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Cha

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139. As do Jimmy Carter, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders.. you know "the middle" "Warmongers"..
Sun Sep 28, 2014, 03:25 AM
Sep 2014
Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren, all well respected leaders, have access and know a hellava lot more about this than those on the internet who can't grasp this isn't being run by the bush-cheney neocon crowd.

"I think we need to attack ISIS. I'm really concerned about them."

"Is the bombing of ISIS justified? I say yes. And I hope President Obama has every possible success in getting allies to join with us, some with ground troops effected inside Syria."



FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5566788

Bernie stands with the President on this "Enormously complicated issue".. as he calls it. He disagrees with staying out of ISIS like some around are clamoring on about.



As he stated it's an "International effort" and guess what.. "they have to put money in it too."

Senator Sanders also said Assad Gassed his own people.. whether the conspiracy theorists around here believe it or not..

Hartman and he talked about one republiCon saying.. they'll "blast him if it doesn't work and ask why he didn't do it sooner if it does." Sounds like a familiar whine.

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5527989

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she supports President Obama's decision to authorize airstrikes in Iraq

BOSTON — Warning against a new U.S. war in Iraq, U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Friday stood by President Barack Obama’s decision to authorize targeted airstrikes to help defend Americans in Erbil, Iraq, and provide aid to a religious minority taking refuge in the Sinjar mountains.

It’s a complicated situation right now in Iraq and the president has taken very targeted actions to provide humanitarian relief that the Iraqi government requested, and to protect American citizens,” Warren told reporters. “But like the president I believe that any solution in Iraq is going to be a negotiated solution, not a military solution. We do not want to be pulled into another war in Iraq.”


Senator Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., said she supports president Barack Obama's decision to authorize new airstrikes in Iraq but cautioned against U.S. involvement in a new war in the Middle East.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/sen_elizabeth_warren_warns_abo.html

As do these Middle Eastern Countries..


