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9. I don't know what the
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jul 2018

heck I am.. I know this much, though.. I will Not allow some holier than thou to label me.

I admire Politicians like President Obama who don't try to manipulate people for their own use.. he's straight up. Even though I didn't agree with him every time.

I looked at the Big Picture and knew he was the best to make PROGRESS! Not some Pot Shotters from the sidelines always Whining about the job he was doing. President Obama actually got Further than any of those who weren't doing the work.

And, I felt the same about Hillary.. she would have taken us further.



President Obama and VP Biden out there actually wanting to help people.. not trying to take down the Democratic Party
AKA to today's Republicans... a Socialist ck4829 Jul 2018 #1
I'll add that in my own 46 yrs I've seen Holiers (NADER, Greens, sweet idealists) sink us UTUSN Jul 2018 #2
I like that.. Cha Jul 2018 #7
This is confusing. theaocp Jul 2018 #21
When they vote against 'unpure democrats'. Yep. They do. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #123
So, what makes them integral? theaocp Jul 2018 #126
Wow. You come on DU and call someone disposable? GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #134
If that's how they're treated within the party, then I suppose so. theaocp Jul 2018 #138
Get real. We elect our leaders. There are no prizes for participating. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #141
What are you talking about? theaocp Jul 2018 #144
So let's replay this whole interaction GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #146
Okay, I'll give this a go. theaocp Jul 2018 #151
Now there is a word salad! GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #152
I feel it's not complex, nor deserving of such derision. theaocp Jul 2018 #153
Looks like you're not going to get any answers that make sense. Squinch Aug 2018 #159
Well, I do have to thank at least ONE "holier" from years back. Without Ross Perot running... George II Jul 2018 #150
K & R your post. Wwcd Jul 2018 #3
Good. So who are your favorite centrists? Sometimes when people are labeled as such they take JCanete Jul 2018 #4
Butting in here, *my* favorite centrists are FDR, HST, LBJ, BO. UTUSN Jul 2018 #5
hehe...so what makes somebody a centrist? If its not being so radical that you don't push an JCanete Jul 2018 #6
We Centrists are Left enough for anybody. UTUSN Jul 2018 #10
Except, maybe those that are actually left. Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2018 #56
Of all the posts in this thread, what attracted you to mine? UTUSN Jul 2018 #88
Hint. You said "centrist". Bad word to some people on here. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #129
We can offset FDR's New Deal with, say, internment camps. Orsino Jul 2018 #18
Are you suggesting centrist Democrats would tolerate internment camps? Squinch Jul 2018 #33
They're working for the same changes, but they realize they may not all happen tomorrow. Squinch Jul 2018 #31
+++++++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #63
When things are going in the other direction for 40+ years, KPN Jul 2018 #66
Kay. I'm a woman. I totally disagree that things have all been going in the other direction for Squinch Jul 2018 #93
Kay. So economic justice isn't an important issue for you KPN Aug 2018 #154
Which nobody ever said, but I hear straw men make nice decorations. Squinch Aug 2018 #158
Right. Like nobody ever said that there hasn't been KPN Aug 2018 #161
Except the person who made the blanket statement that we have been Squinch Aug 2018 #162
We have on economic issues: labor, wages, KPN Aug 2018 #163
Gosh. You're right. I should have known I was supposed Squinch Aug 2018 #164
Oh? Let me guess. That i'm a male chauvinist? KPN Aug 2018 #173
Now you're just shadow boxing. Buh bye. Squinch Aug 2018 #197
Interestingly in the last 40 years: George II Jul 2018 #127
You make my point. KPN Aug 2018 #155
Is your point that you think both parties have been the same for the last 40 years? betsuni Aug 2018 #156
No I don't think the two parties have been the same over the past 40 years. KPN Aug 2018 #160
"influenced by corporate money that they are the same" betsuni Aug 2018 #188
Oops ... As an example, KPN Aug 2018 #192
That's what I call bleeding heart liberal wryter2000 Aug 2018 #226
Here's to *us*!1 And, whew, what a relief for a nice Reply. UTUSN Aug 2018 #228
I know what you mean about dreading to see a reply wryter2000 Aug 2018 #229
Radical Centrist Philosophy Marcuse Jul 2018 #8
I don't know what the Cha Jul 2018 #9
Must be hot sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #11
Saw another poster infer joe was an "asshole" in another thread BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #13
No. Not just venom. It is a terrible blot on his record. It does us no good to pretend otherwise. Squinch Jul 2018 #34
