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randome

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148. Sometimes I think all of us 'let' Iraq happen by not stopping it.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:58 PM
Jul 2013

And that we are all to blame. But I don't see any legal framework for what you mention. Mostly because there were 20 or so other countries who cooperated for the shafting of Iraq.

There will be no retribution for what we did under Bush Jr.'s reign. More's the pity.
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K&R think Jul 2013 #1
He was found guilty today. He will serve the remainder of his life in prison for it. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #2
Anyone who is pleased about that is piece of shit fascist scumbag. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #5
I dont think many are *pleased* with it. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #11
He didn't have to break the law to get the info out? freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #66
If I recall correctly he could have just reported it to a member of congress cstanleytech Jul 2013 #80
I guess it depends on what you mean by "get the info out." freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #82
Problem is we will never know now how congress or the IG would have cstanleytech Jul 2013 #84
Seriously? dflprincess Jul 2013 #128
Or he might have been promoted or he might have resigned cstanleytech Jul 2013 #133
"Report it to a member of Congress". Pardon me... truth2power Jul 2013 #96
Yeah. Go Tell the BOSS that you found him doing something sneaky. bvar22 Jul 2013 #106
True getting congress to act would be difficult but there is the other option of cstanleytech Jul 2013 #123
LOL. Marr Jul 2013 #119
How do you feel about other *laws* when they are broken? MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #159
Depends on the law. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #170
guess so! MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #171
Well dont get me wrong. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #172
Well said. nt NealK Jul 2013 #21
Zorra, stop that. He didn't say he was pleased. He simply stated the fact. Enough. DevonRex Jul 2013 #28
I will continue to speak out against fascists and fascism whenever, and wherever. Zorra Jul 2013 #86
Do you have any opinion on the information thant Manning released? Vanje Jul 2013 #112
"He's also a person" Vanje Jul 2013 #113
Prove a DU member is a human being? You really said that. DevonRex Jul 2013 #124
Save the concilliatory bullshit, please. Marr Jul 2013 #122
It could have been worse. It isn't right. But we can right it. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #30
+1,000 n/t malaise Jul 2013 #47
You mean there is still a difference between the 1½ flavors of Congress critters? RC Jul 2013 #99
I'm pleased as punch... Pelican Jul 2013 #54
Project much? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #72
You really missed the point didn't you? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #75
I hope you're embarrassed about your post. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #90
Highly disturbing. This IS Democratic Underground. So you know, in case you've forgotten. Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #97
Right... Pelican Jul 2013 #125
What do you think about the crimes, and cover ups Vanje Jul 2013 #136
Diplomats were conversing privately to cover up child rape in Afghanistan NuclearDem Jul 2013 #150
What do you think about the crimes he exposed? Vanje Jul 2013 #111
Ok, you can go crawl back into the "Cave", or the other "underground" you crawled out of... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2013 #116
WTF are you talking about? Pelican Jul 2013 #129
but no opinion about the crimes and cover-ups he exposed? Vanje Jul 2013 #146
oh no JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #167
Agreed! avebury Jul 2013 #69
+1000 Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #89
Is that okay with you? Th1onein Jul 2013 #8
Justice or persecution? Manning has already been in jail 3 years. think Jul 2013 #23
Thanks. You raise a central issue: how do we measure justice? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #31
+1000 blackspade Jul 2013 #121
"Major Hogwash" is a character you're playing, right? Like "Miss Information"? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #50
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #57
+ an unbelievable amount of "yep, uh-huh's and right-on's" MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #161
Are you happy about this injustice and the fact the war criminals will live out their lives in sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #58
