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calimary

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34. What I always seem to get is "wellll... I don't know... "
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 03:24 PM
Dec 2012

That's when you know their brains have gone "TILT!"

"Welllll... I don't know..."

That's when I know I hit a soft spot and they have no comeback.

And when I get the "both sides are messed up" or "well, both sides do it" then I POUNCE.

OH YEAH???? WHO IS IT that tried to suppress the vote - to TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO VOTE?!?!?!????" Was that the Democrats?
WHO IS IT who tried to force vaginal probes into women's bodies against their will? Were any Democrats pushing that one?
Who's denying climate change all the time? Do you hear or see ANY Democrats doing that?
Who's trying to butt in on gynecologists' offices? Is it the Democrats leading that one? ANY Democrats leading that one? Which ones, 'eh? Name me ONE.
Who are the ones always saying 'NO, NO NO NO NO' to every idea and proposal that comes up - even many of THEIR OWN IDEAS AND PROPOSALS???
Which party is it that's supporting fucking RACISTS who go around holding protest signs showing The President Of The United States with a bone through his nose? Any Democrats? Tell me which ones.

And I tailor it by whomever I'm arguing with.
WHO's the party trying to keep you from having your kid stay covered on your health insurance?
WHICH party is it that doesn't want you to be able to stay covered - and allow your insurance company to decide when they've paid out enough when you're still sick or injured???
WHICH party is blocking the funding that your community needs to fix that delapidated bridge down the road from your house???? Is it REALLY the Democrats piling on that, too?
You live in Tornado Alley - which party is it that is begrudging YOU GUYS disaster aid? Any Democrats on that one? Or is it all republi-CONS?
WHICH party is it that doesn't give a damn that you (female) don't get paid what the guy next to you gets paid even though you're both doing the same job and you've been there longer? Tell me which party that is!!! Democrats? Or is it the GOP?
WHICH party is trying to protect the rich and screw the poor - even during times like these of really great need????
WHICH party is it that doesn't want to make the rich pay a few dollars more in taxes to help support their country as their patriotic duty in her time of need - AND WE'RE STILL AT WAR, TOO, BTW, IN CASE YOU FORGOT, when most of 'em have more money than God??? Which Democrats are on that one? Can you name me any?
WHICH PARTY IS IT that's nickeling and diming our veterans up the ying-yang when they come home all fucked up from a war that we were LIED INTO??? WHICH PARTY IS THAT???? IS THAT BOTH SIDES???? REALLY????? YOU tell ME.

That's when I usually get either flat-out silence or that ol' fallback "...welllll... I don't know... "

And that one's usually muttered under one's breath, so you kinda have to listen for it.

I, for one, am SICK TO DEATH of hearing that old canard - "both sides! Both sides! Both sides are doing it! They're both for shit!" NO, THEY AREN'T!!! Both sides are NOT doing shit like this!!! And I'm tired of hearing it. That's lazy and ill-informed talk you're hearing when someone says that to you. It means they're NOT thinking, they're NOT reasoning, they're NOT paying attention, they're NOT keeping track, and all they're doing is watching Pox Noise and regurgitating false and distorted and agenda-driven talking points they hear repeatedly. They're NOT thinking critically. Hell, if they WERE thinking critically and paying attention and keeping track of what's going on in the news, they'd be watching something other than Pox Noise in the first place.

So I strike. I don't let that one go. I feel like I HAVE TO confront - and correct the record. 'Cause if they ARE getting all that dreck from Pox Noise, then they are NOT hearing anything to counter it from any other sources. They're NOT hearing anything but the propaganda and nothing from the reality-side to counter or check it. And I think they need to. ESPECIALLY since they won't hear it even if they watch CNN or most of the other outlets, many times including MSNBC. This is a theme that is NOT widely expressed. Most of the reporters and anchors out there haven't gotten to that point of enlightenment and acknowledgement or recognition of reality. And it's just much easier to blow it all off by saying "meh, both sides. Both sides!" So nobody REALLY gets what's happening and who's genuinely at fault. I think that's why republi-CONS can keep getting away with being elected and reelected. Nobody remembers, nobody's told, nobody's enlightened, nobody's breaking through the bullshit and telling the truth. So if I'm there and somebody's spraying this shit at me, then I feel like I might as well do something about it. If they start spouting this brainless robotic shit, then I think they better be able to defend it. Because it's not one bit true.

