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H2O Man

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41. Some of the personal dynamics
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jul 2014

from that campaign changed the party. McCarthy was a longtime supporter of Stevenson; he had advocated for him at the 1960 Democratic Convention (something Robert neither forgot nor forgave). Schlesinger was a Stevenson supporter, too. It was interesting that he switched to JFK in '59. For several years, he didn't care much for Robert, who was rigid and self-righteous as a young man. But Schlesinger recognized that Robert, like Jack, was very capable.

After Dallas, Schlesinger stuck with Robert. He still had a great deal of respect for Gene, but felt McCarthy was perhaps better suited to be a university professor than a Senator. (He was good at both.)

Gene had some petty jealousies regarding JFK; he really believed he, rather than Kennedy, was the most authentic Irish Catholic leader in America. Yet, he was far more above board, when communicating (indirectly) with RFK about the need for someone to challenge LBJ as '68 approached. If Robert would run, he'd stand down. And he believed that Robert had signaled that if Gene ran, he wouldn't.

Between Tet and New Hampshire, Robert became convinced of two things: the nation could not survive another term of LBJ, and that McCarthy could never win the presidency. (In fact, the truculent Senator acted uninterested in his own campaign, and made it clear that he believed he was doing his supporters a huge favor by running. He was given to rather severe mood swings.)

When Teddy sent messages suggesting Robert would likely enter the contest, McCarthy was decent enough to try to set up a coordinated front. But he appeared to view Robert as, at best, his VP. He also made some crude comments about how the contest would be like RFK opposing JFK (Gene as Jack). That rift never healed before June; their supporters would not unite between June and the Convention. It was a split that went on to damage HHH in the general election, and McGovern in '72, for that matter.

Breath of Dissent [View all] H2O Man Jul 2014 OP
A personal aside, edgineered Jul 2014 #1
The last three days, H2O Man Jul 2014 #4
So we had been neighbors with similar interests at one time. edgineered Jul 2014 #7
sure. H2O Man Jul 2014 #9
Damn! Let your son know edgineered Jul 2014 #13
I remember that at H2O Man Jul 2014 #82
Very cool. panader0 Jul 2014 #19
Thanks. H2O Man Jul 2014 #83
One of my favotite Denzel Washington films, The Hurricane DocwillCuNow Jul 2014 #2
Denzel also played H2O Man Jul 2014 #5
But as they say, if it's on the internets.... IMDB no less, they should know better. n/t DocwillCuNow Jul 2014 #49
There is a lot H2O Man Jul 2014 #50
It's a great quote. Thank you for introducing it to me. cali Jul 2014 #3
It was, of course, H2O Man Jul 2014 #6
HBO will be making a flim of 'All The Way' a play about LBJ's first year in office Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #8
Outstanding! H2O Man Jul 2014 #10
You will love it. The play is excellent. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #14
Later today, H2O Man Jul 2014 #15
Dissent, merely for the sake of dissent is where some go wrong. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #11
and those purportedly on the left who brook no criticism of the President cali Jul 2014 #17
I don't agree with the President 100% of the time. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #22
Yes... lunatica Jul 2014 #23
You won't bring the president into it at all? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #51
Right. H2O Man Jul 2014 #60
One out of every ten H2O Man Jul 2014 #26
k&r... spanone Jul 2014 #12
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2014 #27
Opinion and protest are the life breath of democracy -- even when it blows heavy malaise Jul 2014 #16
Right. H2O Man Jul 2014 #28
+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2014 #58
+1,000 malaise Jul 2014 #68
The hardest place these days to register dissent about important issues, is right here on DU. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #62
Not sure this is the hardest place malaise Jul 2014 #69
True, a little hyperbole on my part. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #77
You measure a democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, ... L0oniX Jul 2014 #18
Abbie was a good man. H2O Man Jul 2014 #29
*** L0oniX Jul 2014 #35
sure do! H2O Man Jul 2014 #37
Awesume! L0oniX Jul 2014 #38
In my opinion, H2O Man Jul 2014 #42
Great quote! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #85
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Jul 2014 #30
I should have added ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #32
People offer plenty of alternatives to policies thst favor the rich and powerful Armstead Jul 2014 #43
Alternatives ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #46
That's too sweeping a statement Armstead Jul 2014 #48
I completely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #57
well no one can answer all of that on a single post on a message board. Armstead Jul 2014 #65
Mostly what I see is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #66
These problems have been getting worse for 40 years Armstead Jul 2014 #81
"And always try, when you do disagree, A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #21
He was a strange man. H2O Man Jul 2014 #31
Yep. Wasn't it McCarthy who stepped up and drove him out? A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #34
Gene McCarthy was first. H2O Man Jul 2014 #39
McCarthy entered Nov 30, 1967. A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #40
Some of the personal dynamics H2O Man Jul 2014 #41
One thing a study of our heroes will surely reveal: A-Schwarzenegger Jul 2014 #47
Right. H2O Man Jul 2014 #59
Thanks again for another food for thought post. lunatica Jul 2014 #24
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2014 #33
I've always thought Viet Nam War was a trade-off. rickyhall Jul 2014 #25
Right. H2O Man Jul 2014 #36
I wonder how history would be different without Vietnam Armstead Jul 2014 #44
Without Vietnam, H2O Man Jul 2014 #45
A tragedy, I agree. Top 10 president without Vietnam. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #52
And alas, it affected the whole country Armstead Jul 2014 #53
Exactly right. H2O Man Jul 2014 #56
too bad it doesn't start with "two" hfojvt Jul 2014 #54
It's specific H2O Man Jul 2014 #55
I like this thread. H2O Man Jul 2014 #61
I will always wonder if Vietnam was the price of the Great Society hootinholler Jul 2014 #63
Definitely. H2O Man Jul 2014 #74
Damn! jen63 Jul 2014 #64
Thank you! H2O Man Jul 2014 #73
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #67
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2014 #72
That means a lot to me coming from you, H2O Man as I've always Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #75
Oh, thanks! H2O Man Jul 2014 #76
You knew Rubin ”Hurricane” Carter? Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #70
Yes. H2O Man Jul 2014 #71
Fascinating and I can imagine how much you miss him. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #78
Thank you, my Wonderful Friend. H2O Man Jul 2014 #79
'He recognized every single flowering plant as a true miracle of the power of the Earth's sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #80
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #84
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