You seem to have missed the big picture. This isn't about Manning. It's about our government. Gregorian Jul 2013 #68
That has yet to be determined. Bradical79 Jul 2013 #78
You a big fan of kangaroo courts? Hissyspit Jul 2013 #93
No, it isn't. Never too late to do the right thing. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #109
then it's a tragic day for the military justice system blackspade Jul 2013 #118
I won't be as polite as other commenters to your post... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #160
Well, sure sounds like it's those "scoripons" for the 1 percent... nt AnotherDreamWeaver Jul 2013 #3
We have an up hill battle. Even some so-called Democrats here side with the authoritarian state. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #4
You must remember they've turned and they aren't really Democrats kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #7
lol's... KoKo Jul 2013 #56
I think they are just afraid. They were raised in comfortable security and they are rhett o rick Jul 2013 #59
I think a good many are Republican runaways, re-registering as Dems to escape the insane GOP DJ13 Jul 2013 #62
Pretty accurate I'd say... SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #77
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #100
The State Department authorized the theft of the UN Secretary General's DNA. Th1onein Jul 2013 #6
Plant it in a hotel room with a dead hooker. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #17
I would never have thought of that. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #32
More than that,... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #39
LAPD clearly planted blood in OJ's house. PD's plant guns, drugs all the time. Big Govt taking cues? chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #46
Good question. NealK Jul 2013 #20
No (morally) good reason. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #24
To identify his remains if someone attacks the UN. nt MADem Jul 2013 #34
They wouldn't need to steal it if this is the case rusty fender Jul 2013 #74
Excuse me? We have no "authority" to "demand" the DNA of foreigners in leadership roles. MADem Jul 2013 #104
You don't think that the UN doesn't already have rusty fender Aug 2013 #157
I'm not buying yours, and your attempts to provoke are lame in the extreme. MADem Aug 2013 #158
You've been doing great job on this story, kpete pscot Jul 2013 #9
+1 think Jul 2013 #27
+2 JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33
+100000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #36
+1 Agony Jul 2013 #45
de nada kpete Jul 2013 #53
Agreed... MrMickeysMom Aug 2013 #162
US defense contractor involved in child traficking? Beyond vile, disgusting, horrifying! Divernan Jul 2013 #10
True there was no good excuse for assisting in covering that up. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #12
I believe he made the right choice to make sure it wasn't covered up. Divernan Jul 2013 #14
He wasn't able to Hydra Jul 2013 #15
Well hopefully future whistleblowers will also take more care to only cstanleytech Jul 2013 #16
Yup, they better watch their step, or else! Scootaloo Jul 2013 #22
Insults from you wont change actual facts, sorry if you felt it would. nt cstanleytech Jul 2013 #29
seriously can't we all agree questionseverything Jul 2013 #85
Sure thats wrong but I assume you must have meant to reply to someone else as cstanleytech Jul 2013 #88
yes by siding with the truthblockers questionseverything Aug 2013 #168
"you say manning broke the law" No, Manning did that when he pleaded guilty. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #169
What, so they have to do it in a fashion you completely approve of? Hydra Jul 2013 #67
Its not an issue of my approving its an issue of the law cstanleytech Jul 2013 #83
And who is to decide which is what? RC Jul 2013 #101
We know what you think of whistle-blowers. Vanje Jul 2013 #114
You are going to have to be more specific on what war crimes you cstanleytech Jul 2013 #132
Child-trafficking by contractors... Vanje Jul 2013 #138
Manning didnt expose torture we already knew the US was involved in cstanleytech Jul 2013 #154
I thought it was Wackenhut/Armorgroup that trafficked young boys, not Dyncorp. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #26
Widespread practice, and yet people are not angered by this, but by the fact that it was revealed Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #60
No one's claimed it's an attempt OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #61
Yeah. Vanje Jul 2013 #115
Well said. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #35
In Bizarro world, child traffickers go free while those who call bullshit on it are imprisoned. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #52
The Man in the High Castle MisterP Jul 2013 #79