Depending, of course, LWolf Sep 2014 #1
I'm pretty sure every political poll uses self-identification to determine ideology Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #2
Yes. LWolf Sep 2014 #15
you don't get to decide that any more than anyone else treestar Sep 2014 #16
True. LWolf Sep 2014 #66
Except when the results support your position ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #105
Of course. LWolf Sep 2014 #116
I must admit ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #121
Me, too. nt LWolf Sep 2014 #128
No, self-identified liberals is still a perfectly meaningful category. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #136
I'm not sure what you think it means. LWolf Sep 2014 #137
Then it would be up to people to make arbitrary determinations Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #21
I think you just made my point for me. LWolf Sep 2014 #67
Are you seeing that responders called themselves liberal? merrily Sep 2014 #39
There's a breakdown by 'ideology' DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #58
Thank you. Frodo's Pet helped out as well. merrily Sep 2014 #62
"Truthfully, I lie to pollsters all the time." Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #112
If you say that merrily Sep 2014 #135
Only you know. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #138
Additionally, calling it an "unprovoked ad hom", when you're the one who pointed out that you lie... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #141
"Unprovoked ad hom" means only that you got personal with me merrily Sep 2014 #145
A lie is a lie, no? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #146
Still nothing substantive to say? And still no links? merrily Sep 2014 #147
I understand, I'd give it up too. Your own words betray your ensuing indignant justifications. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #148
Nope. LWolf Sep 2014 #68
Yes, I saw that, too. Frodo's Pet gave a link where I could see the basis merrily Sep 2014 #70
That's the problem with DU Android3.14 Sep 2014 #64
. LWolf Sep 2014 #69
But you're missing the point ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #104
LOLOL 'Conservative Republicans' support it 88% !! leftstreet Sep 2014 #3
"This is what real liberals and... erm... real conservative republicans support" whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #23
Please point out where you saw "conservative Republicans" merrily Sep 2014 #42
On the question detail page, there is a dropdown next to "Show results by:" FrodosPet Sep 2014 #49
THANK YOU! merrily Sep 2014 #50
of course Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #4
How do they support paying for it??? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #5
not this liberal. nt Terra Alta Sep 2014 #6
Are they really liberals? Or LINO's? BillZBubb Sep 2014 #7
They are the liberals who are just slightly to the right of Barry Goldwater liberals. nt Zorra Sep 2014 #11
Love those Barry Goldwater liberals Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #118
Thanks, Cali Cha Sep 2014 #8
Most people can be persuaded of just about anything. cali Sep 2014 #9
Democracy is not a popularity contest? FrodosPet Sep 2014 #48
the decisions aren't made by the public. cali Sep 2014 #78
And the people keep deciding to vote for office holders who go to war with their consent FrodosPet Sep 2014 #82
yes -- the lesson for the war sellers here is 'beheadings sway public opinion' KurtNYC Sep 2014 #81
I am a liberal. woolldog Sep 2014 #10
I do as well MFM008 Sep 2014 #24
Probably the same ones that supported airstrikes in Egypt and Libya, right? Baclava Sep 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #13
Good point. "Liberal WAPO" is close to an oxymoron. merrily Sep 2014 #31
I trust the corporate media who has been selling this war about as much as I trust the Niger forgery J_J_ Sep 2014 #14
yesterday someone here told me that cali Sep 2014 #25
Hey, if it worked for the Iraq invasion...... merrily Sep 2014 #37
Obviously they aren't True liberals YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #17
You saw the word "liberal," in that story, too? Please point it out. merrily Sep 2014 #35
Did you go to the detail page for the questions? FrodosPet Sep 2014 #52
Yes, but I did not initially notice the option to click for further info. merrily Sep 2014 #54
What was it Pogo said? customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #18
I'm proud to be in the minority on this. morningfog Sep 2014 #19
Are you, though? merrily Sep 2014 #30
Hm. I see. Looks like the OP just made they up. Edit. morningfog Sep 2014 #45
I don't know that yet, either. But, I'd like to know, one way or the other. merrily Sep 2014 #46
I think this link gets you there. merrily Sep 2014 #51
Detailed view, show results by Ideology... SidDithers Sep 2014 #56
Got it. morningfog Sep 2014 #72
And the apology for accusing the OP of making it up?...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #75
Don't hold your breath. Nt pkdu Sep 2014 #101
Go get'em, Sid Number23 Sep 2014 #144
Liberals? 99Forever Sep 2014 #20
I'm Liberal, and I don't say so . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #27
Killers, and those who applaud them, come in all poliical persuasions. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #22
Did you see "liberal" in that story? If so, can you point it out to me, please? merrily Sep 2014 #29
Never mind. Frodo's Pet provided the info. merrily Sep 2014 #55
this. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2014 #26
Please point out where the word "liberal" appears in that story. merrily Sep 2014 #28
Good point merrily. I ran the find feature for liberal...nothing. Randomly snappyturtle Sep 2014 #33
