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I refuse to vote for any of them this November jberryhill Aug 2013 #1
It azmesa207 Aug 2013 #166
Actually ... Koios Aug 2013 #179
An equivocation worthy of the Jesuits or the witches in MacBeth. Everyone at the time of the vote HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #197
Good one! QuestForSense Aug 2013 #255
*I* have blinders on? jberryhill Aug 2013 #200
Just gonna say that... PCIntern Aug 2013 #206
Pol Pot didn't kill as many people as Stalin. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #281
Pretty hard to find any Dem president who hasn't launched a war. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #177
Even harder to find one running for president this November jberryhill Aug 2013 #198
Grover Cleveland Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #238
So is that "it's ok because they all do it" argument? Supporting Bush's Iraq war is rhett o rick Aug 2013 #274
Did you vote for Kerry? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #2
Not in the primary MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #13
Then you voted for someone who voted for the war. You don't like Hillary fine but don't pretend you hrmjustin Aug 2013 #16
I had a choice between Kerry and Bush. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #19
What you did. I understand you did not like the war. I lost a cousin in the war but we have other hrmjustin Aug 2013 #22
On the other hand, you did like the war? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #32
No I marched against the war before it started. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #94
I marched too. But I actually meant it. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #228
As did I thank you very much! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #229
But you will support Ms Clinton that we hoped would save us from the idiots. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #252
I will never vote for anyone that kissed George Bush's feet. AlbertCat Aug 2013 #258
Think what you feel is right. I am voting for her. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #264
And the middle class will die. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #271
I doubt that. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #273
The DLC sides with the 1%. Who do you side with? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #288
Yeah, millions of dead, wounded, and displaced, destabilizing the world's most volatile Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #37
That war is over and Hillary can be a great president. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #95
The war is over? Including paying for it? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #103
No not paying for it. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #107
The war is over? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #106
Alerted. cliffordu Aug 2013 #143
see something, say something.. frylock Aug 2013 #144
That's kool. Right alert, wrong Jury. cliffordu Aug 2013 #148
wrong alert, right jury frylock Aug 2013 #149
Well. My bad. cliffordu Aug 2013 #151
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #172
+10 RC Aug 2013 #195
The war is not over. zeemike Aug 2013 #139
This is so true & Scary Rockyj Aug 2013 #189
Hillary can be a great president. tiredtoo Aug 2013 #159
I like her. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #180
Great comeback! RC Aug 2013 #196
The War is Over??!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #163
I wish they would as well. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #176
The the real WAR is not really over, bvar22 Aug 2013 #188
Well we will always have this war on terror for a another decade or two. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #190
And the MIC was HOPING to hear you say that. bvar22 Aug 2013 #243
A whole bunch of special forces ceonupe Aug 2013 #210
So easy to forgive? There are others that dont carry the responsibility of the death rhett o rick Aug 2013 #290
I have always liked her. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #293
Dont forget empowering Iran to be the power they are today 7962 Aug 2013 #133
You're right, and then some. To make a complete list would take far more time than I'm Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #138
We never needed or wanted Iraqi oil. What we wanted was (to paraphrase Norman Mailer) a HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #199
On that last point i would disagree. But the 1st is intriguing. 7962 Aug 2013 #224
I don't LittleBlue Aug 2013 #43
I voted for Kerry and he voted for the war. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #96
yes, we have other issues. such as de-funding the MIC, *not* attacking Iran or Syria or magical thyme Aug 2013 #62
That is your right. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #97