And SOMEBODY has to be there to debunk the crap and set the record straight, and KEEP it set straight, especially since we can't depend on the media to report responsibly and do it on their own. Who knows? If you try it, YOURS might be the very first visit to reality that your friend or neighbor or relative has had a glimpse of, yet.

Aw crap - sorry this is so long...

M$M is doing number 2 to no end, they loose all credibility uponit7771 Dec 2012 #1
"Number 2" is a perfect descriptor for what they do. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #2
LOL SunSeeker Dec 2012 #24
When they claim to be "independent" voters... Orrex Dec 2012 #3
Yes, my "independent voter" friends always vote Republican. Interesting! SharonAnn Dec 2012 #17
I used to work with a guy like that NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #18
Don't give independents a bad name just because the ones who talk to you are republican. iiibbb Dec 2012 #28
To be fair, *ALL* of the independents that I have talked to are Republican Orrex Dec 2012 #29
"Who did you vote for in the last four national elections, house, senate, and president?" Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #4
i've called lot's of people on the both sides do it drivel samsingh Dec 2012 #5
Or they'll say something totally irrelevant like... QED Dec 2012 #6
You are about where I am. I don't talk to anyone that yells about illegals or bluestate10 Dec 2012 #44
Mostly they flail around and go down a ditto list Warpy Dec 2012 #7
Big time. They try to sound smart but you can tell they're very unread and ignorant Populist_Prole Dec 2012 #27
I met a man who insisted that the government could read our minds. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #45
Conservatives were the kids who cheated in high school Tsiyu Dec 2012 #8
"For all their claims to be such rugged individualists" bluestate10 Dec 2012 #46
Mine resort to namecalling Glitterati Dec 2012 #9
Yes, namecalling is the sign they've lost the argument. nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #25
Can you tell me what a "conservative friend" is....? Bigmack Dec 2012 #10
Gah! I hated the "it's the extreme from both parties" canard. progressoid Dec 2012 #11
One not-too-crazy conservative I work with points to Obama's DirkGently Dec 2012 #12
#2 is used way too often by today's media Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2012 #13
"I vote for the person, not the party." mac56 Dec 2012 #14
The wrongsiders are fond of false equivalency and backlash projection. ananda Dec 2012 #15
When Third Way "liberals" are losing a political discussion on a message board OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #16
I would like to know what people think "Third" refers to, please and thanks. nt patrice Dec 2012 #31
Your post is misguided. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #47
Lots of people,on both sides, do #1. beyurslf Dec 2012 #19
Another one I heard a lot this election cycle EileenFB Dec 2012 #20
"I'm really more of a Libertarian." vanlassie Dec 2012 #21
I like to hear that one, because it's an excuse to talk about freedom & how it differs from LiberTea patrice Dec 2012 #33
Don't forget: sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #22
"so common" that that's also what we hear from emo progs, which fact I'd be willing to live patrice Dec 2012 #23
Good question. nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #30
that's an opportunity Enrique Dec 2012 #26
Bingo! "irreconncilable" The oppressor wants us to think there 2 and only 2 things possible & anyone patrice Dec 2012 #32
What I always seem to get is "wellll... I don't know... " calimary Dec 2012 #34
nice! SHRED Dec 2012 #49
After 20 seconds: "Oh, I don't really know that much." Festivito Dec 2012 #35
As much as Ben Afleck & Matt Damon want to pretend otherwise: there ARE BAD PEOPLE in the world. patrice Dec 2012 #36
A little memorizing the Pentagon report and no one could say: Festivito Dec 2012 #37
TIME is a crucial factor in all of this. How do we preserve as much value as we can patrice Dec 2012 #38
Our understanding, wants, desires, ... are limited by time. Festivito Dec 2012 #39
I honestly do think that's possible. That's why some of what we're seeing is so frustrating. patrice Dec 2012 #40
We have made major voting mistakes as a country. Festivito Dec 2012 #42
Happy New Year, Festivito! patrice Dec 2012 #43
Happy New Year back at you, Patrice. Festivito Dec 2012 #48
i said this before , i see this shit all the time , go online to non political forums JI7 Dec 2012 #41
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