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In reply to the discussion: When my conservative friends are losing a political discussion [View all]calimary
(81,110 posts)That's when you know their brains have gone "TILT!"
"Welllll... I don't know..."
That's when I know I hit a soft spot and they have no comeback.
And when I get the "both sides are messed up" or "well, both sides do it" then I POUNCE.
OH YEAH???? WHO IS IT that tried to suppress the vote - to TAKE AWAY THE RIGHT OF PEOPLE TO VOTE?!?!?!????" Was that the Democrats?
WHO IS IT who tried to force vaginal probes into women's bodies against their will? Were any Democrats pushing that one?
Who's denying climate change all the time? Do you hear or see ANY Democrats doing that?
Who's trying to butt in on gynecologists' offices? Is it the Democrats leading that one? ANY Democrats leading that one? Which ones, 'eh? Name me ONE.
Who are the ones always saying 'NO, NO NO NO NO' to every idea and proposal that comes up - even many of THEIR OWN IDEAS AND PROPOSALS???
Which party is it that's supporting fucking RACISTS who go around holding protest signs showing The President Of The United States with a bone through his nose? Any Democrats? Tell me which ones.
And I tailor it by whomever I'm arguing with.
WHO's the party trying to keep you from having your kid stay covered on your health insurance?
WHICH party is it that doesn't want you to be able to stay covered - and allow your insurance company to decide when they've paid out enough when you're still sick or injured???
WHICH party is blocking the funding that your community needs to fix that delapidated bridge down the road from your house???? Is it REALLY the Democrats piling on that, too?
You live in Tornado Alley - which party is it that is begrudging YOU GUYS disaster aid? Any Democrats on that one? Or is it all republi-CONS?
WHICH party is it that doesn't give a damn that you (female) don't get paid what the guy next to you gets paid even though you're both doing the same job and you've been there longer? Tell me which party that is!!! Democrats? Or is it the GOP?
WHICH party is trying to protect the rich and screw the poor - even during times like these of really great need????
WHICH party is it that doesn't want to make the rich pay a few dollars more in taxes to help support their country as their patriotic duty in her time of need - AND WE'RE STILL AT WAR, TOO, BTW, IN CASE YOU FORGOT, when most of 'em have more money than God??? Which Democrats are on that one? Can you name me any?
WHICH PARTY IS IT that's nickeling and diming our veterans up the ying-yang when they come home all fucked up from a war that we were LIED INTO??? WHICH PARTY IS THAT???? IS THAT BOTH SIDES???? REALLY????? YOU tell ME.
That's when I usually get either flat-out silence or that ol' fallback "...welllll... I don't know... "
And that one's usually muttered under one's breath, so you kinda have to listen for it.
I, for one, am SICK TO DEATH of hearing that old canard - "both sides! Both sides! Both sides are doing it! They're both for shit!" NO, THEY AREN'T!!! Both sides are NOT doing shit like this!!! And I'm tired of hearing it. That's lazy and ill-informed talk you're hearing when someone says that to you. It means they're NOT thinking, they're NOT reasoning, they're NOT paying attention, they're NOT keeping track, and all they're doing is watching Pox Noise and regurgitating false and distorted and agenda-driven talking points they hear repeatedly. They're NOT thinking critically. Hell, if they WERE thinking critically and paying attention and keeping track of what's going on in the news, they'd be watching something other than Pox Noise in the first place.
So I strike. I don't let that one go. I feel like I HAVE TO confront - and correct the record. 'Cause if they ARE getting all that dreck from Pox Noise, then they are NOT hearing anything to counter it from any other sources. They're NOT hearing anything but the propaganda and nothing from the reality-side to counter or check it. And I think they need to. ESPECIALLY since they won't hear it even if they watch CNN or most of the other outlets, many times including MSNBC. This is a theme that is NOT widely expressed. Most of the reporters and anchors out there haven't gotten to that point of enlightenment and acknowledgement or recognition of reality. And it's just much easier to blow it all off by saying "meh, both sides. Both sides!" So nobody REALLY gets what's happening and who's genuinely at fault. I think that's why republi-CONS can keep getting away with being elected and reelected. Nobody remembers, nobody's told, nobody's enlightened, nobody's breaking through the bullshit and telling the truth. So if I'm there and somebody's spraying this shit at me, then I feel like I might as well do something about it. If they start spouting this brainless robotic shit, then I think they better be able to defend it. Because it's not one bit true.
And SOMEBODY has to be there to debunk the crap and set the record straight, and KEEP it set straight, especially since we can't depend on the media to report responsibly and do it on their own. Who knows? If you try it, YOURS might be the very first visit to reality that your friend or neighbor or relative has had a glimpse of, yet.
Aw crap - sorry this is so long...