It must be there somewhere in the detailed info. A direct link merrily Sep 2014 #34
Maybe a source link would tell us that only liberals were polled....even then...??? nt snappyturtle Sep 2014 #38
Republicans were polled, too. merrily Sep 2014 #40
Yes...I need to go back to bed! nt snappyturtle Sep 2014 #41
LOL, wish I could, too. merrily Sep 2014 #43
For when you wake up again: merrily Sep 2014 #53
That helps a LOT! Thank you and Frodo too. nt snappyturtle Sep 2014 #79
You're welcome. merrily Sep 2014 #94
Why on earth do people think this is meaningful or persuasive? cali Sep 2014 #32
What are the positions someone is required to hold before they ID as liberal? FrodosPet Sep 2014 #59
It really doesn't matter what I think. I'm just pointing out that cali Sep 2014 #77
Good or bad is irrelevent FrodosPet Sep 2014 #84
actually no. the role of elected officials is vote as they see fit- regardless of public opinion cali Sep 2014 #88
I'd like to see you make the same argument if the poll results were reversed. Liberals kept.... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #140
Did I say that public opinion should be ignored? Of course not. this isn't rocket science cali Sep 2014 #142
So, all the crap you said before should now be ignored? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #143
small sample too questionseverything Sep 2014 #106
We still need obtainable military objectives Recursion Sep 2014 #36
Can anyone, really? merrily Sep 2014 #44
Then count me in that minority. hobbit709 Sep 2014 #47
DU rec for pissing off all the right people... SidDithers Sep 2014 #57
pissing off? sorry, not even a little pissed off. cali Sep 2014 #61
so that's the purpose of posting here? G_j Sep 2014 #63
He makes no secret about it. morningfog Sep 2014 #71
Know who's not happy about the air-strikes, Sid? The "moderate rebels" that bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #74
These poll results break my heart. DeadLetterOffice Sep 2014 #60
Any self-identified liberal who does not agree with me is not a 'real' liberal. And any poll with pampango Sep 2014 #65
+1 FrodosPet Sep 2014 #91
A big portion would poll in favor of human sacrifices if the president supported them Doctor_J Sep 2014 #73
Eye opening. That's putting it mildly. raouldukelives Sep 2014 #76
No. Last year polls showed Democratic oppositon to bombing Assad's military. pampango Sep 2014 #83
And of course there is no response to your post because it totally defeats their meme. stevenleser Sep 2014 #133
I take it you are a younger person? FrodosPet Sep 2014 #87
I thought that personality cultism was more a right wing thing, but QC Sep 2014 #92
BULL kpete Sep 2014 #80
kpete is a liberal. He is against bombing the Daesh. FrodosPet Sep 2014 #89
i am a kpete Sep 2014 #130
Nice try, spectacular fail. Conservatives and republicans are not Liberal. Autumn Sep 2014 #85
So the polling is wrong? FrodosPet Sep 2014 #90
The devil is in the details of the poll. Autumn Sep 2014 #93
There are so many competing definitions of "liberal" YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #86
Not this Liberal, the President is so wrong about this. dilby Sep 2014 #95
Tow and Do. Toe is an appendage on your foot, and due is something expected at a certain time FrodosPet Sep 2014 #97
You should look it up. It's an expression of conformity. dilby Sep 2014 #99
I stand humbly corrected FrodosPet Sep 2014 #100
It's political tribalism Puzzledtraveller Sep 2014 #120
I agree, I think it's funny how people laugh at sports fans but then act like sports fans dilby Sep 2014 #131
Directly related to this poll Kermitt Gribble Sep 2014 #96
and we should care why? Vattel Sep 2014 #98
Yes a liberal dose of killing ought to sort things out! peace13 Sep 2014 #102
I am liberal, I think all able bodied people should work, I think everyone has a Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #103
Not surprised BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #108
What are you talking about? Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #109
Your completely off threat assessment BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #110
Must be talking about some one else Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #111
Nope, I was talking about you BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #114
Go back and read it again, I said they wanted to fly their flag over the WH. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #115
Nice backpeddle BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #124
So? BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #107
Of course adherents to a certain brand of liberalism have adopted a libertarian flair along the way. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #113
Nicely said Number23 Sep 2014 #117
It's not like Obama wanted to Tally-ho off into a war flamingdem Sep 2014 #119
You mean the Rand Paul whose opinion fluctuates with every change of underwear? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #123
Rand wants to destroy Isis! flamingdem Sep 2014 #125
EarlG has Rand and his crusaders figured out. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #126
That's excellent flamingdem Sep 2014 #127
Does a majority of Israelis also support bombing Gaza? JEB Sep 2014 #122
Majority of *centrists* support US airstrikes in Iraq and Syria - TBF Sep 2014 #129
They didn't ask me! Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2014 #132
Next Up in the Warmonger Bag of Tricks: Ad Populum! TheSarcastinator Sep 2014 #134
As do Jimmy Carter, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders.. you know "the middle" "Warmongers".. Cha Sep 2014 #139
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