Good for you! You tell 'em! And may I ask how the hell Auntie Bush Aug 2013 #223
We aren't even in an election BainsBane Aug 2013 #280
Thread should have ended right here. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #51
That's Not How It Works... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #57
Can you imagine ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #58
Or... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #60
Agree ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #63
Lesterland. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #85
...but he has a "Warren 2016" logo on his Sig line... brooklynite Aug 2013 #75
Demand?? KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #77
You guys should stop being so mean to Manny Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #153
She did write a NY Times best seller on how the middle class is screwed MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #162
A couple of points- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #78
I respect your view. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author pipoman Aug 2013 #83
Kerry voted for IWR and sided with weapon inspectors that military force was not needed blm Aug 2013 #129
If you don't want to support her that is your choice. I am supporting her. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #130
Didn't say I wasn't voting for her. I just added details to your assertion. blm Aug 2013 #131
Fair point. I thought she came out against the war in the end. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #132
And you turn your back on the tens of thousands of children that were murdered. Ms. Clinton rhett o rick Aug 2013 #249
Yeah Ok because I support Hillary I turn my back on Tens of Thousands of Kids. Sure! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #260
General Election. NOT the primary. eom progressoid Aug 2013 #112
Yes I realize that now. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #113
Do you accept the deaths of the Iraqis? Are you willing to forgive those responsible? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #250
The Iraq war was a tragedy. I know because I lost my cousin in it. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #262
Were you on this site when that vote was taken? Samantha Aug 2013 #3
I was not. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #12
A lot of protests, a lot of activism and in the end Generic Other Aug 2013 #42
Mislead by smoke and mirrors--- especially by that serial liar Colin Powell warrant46 Aug 2013 #64
Yes...and signing the Move On.org petition to the UN...delivered to them.. KoKo Aug 2013 #81
Like fighting in a hundred year war Generic Other Aug 2013 #147
To label it controversial is putting it mildly Samantha Aug 2013 #92
Exactly. Dems who voted with Bush for the Iraq war weren't voting that way Nay Aug 2013 #122
A well deserved albatross around the neck for them all. Brewinblue Aug 2013 #128
I'm no Obamabot or apologist, but I would remind you that Obama spoke out publicly HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #208
Best short explication I've read here about Dems and Iraq. Seems folks have forgotten HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #205
You said it very well. The Dems that voted to authorize Bush betrayed us. The deaths of tens of rhett o rick Aug 2013 #275
Exactly Samantha Aug 2013 #277
What you say all and this: KoKo Aug 2013 #187
You and I often are on the very same page Samantha Aug 2013 #279
While many of these links are dead, they illustrate the level of concern!!! Generic Other Aug 2013 #150
Wow..Thanks for all those links from "Way Back!" KoKo Aug 2013 #193
First - Why on Earth should we nominate a candidate who voted for war with Iraq? limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #4
Good point. OP updated. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #5
If you want to go to war with Iran, you have to do some preparation work - that's why. leveymg Aug 2013 #56
Is Our Democratic Party declaring "Bankruptcy" We Only have the Clintons? KoKo Aug 2013 #237
Don't plan on it. joshcryer Aug 2013 #6
She was misled! ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #7
lol ctsnowman Aug 2013 #116
And it's not as if their was any reason to doubt the DULY ELECTED POTUS JAbuchan08 Aug 2013 #185
I hope not to. immoderate Aug 2013 #8
K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #9
When you get right down to it... ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #10
Why would we trust any Republican or Third-Way Democrat, Enthusiast Aug 2013 #33
No, I meant exactly what I said. ohheckyeah Aug 2013 #34
Good point.........nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #41
That was the reason I never supported any of them. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #11
didn't you support Hillary Clinton in the 2008 Primary ? JI7 Aug 2013 #14
NO! MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #15
