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Pholus

(4,062 posts)
79. One does not combat religious fervor with facts.
Sun Apr 28, 2013, 09:02 AM
Apr 2013

Initially tried your approach in May of 2011.

A gunner was presenting statistics for the 90 "most violent" and "least violent" nations on earth and concluded based on a regression coefficient of -0.25 that the data completely supported their argument.

I pointed out each and every problem with the data. I pointed out the correlation was actually going the WRONG way to support the "hypothesis." But you can't argue with someone who not only doesn't understand statistics but is full of confirmation bias on the level you suggest.

It didn't matter. You simply do not argue matters of fact when the issue is faith. Period.

So, the only thing left to do is poke them with sharp sticks through their cage walls and let them say stupid things that can be held against them later.

I've racked up quite a collection.

My latest addition is some guy that states that he is a "longhorn" while everyone else is "sheep." See he has a gun to protect his "herd" and the rest of the "sheep" just let each other die cause they're liberal idiots who don't see that we all need guns to survive our trips to the local 7-11. Funny stuff, when you can get at the offal that lurks just beneath the surface of a gunner. They are the worst sort of social darwinist. Every time I see a gun post by this guy I now get to point out that he has also categorically stated in the past that he is a cow. I don't think he knows how to counter that yet cause he always goes away.

Of course, you said it exactly right when saying, "If you want to convince people". AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #1
Preaching to the choir is fun... Pelican Apr 2013 #76
Guns are a cultural issue, not a public safety one. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #2
I'm in a weird place on that. Recursion Apr 2013 #31
No, this is a democracy, it doesn't require unanimous support Progressive dog Apr 2013 #3
I think single-issue polling is misleading. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #4
All polling is somewhat misleading Progressive dog Apr 2013 #5
No this is a republic with laws that can override a popular sentiment or vote ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #7
Believe what you will, people make the laws and can change them Progressive dog Apr 2013 #8
I believe in the law and deplore mob rule ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #9
Deplore how you will, you'll have to endure living in a Progressive dog Apr 2013 #10
Not for much longer ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #12
Where are those pro gunner centrists Progressive dog Apr 2013 #13
Most here clearly are ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #62
Then why all the posts complainig about the 90% Progressive dog Apr 2013 #64
I have only posted once in this thread point out the contrary polling ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #65
There are no valid metrics for DGU from either side ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #6
Find out who they are and fire them from their jobs. gulliver Apr 2013 #11
You would fire a guy who is supporting his family because of a gun he owns? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #15
Yes, but it would depend on the weapon for me. gulliver Apr 2013 #16
So you think I should be fired? hack89 Apr 2013 #17
Yup, times have changed. gulliver Apr 2013 #19
So my daughter should be expelled from college? Really? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #20
Sorry. It's not personal. gulliver Apr 2013 #21
The NRA thanks you for their support hack89 Apr 2013 #25
I'm not too optimistic about gun control laws. gulliver Apr 2013 #35
If your goal is to save lives then AR-15s are the least of your worries when it come to guns. hack89 Apr 2013 #38
I call that being a control freak. And how would you find out what guns they owned The Straight Story Apr 2013 #67
You just named the 2 firearms I own, premium Apr 2013 #18
I've had shotguns of several gauges. gulliver Apr 2013 #24
My kids are grown up and gone, premium Apr 2013 #28
That's an extremist position Union Scribe Apr 2013 #23
I dunno... gulliver Apr 2013 #27
Making millions of people unemployed Union Scribe Apr 2013 #29
One day Duckhunter935 Apr 2013 #39
Do you hire based on how some one votes? Stretch714 Apr 2013 #41
There is a big difference between voting... gulliver Apr 2013 #69
So any one who owns an AR-15 has a flawed character, wow. nt Stretch714 Apr 2013 #71
So someone voting for the Tea Party does not have a flawed character? ok. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #78
I can only imagine your distaste for unions then NickB79 Apr 2013 #66
Even though 12-ga. shotguns kill FAR more people annually? NickB79 Apr 2013 #68
I don't get it metalbot Apr 2013 #73
Joe McCarthy would be proud kudzu22 Apr 2013 #22
We need to draw a line somewhere? Then draw it between criminals and noncriminals. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #30
I'm sure your bigotry is widespread customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #37
+1000. nt raccoon Apr 2013 #80
ok GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #14
OMG Skittles Apr 2013 #26
Well, what you've been trying is clearly working so well... Recursion Apr 2013 #32
it's the NRA and BIG MONEY buying results Skittles Apr 2013 #33
Nonsense. beevul Apr 2013 #45
check Australia's stats and get back to me Skittles Apr 2013 #47
Australia's stats... beevul Apr 2013 #48
BULLSHIT Skittles Apr 2013 #49
I'll take that non-denial denial as a confirmation. N/T beevul Apr 2013 #50
DONE here Skittles Apr 2013 #56
Oh and the nuts, come marching in oh and the nuts come marching in DainBramaged Apr 2013 #53
I am so fucking tired of them Dain Skittles Apr 2013 #55
They are simply trying to wear America down. DainBramaged Apr 2013 #57
Here is yet another billh58 Apr 2013 #34
Admittedly, I've only ventured into the Gungeon once or twice Bake Apr 2013 #43
Its part of the overall effort. beevul Apr 2013 #46
I've been called a gun nut, gun lover, gun humper, etc., ad infinitum Bake Apr 2013 #51
I've been subject to the same treatment, but that's not the part that bugs me. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2013 #75
It's called Gun Safety Measures MattBaggins Apr 2013 #36
The only opinions that need to be changed edhopper Apr 2013 #40
I must respectfully disagree. Aristus Apr 2013 #42
"Weapons of Mass Murder?" Bake Apr 2013 #44
I don't consider every firearm a weapon of mass murder. Aristus Apr 2013 #59
What about a single shot bolt action .577 supernaut Apr 2013 #77
It's not a small minority Uzair Apr 2013 #52
The problem is, the fact-based community already agrees with gun control. DanTex Apr 2013 #54
A great way to get someone to not listen to you is to tell them hughee99 Apr 2013 #58
Stupid bigoted gun nuts who don't care if children die aren't going to listen to logic regardless. DanTex Apr 2013 #60
+1000 n/t billh58 Apr 2013 #61
Of course, but if you start your argument off like this, hughee99 Apr 2013 #63
I presume you can see the circularity of your own argument without my needing to point it out? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #81
I mock gun owners. I have nukes. Drones too, not those weenie remote contol kind, smart AI... hunter Apr 2013 #70
Thank you for your concern. baldguy Apr 2013 #72
This is perhaps the most asinine thing I've read in hours: ellisonz Apr 2013 #74
One does not combat religious fervor with facts. Pholus Apr 2013 #79
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