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In reply to the discussion: Video-Amina: Topless Tunisian Protester Tells Femen She Was Beaten,Kidnapped & Drugged By Her Family [View all]BainsBane
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dedicated to proving Islam is evil and expect me to take your posts seriously? That you actually think there is anything legitimate about that site boggles the imagination. You really don't have the first notion of how to do research or vet sources at all. You don't even attempt to find any analysis of Quranic scholarship. You don't even seem to understand the most basic concept that only Quranic scholars of the highest levels are permitted to interpret the Quran. Scholars study for decades to reach that level. Anti-religious zealots do not qualify, nor do any of the clerics within Al Qaeda. Without that most basic understanding, you think you can list a few passages and pretend to know their meaning within the Islam as a whole? Do you even know which branches of Quranic scholarship promote the primacy of of the passages you cite? How does Sufism consider the role of women in society? How do you explain the differences in the role of women in different cultures, from Turkey to Dubai to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan? If Islam is really so simplistically monolithic as you imagine, why is there such variation in rights of women throughout the Muslim world? How do you explain the changes in attitudes toward women in the post-colonial period?
I've given you countless examples that contradict your anti-Islamic propaganda, which you systematically ignore, seemingly because they doesn't fit your singular agenda here--to show than Islam and Muslims are inferior. Inferior to what? Do you know that women in the US are killed at nearly 5x the rate than are women in Tunisia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Do you know that women in this country are raped at extremely high rates (25%) and that nearly half of all women in the US military are raped? Or do you simply not care about something as trivial as the rape of murder of women? And you think the problem is with Islam, despise the fact that history shows there is nothing endemic to seeing women as inferior in the religion, despite the fact a group dedicated to spreading hatred about Muslims compiled some passages from the Quran. Big fucking deal. You can find the same thing in laws for many US states and Western nations. What matters is how texts are interpreted, and that falls to Quranic scholars, not random people with no education in the field. Moreover, laws themselves are enforced by courts, and few Muslim countries operate under Sharia law.
How is it that you've missed all of the activism by Muslims, men and women alike, in support of women's rights?
Like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022764236
or this: http://rt.com/news/tunisia-protests-belaid-eu-366/
If Islam is inherently misogynistic, what are these men and women doing protesting for women's rights while remaining practicing Muslims?
So is the problem that Tunisian women might find their abortion rights circumscribed like American women have already faced (because their current rights exceed those of women in many states in the US), or that they have the audacity to practice a religion you despise? I don't see that you care one wit for Amina or any other Muslim woman. How can you when you have no respect for their religion and ethnic identity?
So what is your proposal to rid the world of the evils of Islam? To continue to demonstrate Western cultural superiority by dropping bombs on Muslim nations and wiping those women off the face of the map? Next stop Syria, Iran, and then Tunisia? And you think our culture is superior? What kind of rights do Muslim women have after they've been slaughtered? Even if you do not see such military action as legitimate, how is it that you refuse to consider the role of the West and the US in particular in propping up the authoritarian dictatorships that gave rise to the fundamentalist extremism you conflate with Islam as a whole? Would reading a bit of history really be so objectionable? (And by history I mean peer-reviewed articles in academic journals and books published by university presses, not random crap online).
You show contempt for the religion and ethnic identity of 2 billion people on earth and accuse me of shit stirring? If refusing to sit back and let you spread anti-Islamic propaganda without criticism is shit stirring, that I proudly stand charged. I have read more than I can stomach from you. We will not be having further conversations, period.