015 #210
Some folks have odd priorities. merrily Mar 2015 #285
+10 Saw the video & post about the Chair of the FL Dem. Party & her husband. Awful- Mess. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #167
A difference many will fail to perceive.... daleanime Mar 2015 #19
Another falsehood. Bush got 200,000 votes from conservate dems in Florida. Rex Mar 2015 #12
And it's parroted most faithfully by... conservative Dems. winter is coming Mar 2015 #16
This is a tired and disproved assertion, chervilant Mar 2015 #18
Indeed. Well put. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #121
He is not missing the point. It appears you have completely missed the point. GORE WON! sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #39
If you think that's bad Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #57
Must have been a conservative-Bush voting Dem no doubt. I emember Sandra O'Connors comments 2banon Mar 2015 #137
I'm sure MIRT, assuming it was not a long time poster, took care of that obvious right wing troll? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #181
No, s/he's still here Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #222
You're the one that has "missed the point" as well as misunderstanding the facts. 2banon Mar 2015 #118
Would you support instant runoff voting then? Ralph Nader running then wouldn't have mattered... cascadiance Mar 2015 #124
That's something to think about. You make some excellent points that if Dems really sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #218
A few things. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #183
Untrue and irrelevant. merrily Mar 2015 #227
Amen madfloridian Mar 2015 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #81
You speak the truth and you speak for me. leveymg Mar 2015 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #87
I feel RiverLover Mar 2015 #6
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #89
Thank you! peacebird Mar 2015 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #95
"It’s strange to me, as an activist on the left, to see how we continue to be taken for granted" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #8
Write on! H2O Man Mar 2015 #98
"Truman and LBJ worked to discredit Olds as (what else?) a commie, ...." 2banon Mar 2015 #141
Yes, he was alive. H2O Man Mar 2015 #160
Jesus, I'm sorry the haberdasher from Independence allowed himself to be used KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #245
I think Truman probably needs better context JonLP24 Mar 2015 #233
Thing is, even Democratic Presidents are a mixed bag, including Truman. merrily Mar 2015 #287
Excellent OP. One of the issues I have with the center is that they always demand party loyalty Rex Mar 2015 #9
Very well said! H2O Man Mar 2015 #100
Wish I could rec your post. I'm mad at SCOTUS for not allowing the KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #246
Very well said. 99Forever Mar 2015 #11
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #101
Excellent post. cyberswede Mar 2015 #13
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #103
the DLC made itself into a cash nexus since 1988, likewise its successors MisterP Mar 2015 #15
I agree. H2O Man Mar 2015 #105
heck, the vacuous parties south of the border would at least hand out a little beef MisterP Mar 2015 #127
Right! H2O Man Mar 2015 #128
Southcom in Panama, Ft Benning, Ft Bragg, and some mysterious place in Houston TV's broadcast range MisterP Mar 2015 #156
I'm a bit late to this thread, but I sure as heck wish you and H20 Man woud build KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #248
+10 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #171
I read somewhere that, in 1980, the then head of the DNC wrote Democrats in Congress, merrily Mar 2015 #282
There's no point in winning if we act like republicans when we get in. Policy and politics aren't craigmatic Mar 2015 #17
Yeah, I'm sure Mitt would have... Adrahil Mar 2015 #27
We need to start thinking past just getting the SCOTUS nominees to getting progressive laws passed. craigmatic Mar 2015 #31
Right now, the SCOTUS nomination is the MOST IMPORTANT thing as President can do. Adrahil Mar 2015 #65
Who was the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Scalia and Thomas were confirmed? Fuddnik Mar 2015 #126
Funny--this word-string seems to be composed of English words, but Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #36
Yeah, iPAD-itis. Adrahil Mar 2015 #66
I tend to think of all these little word-completer and spell-check functions Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #82
Yeah, I gotta turn the damn thing off. n/t Adrahil Mar 2015 #85
If you are worried about Scotus, then tell the Party Leadership to provide candidates that represent sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #40
Your post is the essence of what I think is wrong. Adrahil Mar 2015 #68
"I am not interested in noble defeats." LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #71
I think that's utter foolishness. Adrahil Mar 2015 #74
No, those are Third Way talking points. woo me with science Mar 2015 #150
If money is your major concern, then this is true. Otherwise, no. bettyellen Mar 2015 #240
I wish brentspeak would post more. merrily Mar 2015 #280
I was going to reply to you but woo said it 576 times better than I could LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #192
He or she (woo) sure has a way of saying things better than I can as well. merrily Mar 2015 #281
Bingo!!!! Fuddnik Mar 2015 #130
'I'm not interested in noble defeats'. Me neither. So you must be, like most Democrats I know, very sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #93