And it does us good to live in 1991? BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #37
Did anyone say their opinion was based solely on that? I must have missed that. Squinch Jul 2018 #39
No they said he's not a viable candidate for POTUS in '20, because too many women can't get behind bettyellen Jul 2018 #58
I don't think you're wrong. He seems to me like a well meaning person, Squinch Jul 2018 #82
People beat Hillary up over the Crime Bill, which was just a couple of years after Anita Hill EffieBlack Jul 2018 #49
And who is applying it. KPN Jul 2018 #67
You said it all right. Hortensis Jul 2018 #70
If Joe runs the videos of Joe attacking Anita Hill comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #50
That and his record being so very cozy w banks. I'm hoping for young blood myself. bettyellen Jul 2018 #59
yeah I bet you are BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #61
You've got me completely wrong, yet again. I don't support anyone who already ran for president or bettyellen Jul 2018 #62
Yes you are -- if my local Democratic Party organization KPN Jul 2018 #68
You've classified bettyellen as a bro? Squinch Jul 2018 #83
If it wasn't such divisive bullshit I'd laugh! bettyellen Jul 2018 #91
It is really funny! Squinch Jul 2018 #92
bettyellen is Not that person. Cha Jul 2018 #108
TAMMY DUCKWORTH! Squinch Jul 2018 #84
1991 called and wants its news back BannonsLiver Jul 2018 #60
So the past doesn't matter unless we are taling about the Clintons? comradebillyboy Jul 2018 #64
Divisive attacks on fellow DUers. Nice going there. bettyellen Jul 2018 #72
It's not hate. It's realism. He has a good deal of baggage - real baggage, not Squinch Jul 2018 #87
Right. We must have PERFECTION, dammit. RandomAccess Jul 2018 #111
No, nothing like perfection. But we probably shouldn't go with Squinch Jul 2018 #112
Then you'd also be against Hillary running again?? RandomAccess Jul 2018 #115
How did she do when she ran? She kicked ass. So the issue is not the same. Squinch Jul 2018 #116
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #119
Oh, just stop. Squinch Jul 2018 #120
Just for the record, Squinch Jul 2018 #148
I watched the hearings wryter2000 Aug 2018 #227
This! mcar Jul 2018 #35
I know.. the dead enders.. Cha Jul 2018 #137
++ nt heaven05 Jul 2018 #86
Well said! tonyt53 Jul 2018 #130
I'm with you. sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #12
Amen to that, George! demosincebirth Jul 2018 #14
Well said. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #15
Pragmatism ONLY works when all sides are pragmatic. If one side is not, pragmatists lose every time TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #16
And people who are unwilling to compromise will also lose dansolo Jul 2018 #17
True. But when you start form a position where you have nothing to barter, you've already lost. TheBlackAdder Jul 2018 #25
Absolutely agree.... bunny planet Jul 2018 #29
Ditto. KPN Jul 2018 #69
Exactly. KPN Jul 2018 #71
That's fine. When it works Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #19
Oh brother. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #20
Could this be more simply stated as, "clap louder"? theaocp Jul 2018 #22
Enjoy dining on the pride and vanity. Mmmm... so tasty! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #23
Okay. Thanks for treating DU like Twitter. theaocp Jul 2018 #24
Wait...what? lapucelle Jul 2018 #41
. Squinch Jul 2018 #44
"Thanks for treating DU like Twitter." --- Umm, okay-y-y-y? You're welcome? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #101
If you are projecting... LanternWaste Aug 2018 #202
... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #215
All you have are insults, theaocp. Cha Aug 2018 #209
That tells me... NurseJackie Aug 2018 #212
Very much so. Cha Aug 2018 #213
Then you'll provide a valid means of achieving all stated Democratic goals this year, yes? LanternWaste Aug 2018 #204
I said nothing about "all or nothing" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #73
Doesn't matter. Your meaning was clear... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #75
I don't think you're stupid Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #80
"but that was a dumb interpretation of what I said" -- How charming. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #97
You call that an insult? Seriously Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #105
Again, Tom... I'm NOT as stupid as you're treating me. Stop it! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #165
I didn't choose the adjective "dumb" for the reasons you think Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #171
I was "triggered by word association...because I enjoy crafting word play lapucelle Aug 2018 #186
I did write that I didn't think NJ was stipid. On two posts Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #196