didn't you support her over Obama ? JI7 Aug 2013 #17
NO! MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #18
We shouldn't PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #20
Iraq is so yesterday leftstreet Aug 2013 #21
Thankfully, it paid for itself. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #101
Why one earth must we talk incessantly about a Presidential election BainsBane Aug 2013 #23
I think it's because those who will run in the primaries are going to have to get started Nay Aug 2013 #67
Because (1) the ones who voted for the Iraq war will be able to peel off more Republican votes with AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #24
Good point! A vote for Hillary is a vote for the stutus quo! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #35
Or maybe "stultus quo"... truebluegreen Aug 2013 #86
People make mistakes, apologize and are forgiven. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #25
This is what an Iraq war mea culpa looks like.. Fumesucker Aug 2013 #53
What apology? Yes, people can change but there is no reason to just pretend they did and move on. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #54
Where I come from, we call Hillary's attitude 'arrogance' and we don't like it - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #214
Everyone reading this website alone in 2002 and 3 knew the Iraq War was unjustified burnodo Aug 2013 #59
Manny I'm with you summer-hazz Aug 2013 #26
Just click on the link at the bottom of my sig... MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #161
''Why would we trust one of these people with our future?'' DeSwiss Aug 2013 #27
You win! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #39
I wish I could recommend YOUR post. robertpaulsen Aug 2013 #115
Merci.... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #213
Jacque Fresco for President. I don't care if he's 97. robertpaulsen Aug 2013 #295
It's happening now. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #297
Keep in mind many who voted for the authorization didn't think Bush would USE IT.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #28
Its people like this Dwayne Hicks Aug 2013 #29
So you are encouraging people not to vote Democratic? intaglio Aug 2013 #30
It's pretty obvious Manny is talking about the primaries nxylas Aug 2013 #40
Come on, Manny. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #31
We shouldn't, but some people think it's her turn now. JVS Aug 2013 #36
Agreed. I won't be voting for her LittleBlue Aug 2013 #38
Many were fooled by Bush's lies bluedeathray Aug 2013 #44
But there was NO WAY they could have been fooled, unless they were unbelievably stupid. Nay Aug 2013 #125
Or working their own agenda. bluedeathray Aug 2013 #140
I don't like that vote, either, Manny. In fact, it's a big check in the negative column. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #45
So what it was 10 yrs ago? None of them, to my knowledge, has come out and repented in any real Nay Aug 2013 #127
She's not my top pick. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #203
What needs to be gone over...is what has changed since that vote? KoKo Aug 2013 #212
Some did more than just vote for the war. Motown_Johnny Aug 2013 #46
There was NOTHING she said that was correct. Nothing! RC Aug 2013 #241
We shouldn't. i.e. We should NOT. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #47
Fair question. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #48
Just say no to Hillary. ProSense Aug 2013 #49
Impotent rage is all the rage. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #55
Since the DSCC is campaigning for her... MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #66
Have at it. I'm still not convinced Hillary is going to run. ProSense Aug 2013 #71
DSCC is not campaigning for her... brooklynite Aug 2013 #80
Want to win? Run Elizabeth. Want to lose? Run Hillary and we lose even if she wins. Scuba Aug 2013 #50
Hillary will move the Dem party even more to the right. L0oniX Aug 2013 #104
Exactly. Scuba Aug 2013 #105
Have to agree and know it's not popular to say that here. n/t KoKo Aug 2013 #216
Want to win this election and appoint more liberal SC judges and protect womens rights? Auntie Bush Aug 2013 #178
You're right, she'll never get votes from the ReThugs and traditional independents... Scuba Aug 2013 #184
I'm for protecting the RIGHTS of ALL OF US...not Fragmentation of One Group KoKo Aug 2013 #217
. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #276
Thank you, Manny! K&R Carolina Aug 2013 #52
Good Question fredamae Aug 2013 #61
Now Manny, don't stress. Autumn Aug 2013 #65
So nominate someone who didn't... SidDithers Aug 2013 #68
Nominating candidates is virtually impossible for anyone who is not filthy rich, and Zorra Aug 2013 #74
Right...and Warren ran a penniless, shoestring campaign for Senator brooklynite Aug 2013 #76
Running for Senator in the GE in a liberal state, and trying to get nominated for POTUS, Zorra Aug 2013 #87
