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Farmer-Rick

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13. No it is Not a well established fact that raising pigs, chickens, goats, rabbits, cattle is worse
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jan 2020

Then drenching round up, pesticides, nitrogen, fungicides and using GMOs on millions of acres of fruit and vegetables. No scientific comparison with controls published in peer reviewed journals has ever been done. People have theories and estimates but no authentic scientific comparisons.

Yeah maybe too many cattle are raised. But what about rabbit and goat? Millions eat those meats routinely. Yeah New Zealand and Australia raise too much lamb. But what about pigs and chicken?

As you reduce the amount of meat available for consumption, how much more fruits and vegetables along with their chemical processing to make them ediable do you have to increase to compensate? Soy bean curd is not produced by simply cooking. Vegtable oil does not come in sufficient quantities to feed a family from a single acre of canola. Yet an acre will easily support 20 rabbits, 3 sheep or two pigs.

Rabbit and pigs can convert vegetable mass into fat and muscle mass in a surprisingly more efficient manner than humans or beef. I suspect the energy used to process one acre of canola into oil is more than the energy used by a pig to make 10 gallons of fat. I have seen studies that suggest this.....unfortunately it had not been experimentally studied.

So, considering all the animals in the world, the energy and poisons used to extract nutrition from vegetative matter (and mother nature does it through animals simpler and better than human processing) there is considerable argument about meat having a worse impact on the environment.

This is kind of silly Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #1
I think you hit it right on the head. Archae Jan 2020 #3
Funny, I've never met a vegan who evangelizes. Merlot Jan 2020 #12
My son was vegan for 7 years--and he was very aggressive about it. Yes, some do tblue37 Jan 2020 #25
Maybe your son was trying to annoy you Dorian Gray Jan 2020 #63
No, he was like that with everybody, including his friends. nt tblue37 Jan 2020 #64
The same with one of my nephews LoveMyCali Jan 2020 #82
They evangalize all the time here. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #41
Vegan bashing is much more common than "evangelizing" Merlot Jan 2020 #47
Yes I agree JonLP24 Jan 2020 #57
I had a coworker once who kept photos in her office of slaughtered animals Clash City Rocker Jan 2020 #80
Evangelizing mmbrevo Jan 2020 #16
Indeed. "No, thank you" is taken as a personal attack. nt. Mariana Jan 2020 #37
The militant vegans do exist mostly on the internet and they are that way because they've seen the UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #27
Cattle ranchers MFM008 Jan 2020 #46
"I've never seen a meat-eating group do this." Mariana Jan 2020 #35
Of course I've seen those. Archae Jan 2020 #49
It is more the other way around JonLP24 Jan 2020 #56
The reason it matters is that a meat based diet is bad for the planet Blues Heron Jan 2020 #5
And all those chemicals used on our fruits and vegetables aren't hurting the environment? Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #8
Meat's worse for the planet, that's a well established fact Blues Heron Jan 2020 #10
No it is Not a well established fact that raising pigs, chickens, goats, rabbits, cattle is worse Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #13
The rabbits really aren't the problem it's the cows Blues Heron Jan 2020 #17
So it is Not meat farming you object to it's specifically cattle you object to. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #20
CFOs are terrible for the planet. safeinOhio Jan 2020 #19
Yeah, going local and knowing your farmer is the most sustainable way to go. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #22
Living out here in the middle of NM, I only eat local grass fed beef womanofthehills Jan 2020 #42
No, there is scientific research on it. It's about the greenhouse gas emissions muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #61
The problem with your studies is that they don't take into account the chemicals used to raise your Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #65
They do. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #68
Again your studies aren't complete. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #69
No, it is supported by science. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #71
Again nowhere in your links is there science supporting your diet. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #72
You are unaware of reality. Or of what the links say. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #73
You are all over the place in your arguments...so are we back to CO2 emissions? Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #74
Read links before using them. Bjorn Lomborg? Infamous climate change denier/minimiser muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #75
You should take your own advice considering you posted a worldwide diet that includes meat Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #81
No, you need to read what that "worldwide diet" is. And then read this thread. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #83
You need to read your own straw men arguments. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #84
Odd, I have lost 30 lbs on a high meat diet. SQUEE Jan 2020 #87
Good post! at140 Jan 2020 #76
+++ still_one Jan 2020 #32
The ridiculous price of beauty: FM123 Jan 2020 #2
We need more locally grown-to-market vegetables pandr32 Jan 2020 #26
Nature Cartoonist Jan 2020 #4
This is true but the it's the way we are doing it now that is the problem. The factory farm is the UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #29
I also don't like the meat industry Cartoonist Jan 2020 #36
We, the LGBTQ, go against 'nature' rusty fender Jan 2020 #43
Not necessarily Cartoonist Jan 2020 #50
There also many instances of rusty fender Jan 2020 #52
Nature has 3 categories Cartoonist Jan 2020 #54
We won't have much of a nature if factory farming continues at this pace JonLP24 Jan 2020 #58
I was referring to vegetarianism, rusty fender Jan 2020 #67
I am a Dietary mess..... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2020 #6
Exactly...You may have some Inuit or Yupik genes. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #9
53% Eastern European... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2020 #11
? Russia, Yugoslavia and the Balkans are half a world away from the Inuit muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #62
Same, all grains and most fruit gives me issues. tman Jan 2020 #18
So true. We are just starting to really scientifically study diet. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #23
Maybe grains give people issues because they are high in glyphosate/Roundup womanofthehills Jan 2020 #45
There's scientific support that grains/veggies are losing nutrients mainer Jan 2020 #7
I wouldn't blame "farmers" for loss of nutrients in plant foods... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #14
There was a Rachel Maddow episode about this FM123 Jan 2020 #39
I did 2 years on a strict whole food vegan diet. tman Jan 2020 #15
No it is not. This is pure propaganda disguised as concern for health. Claritie Pixie Jan 2020 #21
Some societies lived on only meat. Farmer-Rick Jan 2020 #24
In some parts of the world growing vegetables on a large scale isn't an option. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #31
It's as much a matter of what lives in your gut. hunter Jan 2020 #53
Exactly this! rusty fender Jan 2020 #44
True to a point evertonfc Jan 2020 #28
I'm glad the 'meat industry' is feeling threatened because more people are eating more plants. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #30
Exactly, their ag gag laws and their lawsuits prove it mucifer Jan 2020 #33
This might sort itself out by the cost of meat at the grocery store. Vinca Jan 2020 #34
Let's arm wrestle over it lame54 Jan 2020 #38
Every diet "requires a lot of knowledge and effort." hunter Jan 2020 #40
Im not a vegan. MFM008 Jan 2020 #48
Studies... Newest Reality Jan 2020 #51
Throught the entire animal kingdom... Binkie The Clown Jan 2020 #55
! Kali Jan 2020 #78
If there weren't so many people, we wouldn't need as much food of all types The_jackalope Jan 2020 #59
Yep, less meat and less sex. Dagstead Bumwood Jan 2020 #60
Birth control exists. Healthy low meat and no meat diets exist. hunter Jan 2020 #66
Less sex? Get me off that train! at140 Jan 2020 #77
No kidding. I don't even want to get near the station. Dagstead Bumwood Jan 2020 #85
I became very ill when I was vegetarian and then Meowmee Jan 2020 #70
We are omnivores... go too far either direction, there are consequences... JCMach1 Jan 2020 #79
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