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reggieandlee

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Tue Dec 31, 2019, 10:02 AM Dec 2019

BTRTN: Pelosi Reveals Her Trump Card. Now Will She Play It? [View all]

Born To Run The Numbers examines the implications of Nancy Pelosi's announcement that she is withholding the Articles of Impeachment pending the announcement of the Senate rules:

http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2019/12/btrtn-pelosi-reveals-her-trump-card-now.html

"Until last week, it seemed the Dems were bungling impeachment...Then Nancy Pelosi showed her trump card, announcing that she simply was not going to forward the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate until Mitch McConnell clarifies the rules. That one elegant move on her part could solve many of the issues that seemed problematic about the Democrats' approach to impeachment.
"...when (Pelosi) finally turned in favor of impeachment... she insisted on the narrowest possible articles of impeachment, and seemed to want to race through the process, hoping that the Senate would finish the inevitable acquittal as quickly as possible. Democrats would have been better served to follow a slower and more deliberate path, one in which a full array of articles of impeachment might have been explored and considered. As long as there continued to be new revelations and the possibility of new witnesses, there seemed to be no reason to arbitrarily call the process to an end.
"Pelosi knows that Trump cannot wait for the trial to be complete so that he can go on Fox News and hundreds of rallies and scream to the rafters that he has been “exonerated” and “vindicated,” and that he was right all along that the “Deep State” was pursuing a “coup” to undo the 2016 election. How ironic. Nancy Pelosi is holding the Trump card. If she never forwards the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate, there is no trial. No acquittal. No exoneration. No celebration... Pelosi gains many of the advantages of a 'slow impeachment,' without having to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on Congressional subpoenas. If she holds her ground, we either get a trial with witnesses, or Trump will never get his exoneration. Heads Nancy wins, tails Trumps loses."

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Brilliant! As usual redstateblues Dec 2019 #1
Dems bungled impeachment?... lame54 Dec 2019 #23
That is what JUMPED off the screen for me...sigh Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #27
Me too Mickju Jan 2020 #54
What was meant by the term "bungling..." reggieandlee Jan 2020 #58
They're still wrong lame54 Jan 2020 #59
"Until last week, it seemed the Dems were bungling impeachment.." on the contrary... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #2
THIS malaise Dec 2019 #3
i think they are dead wrong on the "strategy" of narrow articles. mopinko Dec 2019 #6
Immediately caught my eye too jmbar2 Dec 2019 #18
This is rightwing talking points and they do NOT belong here...lets hope this garbage Eliot Rosewater Dec 2019 #28
Also, this... llmart Dec 2019 #21
Exactly what you said StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #24
Because it's the party that 2naSalit Dec 2019 #37
Well,, Pelosi DIDN'T know what to do until Laurence Tribe told her StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #38
+1 2naSalit Dec 2019 #39
Tribe was not the first person to mention this. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2019 #42
Even John Dean was pushing it. soldierant Dec 2019 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Cetacea Jan 2020 #55
+1 2naSalit Dec 2019 #36
Looks to me like Pelosi pretended to bungle impeachment... backscatter712 Dec 2019 #43
heh, heh. colorful. yonder Jan 2020 #52
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2019 #44
I suspect the Intel Committee will issue new subpoenas in a few days. kentuck Dec 2019 #4
Comparing the Democratic Party and how they NoMoreRepugs Dec 2019 #5
Smart woman bdamomma Dec 2019 #7
I heard additional articles of impeachment are being considered. rainin Dec 2019 #8
Omg..hope you are right. It just killed me to hear them Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #10
I'm pretty sure it was from someone on one of the committees, rainin Dec 2019 #11
Never understood the rationale. If Senate wasn't going Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #14
I understand Nancy wanted to kep the articles narrow because she wants the Public support. Barr napi21 Dec 2019 #48
True about Barr. Yet the entire world was watching.. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #49
Several other committee's have been conducting impeachment investigations StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #25
The Asset and all his little GOP friends think they're playing Tic Tac Toe. calimary Dec 2019 #9
Already impeached, ready to be impeached again, and btw if you voters want to finish the process bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #12
Amend articles? Thought people were saying you Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #15
"people were saying" bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #16
Here it is. Guess it doesn't really matter tho Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #20
There is no process except what the house and senate set for themselves..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #22
What is your best guess as to what will happen? Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #50
I don't know who the writer is, but in the eyes of most Democrats it NEVER "seemed.... George II Dec 2019 #13
Incorrectly? We will never know because we didn't do Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #17
changed my mind... stillcool Dec 2019 #31
Quite Me. Dec 2019 #29
That's all they've got at this point StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #30
Not everyone shares your opinions. We all see things Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #40
Everyone doesn't share my opinion? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #41
Humility? Yikes...must be NY!! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #45
The "bungling impeachment talk" was mostly Republican and M$M talking points. ooky Dec 2019 #35
What was meant by "Bungling" reggieandlee Jan 2020 #57
What Pelosi is doing is probably the best bet since the Republican party has PatrickforO Dec 2019 #19
Also, traitortrump is 'the decider' for the 'cons, which gives Dems an inherent empedocles Dec 2019 #33
How were the Dems Bungling impeachment? When did the Dems ever bungle the impeachment? Lexee Dec 2019 #26
I would love to know what the author thinks was being "bungled" Takket Dec 2019 #32
The longer he withholds witnesses and documents, the guiltier he appears The Blue Flower Dec 2019 #34
her father was the Mayor of Baltimore-- Always Randy Dec 2019 #46
I'm convinced the real impeachment would come only when it is shown he laundered money... Capt. America Jan 2020 #51
That's a little optimistic. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #53
Even more brilliant, she set up Senate leaders to crow about how they'd break their oaths of ancianita Jan 2020 #56
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