And I've personally seen our current DNC Chair endorse Repukes over progressives in congressional ra Fuddnik Mar 2015 #134
Amazing, isn't it? How it's okay for elected Dems to endorse Republicans, while BLAMING VOTERS sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #142
Obama did something similar with Chafee, citing a personal relationship. merrily Mar 2015 #288
Absolutely! H2O Man Mar 2015 #106
Yep, a seat at the table. Not much to ask, but as you note, rarely given. suffragette Mar 2015 #20
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #108
It is always a pleasure to read your posts, H20 Man KMOD Mar 2015 #21
I appreciate that! H2O Man Mar 2015 #109
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. -Will Rogers Katashi_itto Mar 2015 #23
A great quote! H2O Man Mar 2015 #111
k&r... spanone Mar 2015 #24
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #112
Just another huge Thank You! G_j Mar 2015 #25
Right! H2O Man Mar 2015 #113
Holy Fuck! I WAS a Zippie and a Yippie again in '72. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #136
Excellent OP n/t Scootaloo Mar 2015 #28
Thank you H2O Man Mar 2015 #114
It's real voters VERSUS secret, electronic, black box vote "counters." blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #29
It always amuses me H2O Man Mar 2015 #115
I stopped reading at --- "Still, Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election." Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #32
True, he won on a technicality. Long after the SCOTUS ruled and Bush was already Rex Mar 2015 #33
Gore DID win. The voters chose Gore! Were you there at the time? sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #42
Please don't insult my intelligence. Gore was NEVER the President!!! Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #44
The truth is the truth and it's hard to contradict it. Gore won that election. And he would have sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #48
Who said Gore became President? No One. Gore Won, but wasn't ALLOWED to take his rightful place. 2banon Mar 2015 #147
Straw man. No one said Gore was President. merrily Mar 2015 #289
It would be best H2O Man Mar 2015 #47
Well, personally I would not comment on something I admit I did not read. I would find it hard to sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #179
AKA: A "bloodless coup d'etat". I agree with you, but it's fascinating that the person KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #249
Too bad. You missed out on an excellent piece Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #72
Thank you for this excellent OP. Bookmarking for the inevitable scolders and fingerwaggers. SaveOurDemocracy Mar 2015 #34
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #116
As a social-political activist ofmany decades, also ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #35
exactly JI7 Mar 2015 #37
I guess I should add ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #38
Are you implying that the rest of us here haven't done the same thing? THAT is the point of this sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #43
The problem I have with the progressive left ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #49
Are you saying that the Democratic Party is NOT 'left'? Since when did the 'left' become a sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #50
I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #60
All the benefit they need to know is they don't have an elk's chance in a supernova without us and TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #94
All I'll say is ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #102
My anger was well earned over a number of years. I didn't start out this way by ANY stretch. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #131
Yeah ... Okay. ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #133
Also the sad canards here that gets played out are well...sad. Rex Mar 2015 #140
They don't even pretend to be Progressives LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #197
I won't "pretend" to be a part of any group (on du) ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #244
I agree, you don't bother to hide your actual LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #254
I wouldn't know what the 3rd Way has ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #256
How sad. You are using, maybe inadvertently, the old Limbaugh, Right Wing noise machine sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #271
What's more sad is when it applies ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #291
Inadvertently using Limbaugh framing? No, intentionally using it LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #301
Yeah. Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #302
Yes, there isn't a Democrat around here who doesn't recognize those old talking points aimed at sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #304
"groups that work to find convincingly workable solutions" LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #300
Yeah. Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #303
Yeah, we don't want to talk about uncomfortable things LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #307
Yeah, Uh huh. That's nice ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #308
You're not alone. Dem Party voter registration is down to only 32% with many now registering sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #223
Well, it's possible I'm misunderstanding you. And I do respect that you are willing to discuss sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #225
LOL! You called him on griping about progressives griping and he got all defensive Rex Mar 2015 #83