That would be me... brooklynite Aug 2013 #93
Electing a candidate many won't vote for is a good trick no matter how bad the Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #89
Because in November 2016 it will be either her or Jeb or christie Doctor_J Aug 2013 #69
I'm more worried about Iran than Iraq at this point, though Clinton's horrid and cynical judgment geek tragedy Aug 2013 #70
They just want the (D) Win Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #72
Good, another anti-Hillary thread... brooklynite Aug 2013 #73
Political Parties always go though a process of selecting candidates, to oppose a Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #91
Nah ...there's plenty of dinos who want to see the Dem party keep moving to the right. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #100
Yeah, doesn't it make you feel all warm and tingly on the inside? Beacool Aug 2013 #110
i won`t vote for hillary in the primary madrchsod Aug 2013 #79
How I wish Howard Dean had a chance mainer Aug 2013 #82
He DID have a chance... brooklynite Aug 2013 #135
And the corporate media found a way to overmodulate his mike to make him "crazy"... cascadiance Aug 2013 #146
Sorry...he had lost Iowa and was losing New Hampshire before that happened. brooklynite Aug 2013 #169
As this CBS article notes, the coverage of his speech didn't do him any favors... cascadiance Aug 2013 #183
Why didn't people vote for him? Because he told the truth. mainer Aug 2013 #231
WE won't nominate anyone. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #84
"Viola"? don't you mean Videla? (well, Isabel Perón) nt MisterP Aug 2013 #114
Right...just like in 2008 brooklynite Aug 2013 #134
2008 was an exception. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #171
Corrupt, conned, craven? Whichever, it disqualifies you for president IMHO on point Aug 2013 #88
All she needs is some cowboy boots and a smirk. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #90
Why vote for any Dem that wil move the party center right ...right ...and more right? L0oniX Aug 2013 #99
Very true. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #102
+1 heaven05 Aug 2013 #108
Yawn.......another typical day at DU. Beacool Aug 2013 #109
Speaking up to preempt the "Hillary is inevitable" meme is NOT the same thing as "hating" her cascadiance Aug 2013 #136
Hillary is the favorite for 2016 because that's what polls show. The media reporting that fact does Metric System Aug 2013 #170
They also were projecting Hillary as a favorite for 2008 early on... cascadiance Aug 2013 #175
the truth is, georgee used political blackmail TO GET THAT VOTE. pansypoo53219 Aug 2013 #111
I'll only vote for a nonmilitant. We don't need an NSA, we just need to stop the drone strikes. Gregorian Aug 2013 #117
B I G K&R!!! avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #118
Exactly! ctsnowman Aug 2013 #119
Because we want to win? Bake Aug 2013 #120
With current state of the Republican Party I think that any credible Democratic candidate would win. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #123
With the current state of the Republican Party, are you willing to take the chance? brooklynite Aug 2013 #137
What you said. Bake Aug 2013 #141
Hillary had those same "advantages" over Obama in 2008. Warren in my book has academic advantage cascadiance Aug 2013 #145
Can You Put That On A Bumper Sticker... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #157
Her introducing legislation that reflects her knowledge and experience can be "bumper stickered" cascadiance Aug 2013 #165
The Endless Campaign Season... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #168
This far out we can't even be sure we know who has the best chance. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #182
She didn't vote for Bush to go to war with Iraq. pnwmom Aug 2013 #121
Yes, she did. Martin Eden Aug 2013 #124
I will never forgive Daschle or Gebhardt or any of the other realpolitikers who voted for this HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #220
That cowardly Carolina Aug 2013 #246
Yet another pro-Hillary thread. Oh, wait...eom Metric System Aug 2013 #126
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!! cliffordu Aug 2013 #142
well Cliffordu hundreds of politicians, thousands of staffers and large masses of ernest but grantcart Aug 2013 #155
Yeppers. Yep. cliffordu Aug 2013 #160
Ah Yep Peacetrain Aug 2013 #156
Yep. I'm all warm and runny inside cliffordu Aug 2013 #207
Do you mean the Freepers? Beacool Aug 2013 #244
Answer: Because we would like a Democratic President Billy Pilgrim Aug 2013 #152
I am opposed to the US participating in any optional war and I've said so since Vietnam...but... Sancho Aug 2013 #154
And if comes down to Hillary or Christie, will you sit it out and let him get elected by default DainBramaged Aug 2013 #158
Nader did not lose the election for Gore in 2000 MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #164