It's not the first time. Happened in Bosnia Bradical79 Jul 2013 #81
I don't know so much about who, but what Phlem Jul 2013 #13
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #18
+1 Shunning is one of the most powerful reprimands. canoeist52 Jul 2013 #91
Too bad Amnesty International is ignored in America. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #19
The Obama Administration: Protecting Criminals and Screwing Over Whistleblowers, 24/7 MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #25
Thank you. This should go to the Greatest Page. woo me with science Jul 2013 #37
M$M: yawn 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #38
But gosh. He took a solemn oath! He PROMISED!! Smarmie Doofus Jul 2013 #40
K&R Scuba Jul 2013 #41
US NAVY 1969-73 K&R B Calm Jul 2013 #42
kick kentuck Jul 2013 #43
America needs to look in the mirror and face these ugly facts Berlum Jul 2013 #44
Manning was not a whistleblower. randome Jul 2013 #48
"emotionally unstable" Isn't that the excuse the USSR used to fill the gulags? RC Jul 2013 #102
He was widely believed to have gender identity disorder. randome Jul 2013 #103
Just plain abused? RC Jul 2013 #105
Of course I have no idea. I only know what has been reported and verified. randome Jul 2013 #107
I hear he had boxes in his garage, too. Marr Jul 2013 #127
I'm sure I wouldn't know anything about that. randome Jul 2013 #131
Do you have any strong feelings about the war crimes Vanje Jul 2013 #117
Soldiers doing their jobs do not constitute war crimes. randome Jul 2013 #120
I don't think you read the article. Vanje Jul 2013 #126
I believe I gave it more attention than Manning did the hundreds of thousands of documents he stole. randome Jul 2013 #130
Its not illegal............. Vanje Jul 2013 #141
Maybe if Presidents and other politicians were made to serve in war... randome Jul 2013 #144
I don't think they give a shit. Marr Jul 2013 #135
I'm disturbed Vanje Jul 2013 #145
"Soldiers doing their jobs do not constitute war crimes" dflprincess Jul 2013 #134
So you want to throw the hundred thousand or so soldiers who served in Iraq in prison? randome Jul 2013 #137
One would hope that not every soldier committed war crimes dflprincess Jul 2013 #143
Sometimes I think all of us 'let' Iraq happen by not stopping it. randome Jul 2013 #148
Some of us marched, wrote letters..... Vanje Jul 2013 #153
Agreed Vanje Jul 2013 #151
Do you approve of the cover-up? Vanje Jul 2013 #140
You are making assumptions about me. randome Jul 2013 #147
Your quote does not support your opinion about Manning not being a whistleblower. blackspade Jul 2013 #139
No, it's my opinion. randome Jul 2013 #142
Then you haven't watched all of the apache footage. blackspade Aug 2013 #164
I don't see that the illegality is as clear cut as some maintain. randome Aug 2013 #165
I'm talking about the full 40 min or so video. blackspade Aug 2013 #166
Puke Post RetroLounge Jul 2013 #149
KR HiPointDem Jul 2013 #49
Total sentence for all of those crimes: 0. But all of this, for revealing them. DirkGently Jul 2013 #51
Bradley Manning Revealed Crimes Far Worse Than the Ones He Supposedly Committed kpete Jul 2013 #55
It's always a sick feeling seeing people so glibly enable that evil. "Traitors" indeed. DirkGently Jul 2013 #63
K&R.... daleanime Jul 2013 #64
Recommend. KoKo Jul 2013 #65
The empire IS evil, the corporate-military the 1% banksters have built is an evil empire.., Civilization2 Jul 2013 #70
There is a CANCER on the SOUL of AMERICA Martin Eden Jul 2013 #71
America HAS BECOME the USSR Angelonthesidelines Jul 2013 #73
No, it is becoming Oceania Dorn Jul 2013 #76
That's about as good a way to put it, Dorn... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #152
K&R Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #87
And why is that cabal of scorpions so free to take their book tours truedelphi Jul 2013 #92
I agree whole heartedly with every word you said here catchnrelease Jul 2013 #108
As soon as I saw the pictures coming out of Abu Grab Rex Jul 2013 #94
Our government isn't keeping anyone safe. Nor do they want to... truth2power Jul 2013 #95
That is probably the tip of the iceberg revealed Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #98
The Obama administration is deep in these crimes. Vanje Jul 2013 #110
I ALWAYS blame the Repuglicans in congress... Agony Aug 2013 #163
If Obama only knew, surely he would do something. Why don't his aides tell him? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #155
Like Obama's 30,000 armed Drones flying the US skies by 2020, they're protecting the 1% from the 99% blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #156
"The State Department authorized the theft of the UN Secretary General's DNA. " GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #173
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