Reading is NOT your strong suit, is it ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #107
They demand your vote and for you to shut up afterwards and neverforget Mar 2015 #178
Thanks for confirming what I have noticed lately. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #207
Very well said!!! NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #53
Democrats ARE the "Progressive Left" RiverLover Mar 2015 #62
No ... they are NOT! ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #80
The Third Way Think Tank has enormous influence on the LEADERSHIP of the Dem Party. They sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #187
You know you keep trying to convince yourself (and others) of that ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #201
That poll proves what I stated. The majority of Dems are Liberals. Conservo Dems dropping sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #220
It seems odd he posted a graph that proved he was wrong tkmorris Mar 2015 #224
Wait, what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #252
Can you name a caucus within the Democratic caucus that is A Simple Game Mar 2015 #215
Pay no attention to them, they are a dying breed of Dem. Rex Mar 2015 #84
Yes, pay no attention to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #119
Are you reading your own chart? tkmorris Mar 2015 #226
I am baffled by that chart also. It proves me and the other poster to be correct. The smallest group sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #228
Yes the Chart absolutely supports my claim. See: Post 250. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #251
Yes, I read the chart ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #250
Some will make good the enemy of adequate relative to the GOP choice. uponit7771 Mar 2015 #77
+1, this logic seems like common sense low hanging fruit, the rest seems like rationalization uponit7771 Mar 2015 #76
That's good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #117
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #132
Mahalo 1StrongBlackMan!.. No, "party loyalty" from me whatsoever.. I couldn't care less.. Cha Mar 2015 #229
And it would be the rare, rare Democratic nominee ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #247
Me, neither.. it seems stupid. Maybe somebody on here was talking about the need but I ignore Cha Mar 2015 #257
Thank you for the great post. bearssoapbox Mar 2015 #41
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #125
Thank you for the reading suggestions. bearssoapbox Mar 2015 #309
This is so true: "the true progressive-liberal wing rarely gets any seat at the table" sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #45
The left is taken for granted...and then blamed if things don't work out right cyberswede Mar 2015 #79
I think the real reason why Republicans do not treat their voters, no matter how far out they are, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #194
Especially when it is THEIR ideas that are the most popular with Voters across the political spectru WillTwain Mar 2015 #146
And they've lied about that too. We are constantly told the lie that 'this is a right of center sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #198
Right On Point WillTwain Mar 2015 #204
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #161
Thanks for another great post, H2O Man Hekate Mar 2015 #46
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #169
It's odd that those calling for Party Loyalty vote for Democratic politicians who disloyally Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #51
the ones who applauded Lieberman after lecturing us that third parties were ruining America? MisterP Mar 2015 #123
Yes, doncha just love the inane "Purists" meme? 2banon Mar 2015 #151
It's childish, boring and utterly unpersuasive, so no. merrily Mar 2015 #290
indeed, indeed. 2banon Mar 2015 #293
Meh. They're just trying for a pony. merrily Mar 2015 #294
It's kind of puzzling why they continue to further insult and alienate us. 2banon Mar 2015 #295
Bullying and harassment are generally intended to engender fear/submission. merrily Mar 2015 #296
Amen.. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #299
Very odd, indeed! H2O Man Mar 2015 #172
And you're not the only one nor are your friends. The largest voting bloc in the country now sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #221
K&R n/t Thank you Michigan-Arizona Mar 2015 #52
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #174
"“Party loyalty” has to include sharing the rewards." Wella Mar 2015 #54
Not at all the same. Republicans fear their base eridani Mar 2015 #59
You mean the tea party that has utterly dominated the Republican party? jeff47 Mar 2015 #99
I think that H2O Man Mar 2015 #188
A wonderful, timely and wholly accurate post. Thank you H2O Man! Scuba Mar 2015 #58
Thank you, Scuba! H2O Man Mar 2015 #189
Recommended, bookmarking and the next time I see the usual blaming of the Left Autumn Mar 2015 #61
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #190
GREAT post. K&R. bullwinkle428 Mar 2015 #63
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #191
On my feet applauding WilliamPitt Mar 2015 #67
Thanks, Will H2O Man Mar 2015 #193
Magnificent essay, as always. Thank you . myrna minx Mar 2015 #70
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #195
I read this yesterday, and went back and had to read it again this morning. antigop Mar 2015 #75
Thanks. antigop! H2O Man Mar 2015 #196
Party loyalty doesn't make much sense. People should vote for the Democratic candidate in close Chathamization Mar 2015 #78
Right. Exactly right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #205