True, but there are those with an agenda who think that the truth is greatly overrated. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #173
Yes he did, if you claim otherwise you're simply a Nader enabler DainBramaged Aug 2013 #209
Bush got 13% of Florida's registered Democratic votes MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #225
That's one less vote for Hillary, and plus one for the Republican candidate. Billy Pilgrim Aug 2013 #239
Give it up, Manny burnodo Aug 2013 #240
We shouldn't. NT quakerboy Aug 2013 #167
you won't like whoever it is arely staircase Aug 2013 #174
Hear hear DainBramaged Aug 2013 #211
Indeed! The Shtick Was Transparent Ages Ago Skraxx Aug 2013 #219
The vote was not for the war. Bush started the war ... Koios Aug 2013 #181
Manny, I think you asked honestly. You want an answer that makes sense. DevonRex Aug 2013 #186
He Didn't Ask Honestly Skraxx Aug 2013 #218
Yeah. DevonRex Aug 2013 #227
There is one more factor, which state did she represent? New York. Beacool Aug 2013 #245
Yes. New Senator from New York. With constituents DevonRex Aug 2013 #251
Most elected Democrats were able to vote against war MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #248
No others were married to former presidents who supported the WMD DevonRex Aug 2013 #261
So she should still maintain that she voted correctly? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #267
If she wishes to she can. DevonRex Aug 2013 #272
because we are an Empire Enrique Aug 2013 #191
Hopefully having the balls to be willing to slaughter several hundred thousand people without indepat Aug 2013 #192
And who voted with W more than a lot of Republicans. Great question, Manny! marble falls Aug 2013 #194
Why on earth should we nominate a presidential candidate who would break many of his promises.... YoungDemCA Aug 2013 #201
Manny, your OPs tend to be very contentious but I must say you have a way of HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #202
The Iraq war will be old news by 2016 Renew Deal Aug 2013 #204
Not That Your Posts Have Any Effect Whatsoever on the Real World Skraxx Aug 2013 #215
I just want Democrats who embrace traditional Democratic values MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #234
"traditional Democratic values" as defined by Manny Skraxx Aug 2013 #289
I think most of us can agree that cutting Social Security is not a traditional Democratic value MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #294
I want Elizabeth Warren to run. n/t Pryderi Aug 2013 #221
What does it mean if he/she voted for the Iraq War? kentuck Aug 2013 #222
It means they made a HUGE mistake. We don't need more. Like war sith Syria, Iran, Korea, Texas grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #226
It means he/she was wrong on a fundamental issue mainer Aug 2013 #233
thank you Sir. Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #230
Because it's evident her work as SOS shined a new light for her to see the folly of that vote. n/t dsharp88 Aug 2013 #232
Because almost everybody did. shenmue Aug 2013 #235
Most elected Democrats voted against war. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #236
I totally agree yellowwoodII Aug 2013 #242
Welcome to DU Carolina Aug 2013 #254
tigerram Tigerram Aug 2013 #247
Dunno, elleng Aug 2013 #253
Many didn't fail... Carolina Aug 2013 #256
Right, Carolina. Thanks. elleng Aug 2013 #257
yes! Carolina Aug 2013 #259
Maybe we knew eachother!!! elleng Aug 2013 #263
so sorry, elleng Carolina Aug 2013 #291
I am not voting for Hillary in Primary or the Main Elections School Teacher Aug 2013 #265
Did you vote for Kerry? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #266
Welcome to DU Carolina Aug 2013 #292
And you will not be alone my friend. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #296
I voted for Kerry but Never Again! School Teacher Aug 2013 #268
Ok fair enough! hrmjustin Aug 2013 #269
This message was self-deleted by its author cynatnite Aug 2013 #270
Look Manny I am sorry to you and anyone else in this Op and Thread that I may have been unfriendly hrmjustin Aug 2013 #278
because she is the best woman Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #282
Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren are just two of the possible options for me...just sayin'. May be silvershadow Aug 2013 #283
I love Sanders but he is not a democrat, can we nominate a non-democrat? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #284
Not sure how that would/could work...maybe he would consider registering? Anyhow, that would silvershadow Aug 2013 #285
I am a Hillary fan but I love them as well and would vote for them if they were the nominee. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #286
If she's announces she's running, it will be her. Period. The others would have to wait. Not sure silvershadow Aug 2013 #287
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