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Hortensis

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17. He's moderate conservative by PERSONALITY and
Fri May 22, 2020, 11:00 AM
May 2020

most likely moderate traditional conservative POLITICALLY and almost certainly (the norm for all of us) holds a range and goulash of values and positions that overlap with liberalism and especially progressivism.

As for what conservative IS, political psychologists, philosophers and historians say conservatism is above all an emotional reaction to change and differences, typically negative, without an intellectual basis to adhere to. W wasn't just woofing when he said he consulted his gut. (That's very unlike liberalism with its very old and entrenched intellectual foundations and evolution.)

Bill Buckley: "A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop..."

Abe Lincoln stated the essence of the contribution traditional conservatism brings to government. Mid-century conservative scholars like Buckley tried to create and embed in the Republican Party -- but they lost that battle and the party to the RW extremists.

"What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?"

As those like Schwartz say, they didn't change, the Republican Party left them. More specifically, those who took it over are socially and/or religiously hard-to-extreme right and also extreme right/laissez-faire/kleptocratic economically. In the process of taking the party over, they purged traditional conservative values and practices that obstructed their plans to remake America to suit them. And developed the potential for authoritarian obedience and targeting of hostility to divide and conquer the electorate.

Which brings us to today, when thoughtful conservatives like Schwartz have had to accept that the changes to the party weren't something its voters would throw off and resolve for themselves. Under extremely bad leaders, most changed too in the mass societal pathology that's developed.

He sabotages our real defenses while using our forces as props. JHB May 2020 #1
+++ still_one May 2020 #2
He is Putin's main man on the ground in America. Putin get what Putin wants! usaf-vet May 2020 #4
"I tawt I taw a Puti tat!" - Tweety ArizonaLib May 2020 #27
He's great and PCIntern May 2020 #3
understood. It is puzzling still_one May 2020 #6
They didn't do vetting of Palin. They just picked her hoping it would help get women that supported JI7 May 2020 #7
How a college sophomore put Alaska's governor on the map. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2020 #33
I've said the same thing about Rick Wilson FakeNoose May 2020 #8
They aren't that committed to conservative politics. At least not Steve Schmidt JI7 May 2020 #9
He's moderate conservative by PERSONALITY and Hortensis May 2020 #17
Exactly. PCIntern May 2020 #10
Use them while we can LiberalLovinLug May 2020 #35
I've wondered the same thing about anyone Leith May 2020 #28
putin's pawn empedocles May 2020 #5
In a recent podcast, Al Franken interviews Schmidt and takes him to task at times... FormerDittoHead May 2020 #11
Which is fair. calimary May 2020 #34
And he has exposed America's dirty little secret that 40% of the electorate is just like him. Pepsidog May 2020 #12
It's hard to argue with that. n/t Laelth May 2020 #13
The whole GOP is GUILTY ... GeorgeGist May 2020 #14
Poor choice of words. We elected Hillary in 2016. tRUMP was ratfucked onto us... elections and abqtommy May 2020 #15
with plenty of help barbtries May 2020 #16
K&R smirkymonkey May 2020 #18
he's been great, I like him better now that he is on our side Hamlette May 2020 #19
Most compelling wordsmith...a Rhetorician. Kid Berwyn May 2020 #20
Under the circumstances and at THIS time, I will accept Steve's efforts as genuine. not_the_one May 2020 #21
I have no illusion they are still republicans, and will jump back to the republican party once trump still_one May 2020 #22
Nicole Wallace didn't even vote for Mccain becsuse Palin was on the ticket JI7 May 2020 #23
That's fine with me. We need a sane two-party system for the sake of our democracy... First Speaker May 2020 #26
I agree still_one May 2020 #29
KR! TY Cha May 2020 #24
He is simply a reflection of Republicans in general ibegurpard May 2020 #25
Well said steve amuse bouche May 2020 #30
Imperviousness might be an obstacle? czarjak May 2020 #31
HUGE K&R red dog 1 May 2020 #32
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