Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
6. Ummm...who says they are?
Fri Apr 26, 2013, 09:39 PM
Apr 2013

Some see the only solution is to remove all guns (except from those wonderful and capable government folks....).

As far as background checks - I am all for them myself. Not sure which crimes of late they would have stopped.

Not all that sure I favor federal background versus state though.

When you have 1% or less of gun owners using their guns in crimes I don't think it will solve as many problems as some think it will.....It is like how the republicans were sure if they did drug testing on people on welfare it would save a ton of money. Come to find out only a small, tiny, percent on welfare were using drugs and it cost them more money than they saved.

But it sure made them feel better about things for awhile.

Folks don't think gun owners care about the issues. They do (I didn't say *I* because I don't own a gun), they just the solution to the problem in a different light. Why 'punish' the many for what the very few do?

How about we put more funding into police and such to enforce laws -think about speeding and how many people, every single minute of the day, are speeding - we can ticket most people on the roads. There are not enough cops to do so. And even if there were it would clog the courts, so we would need more money and people for that as well.

Point is - there are more laws about guns than there are people to enforce them in a reasonable manner. And our prisons are filled up with people who smoke pot. We could lessen the sentences for non-violent people and put people behind bars longer who use guns.

But we don't. We don't want to spend the money either to enforce what already exists.

You can do a background check on someone today and a year from now their life falls apart and they use their gun in a crime. The check is only as good as the data that day, guns have a long shelf life.

Why work on something that makes you feel better, gives the federal government more information and power (how did the patriot act and such help out in that boston bombing thing?), and does little to prevent the deeper reasons for crime in general?

We are are not looking for solutions, we are looking for band aids to make us feel better and like something is being done. Just like after 9/11 - ride the wave and pass anything to make us safer.

'Folks' aren't, elleng Apr 2013 #1
LOL .. Cue in the classic DU Gungeonite Bombasters Trajan Apr 2013 #2
You've no idea who at DU owns a gun and who doesn't. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #25
OK ... so you are a bona fide Liberal ? Trajan Apr 2013 #36
Wow. Did you read my entire post? Because I don't think you did. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #40
I resent that BethanyQuartz Apr 2013 #31
Blah blah blah .... Trajan Apr 2013 #35
Does plastering the photos of dead servicemen stop war in the world newmember Apr 2013 #3
Actually yes, see Vietnam war. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #5
It wasn't the photos that made the difference newmember Apr 2013 #10
Why did the pentagon have a no photos allowed then? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #12
I agree that it was the first war in everyones living room newmember Apr 2013 #15
Check what happened to Occupy nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #18
I was going to mention the occupy movement newmember Apr 2013 #19
What you need is a national strike nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #21
I agree and would love to see that...boy would I newmember Apr 2013 #23
They don't happen often and thankfully I can sleep it off nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #26
yes. eventually is does. spanone Apr 2013 #46
The problem with background checks isn't a lack of people who want them Recursion Apr 2013 #4
Ummm...who says they are? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #6
My husband & I own guns, we also support background checks peacebird Apr 2013 #7
At the state level, sure The Straight Story Apr 2013 #8
We live in Virgina and our state does not have the best background checks... peacebird Apr 2013 #9
Well, here is an idea The Straight Story Apr 2013 #13
Alas this is the problem nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #11
No need to go to AZ The Straight Story Apr 2013 #16
They still go to AZ and California does pursue straws. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #17
Great post. I totally agree. (n/t) spin Apr 2013 #37
90% of Americans supported background checks - that includes most gun owners. hack89 Apr 2013 #14
But voting for it and passing it into law means they have to provide infrastructure for it. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #32
Distrust of government davidn3600 Apr 2013 #20
90% support background checks nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #22
90% want background checks but that doesn't mean 90% supported this bill davidn3600 Apr 2013 #24
Once again, the US senate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #27
Only 4% of Americans think this is the most important issue davidn3600 Apr 2013 #29
Some of us are not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #30
The US senate was not designed to support the will of the people. ... spin Apr 2013 #38
Yeah, but requiring supermajorities nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #42
I have to agree that that is a valid point. (n/t) spin Apr 2013 #45
Because it's their guns and not their lives. rightsideout Apr 2013 #28
Too many view a threat to their gun as a threat to their life n/t Mopar151 Apr 2013 #39
I agree about the background checks. But Newtown has NOTHING to do with that. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #33
If you "do not get it," it may be because you are offering a false choice and disregarding the AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #34
Let's take this one piece at a time.... Alva Goldbook Apr 2013 #41
The problem isn't the background checks kudzu22 Apr 2013 #43
"Anti second amendment"? rrneck Apr 2013 #44
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Why are folks more concer...»Reply #6