Loyalty to the oligarchy to win elections. OZ ...uhm ...err ...Money has spoken. L0oniX Mar 2015 #86
Beautiful! H2O Man Mar 2015 #206
Now I just shake my head when I read negative posts here about the Democratic Party`s "left" democrank Mar 2015 #96
THIS ^^^^^^^ haikugal Mar 2015 #148
Yep! H2O Man Mar 2015 #209
I love this. H2O Man Mar 2015 #208
Ms Chisholm haikugal Mar 2015 #216
Thank you so much for this, H20 Man democrank Mar 2015 #97
Again, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #211
A good post and I agree with most of it. Vinca Mar 2015 #104
You are assuming Hillary will be the Democratic nominee, the spin. /nt RiverLover Mar 2015 #110
And this also assumes that Sanders would run as an independent too... cascadiance Mar 2015 #138
I agree with you. Vinca Mar 2015 #164
I prefer Warren and I probably won't vote for Hillary in the primary, but yes . . . Vinca Mar 2015 #162
That's good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #212
And the ref calls a halt to the contest! KamaAina Mar 2015 #122
Ha! H2O Man Mar 2015 #213
But not a punch thrown tonight KamaAina Mar 2015 #217
I think the most important change needed is the media. Gregorian Mar 2015 #129
I saw this starting back in the 80's when I worked in local television news operations... cascadiance Mar 2015 #144
Greg Palast is doing it on a shoestring. Even with the money, can we build a liberal media? Gregorian Mar 2015 #158
We need to focus on our money on efforts to get money OUT of politics! cascadiance Mar 2015 #159
And I again see the media as playing a role in educating people to even see this. Gregorian Mar 2015 #166
Yes, we need to strategically do public campaign financing right. It isn't well understood yet! cascadiance Mar 2015 #175
All of this comes down to equality. Gregorian Mar 2015 #202
someone once said H2O Man Mar 2015 #214
As great a potential as the internet has, it requires effort. Gregorian Mar 2015 #253
I'm curious why you started with 1964 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #143
Although I'm trying H2O Man Mar 2015 #168
Interesting MFrohike Mar 2015 #219
Interesting as well. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #235
In short MFrohike Mar 2015 #255
In long. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #268
This will be short MFrohike Mar 2015 #269
This will be shorter. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #270
Outstanding! H2O Man Mar 2015 #236
Generally, the Democratic left can be taken for granted because we are compassionate, responsible, Zorra Mar 2015 #149
In agreement Zorra, well put. 2banon Mar 2015 #157
Agreed, and a well said back to you. I have grandkids also. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #165
Well said! H2O Man Mar 2015 #237
Outstanding OP and thank you for the history lesson here for the younger members. 2banon Mar 2015 #152
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #238
Likewise H20 Man... :) 2banon Mar 2015 #272
Kicked! ibewlu606 Mar 2015 #153
Fine post as always. malthaussen Mar 2015 #154
Curious, that.. n/t 2banon Mar 2015 #155
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2015 #239
Just so you know... SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #163
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #258
It's all about control and I don't take orders very well. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #170
Very good. H2O Man Mar 2015 #259
Thank you. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #173
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #260
Mr. Gambini... Flying Squirrel Mar 2015 #176
"Thanks a Lot" sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #180
Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #261
Big K&R MissDeeds Mar 2015 #177
Thank you, MissDeeds! H2O Man Mar 2015 #262
This is a really good post. I read every word mountain grammy Mar 2015 #182
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #263
Thank you! Beautiful. wonderful. love it! marym625 Mar 2015 #184
Thank you very much! H2O Man Mar 2015 #264
You're welcome marym625 Mar 2015 #298
*standing ovation* HappyMe Mar 2015 #186
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #265
Dayum! Jamastiene Mar 2015 #199
Well, thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #266
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Excellent piece, H2O Man. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #200
Thank you! H2O Man Mar 2015 #267
K & R, will rest all of it later, thanks for this dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #203
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #273
My first loyalty is to anyone I brought into this world and my next is to merrily Mar 2015 #230
Well said. H2O Man Mar 2015 #274
You're most welcome and thank you as well. merrily Mar 2015 #292
Excellent post malaise Mar 2015 #231
Thanks! H2O Man Mar 2015 #275
"the left" shows more party loyalty than anyone JonLP24 Mar 2015 #232
Yep. H2O Man Mar 2015 #276
I hate to say this but the Democratic Party is falling into mmonk Mar 2015 #234
Right. H2O Man Mar 2015 #278
Yes, that's it most definitely. mmonk Mar 2015 #286
the differences are there to get everyone to vote for the similarities MisterP Mar 2015 #297
Great essay. K & R----- CanSocDem Mar 2015 #241
Thank you. H2O Man Mar 2015 #279
Magisterial essay. Should go viral, imo. The "anybody but Jesse" campaign KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #242
Thank you! And I agree H2O Man Mar 2015 #283
Heh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #277
Exactly. H2O Man Mar 2015 #284
K&R nt raouldukelives Mar 2015 #305
You're a DU bright spot, H20Man. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #306
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