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krispos42

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67. They lose on gun-control because those that know what they're taking about...
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 11:31 PM
Apr 2013

...and generally able to pick the proposals apart.

For example, defining "assault weapon" by secondary cosmetic features. The term as a marketing campaign is great, because you can just point the rhetorical "who needs an assault weapon?" at pretty much anything that looks scary. But then it's defined by pistol grips and telescoping stocks and such.

Everybody in the know, knows it is political pandering. The Connecticut Democrats looked those grieving Newtown parents in the eyes and told them that the problem would be solved by removing pistol grips from rifles and shotguns.


And we're not going to get our homicide rate in line with the rest of the civilized world because our non-gun homicide rate is as high as their total homicide rate. A big chunk of that is due to the harshness of our economy and our drug laws and our prison system and our school system.

And, of course, even if new handguns were banned for sale tomorrow, it would take generations to lower the numbers to the point where it was hard for criminals to get them. A lot can happen in generations, and it would be far faster to clean the air and water, educate our children properly, and fix the other problems I mentioned.

And there's the thing... people that own guns, that own real, material objects that they keep in their house and use on a regular basis, understand and react more, and in a more straightforward fashion than those that don't own them. Remember, people that don't own guns have to do literally nothing to keep doing so. In addition, guns are far more real and immediate than the cerebral concepts of banking laws and voting and monopolistic capitalism.



If you want Congress to pass your agenda, you have to have a Congress that will introduce and vote for that agenda. That's not very likely to happen if your side is perceived of passing useless, politically-motivated laws, if your side's goal is seen at deliberately and sharply lowering gun-ownership rates through onerous laws and restrictions, and that every law you want to pass is seen as merely a step towards that goal.

For example, I want to get a gun to keep handy for home defense. I have an 8-year-old, so while I would prefer a long gun, that is not something that is easy to keep discretely but instantly ready. So for my situation, a handgun in a quick-access safe is the better choice in a crisis. But you would make this "may-issue", which I presume would exclude most self-defense purposes. That how it seems to go when things become "may-issue". I believe that in Canada and Australia you need a legitimate reason to own a gun, and self-defense is not considered legitimate.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with supernaut Apr 2013 #1
Evidently not, since 90% of the constituents supported background checks... DanTex Apr 2013 #4
Whos constituents, where? supernaut Apr 2013 #8
Generally speaking, Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #9
Yeah, but in this situation supernaut Apr 2013 #10
That's not even the same thing, and you damn well know it. Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #11
Oh, well if people in other threads have spoken supernaut Apr 2013 #13
They were linked in replies to YOU. Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #14
... supernaut Apr 2013 #19
Does it really matter? Travis_0004 Apr 2013 #35
Yes it is, it's called statistics SpartanDem Apr 2013 #41
You've already seen them Progressive dog Apr 2013 #15
This one is most likely billh58 Apr 2013 #27
Yep. Squinch Apr 2013 #59
As predicted billh58 Apr 2013 #71
Drinks on me! Squinch Apr 2013 #72
To think folks like you covet and likely carry guns. Hoyt Apr 2013 #31
"folks like you" supernaut Apr 2013 #33
You're misconstruing how polling works. 4% felt gun control is important to them, but.. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #36
. supernaut Apr 2013 #37
Asking whether people feel gun control is important is different from asking if they support JaneyVee Apr 2013 #60
You don't even read your own links. defacto7 Apr 2013 #39
"...if an issue is favored by 90% of people nationwide, Jenoch Apr 2013 #55
Oh my GOD. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #17
Unaware of what? supernaut Apr 2013 #34
second link... defacto7 Apr 2013 #40
intelligent people, EVERYWHERE Skittles Apr 2013 #28
Too bad other politicians shit in the well, so to speak NickB79 Apr 2013 #20
Exactly, a bunch of my neighbors thought Newtown was the greatest thing ever Fumesucker Apr 2013 #5
Wow, what a thing to find out about your neighbors... We People Apr 2013 #12
Gun sSales did go up like after every gun massacre Progressive dog Apr 2013 #16
It is typical to want to surround yourself with loved ones after such a tragedy. jmg257 Apr 2013 #18
you basically just said galileoreloaded Apr 2013 #2
Thank you mokawanis Apr 2013 #3
A big majority of gun owners supported universal background checks. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #6
But most cheered when it was defeated. . . . and likely hugged their guns. Hoyt Apr 2013 #42
So you are saying the 90% figure was bogus? hack89 Apr 2013 #44
Nope, I'm saying a bunch of gun owners said they are for background checks, because only an idiot, Hoyt Apr 2013 #47
So that 90% support does not reflect actual support for background checks? hack89 Apr 2013 #48
OK, Hack, you win - I described gun nuts in the previous post. Hoyt Apr 2013 #49
Either that 90% figure is valid (ie reflects reality) or it is not. hack89 Apr 2013 #50
The reason we lost on gun control was not because of the Republicans. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #7
I believe that it passed Lordquinton Apr 2013 #21
I am not sure what the hell you are talking about but the bill extending background checks rhett o rick Apr 2013 #22
I was under the impression that it passed Lordquinton Apr 2013 #24
Do you think editing will help? Sanity is overrated anywayz. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #26
Upon reflection Lordquinton Apr 2013 #30
Ok if you want to get technical, the bill never got voted on. The bill was filibustered rhett o rick Apr 2013 #61
This is an important point Lordquinton Apr 2013 #64
And the filibuster killed it in the senate. cui bono Apr 2013 #58
It is amusing seeing all the gunners provide their "advice" alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #23
they are absolute fucking cowards Skittles Apr 2013 #29
Who exactly has said to give up? NickB79 Apr 2013 #32
Most gungeoneers loath the ATF. Hoyt Apr 2013 #43
Right wing Dems? They're from conservative districts. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #25
At least you understand the relation of primary elections to the gun control vote aikoaiko Apr 2013 #38
Part of the problem was that the legislation proposed... krispos42 Apr 2013 #45
I agree with you about Glass-Steagal, banks, plutocrats, IRV, etc. DanTex Apr 2013 #46
They lose on gun-control because those that know what they're taking about... krispos42 Apr 2013 #67
By "those who know what they're talking about" you mean "right-wing Republicans". DanTex Apr 2013 #68
Actually, it's also people like you. krispos42 Apr 2013 #69
Why thank you! DanTex Apr 2013 #70
"The rifle used at Newtown was not an 'assault weapon'." Damn sure was, that's why it's coveted. Hoyt Apr 2013 #51
per the law it was not Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #53
That's why we need to make it simple, ban all semi-autos. Gunnys don't understand spirit-of-law. Hoyt Apr 2013 #56
It was 100 percent legal to own in Connecticut... krispos42 Apr 2013 #62
Per usual, Krispos, you are blinded by your love of guns. Hoyt Apr 2013 #63
Okay, then, at least you've become consistent. krispos42 Apr 2013 #65
Shitloads of people on our side didn't want it. Iggo Apr 2013 #52
Fascism, we need safety more than our cousins,,, orpupilofnature57 Apr 2013 #54
Yes, but that wouldn't have mattered if Reid had dealt with the filibuster. cui bono Apr 2013 #57
I thought the proposed bill still exempted most private sales? madville Apr 2013 #66
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