+1000 ehrnst Aug 2018 #172
Look what Tom Rinaldo decided to message me: ehrnst Aug 2018 #174
I'm fine in the kitchen Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #176
The "foolish assumption" on your part was not that I ehrnst Aug 2018 #177
You read too much into what I said Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #178
" through PM where you wouldn't run the risk of running afoul of any any DU rules. " ehrnst Aug 2018 #180
P.S. Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #179
I think you were trying to avoid being alerted by PM'ing me. ehrnst Aug 2018 #181
I know you are wrong but you are free to believe that I am lying to you. Tom Rinaldo Aug 2018 #182
Great post NJ Gothmog Aug 2018 #175
Ms. NurseJackie. You hit the nail on the head with your astute Bernie pickup GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #132
Thank you! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #135
Strange isn't it? I've lately noticed I'll post one thing and someone Autumn Jul 2018 #121
That's why I always proofread and spell-check. NurseJackie Aug 2018 #166
Yep I see you do that. Autumn Aug 2018 #167
Yup. n/t progressoid Jul 2018 #36
So "centrists" are merely "less extreme rightists" at this point in the discourse? lapucelle Jul 2018 #42
The shifts I have been concerned about deal with issues such as the respective roles Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #74
I would recommend that anyone concerned about such "shifts" lapucelle Jul 2018 #76
It was a good platform Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #81
That it was, and that they did. lapucelle Jul 2018 #89
Your caveat makes the point that democracy REQUIRES Hortensis Jul 2018 #85
Lest it be forgot, the far left California presidential candidate in 2012 was . . . ucrdem Jul 2018 #26
The farther one moves from the center, the higher the level of narcissism IMO. Trust Buster Jul 2018 #27
Boom! True! This! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #38
And the further one is on the fringes of the spectrum, lapucelle Jul 2018 #40
MLK said about the centrist: Fiendish Thingy Jul 2018 #28
A great human being, Rev. King. saidsimplesimon Jul 2018 #54
That's what I thought of too. /nt tonedevil Jul 2018 #103
I think I actually looked up this image today, too. theaocp Jul 2018 #140
Given the mobility of the center Harker Jul 2018 #30
Yes I have. The "center" is only a vague description of the majority of Americans and... George II Jul 2018 #45
Thanks! Harker Jul 2018 #46
I consider myself a liberal Democrat mcar Jul 2018 #32
With you. Skidmore Jul 2018 #53
What does that even mean? progressoid Jul 2018 #43
I see a lot in Chicago. They are the old Reagan Democrats. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #57
I rarely talk politics with clients but after a few years one started to bring up the subject progressoid Jul 2018 #77
Reagan Democrats? I find that very very offensive. Carry on, carry on. George II Jul 2018 #94
Agreed. It's just as offensive as that divisive sig-line cartoon... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #98
Some seem to like scouring the internet to find offensive and/or violent graphics... George II Jul 2018 #99
It's argument from an atypical sample, a fairly common flaw in reasoning. lapucelle Jul 2018 #124
I caught that too mcar Jul 2018 #125
#metoo JustAnotherGen Aug 2018 #184
Yes, you've "done your time" and walked the walk, rather than simply being a keyboard Democrat.... George II Aug 2018 #206
Amen! MountCleaners Jul 2018 #96
Oh you Poor Thing.. ALL you have are INSULTS In your SIG LINE Cha Jul 2018 #104
Why are the donkeys wearing Hillary buttons? This is 2018. lapucelle Jul 2018 #106
Exactly, lapucelle! The only reason to draw something like that Cha Jul 2018 #109
I see a lot of rabid "anti-centrists" around ehrnst Aug 2018 #183
I'm sure you'll pretend your sample is valid. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #205
name some policy positions that you represent/support as a centrist bigtree Jul 2018 #47
You can start here: George II Jul 2018 #95
Bazinga! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #122
that's a predictable deflection bigtree Jul 2018 #131
That chart is exactly my point - if you add up the % of all those who consider themselves.... George II Jul 2018 #139
just tell us what issues you support bigtree Jul 2018 #145
Let's see now, how about Russia sanctions? Sure if I was in the Senate at the time... George II Jul 2018 #147
I didn't think you'd be straight with me bigtree Aug 2018 #170
I don't make policy, but I support Democratic candidates and office holders.... George II Aug 2018 #207
we know the role of centrist legislators in our party bigtree Aug 2018 #216
Absolutely. Well said! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #218
Damn Bigtree, you are not playing games! Lordquinton Aug 2018 #219
THIS! and it should be its own OP (nt) NeoGreen Aug 2018 #230
Uh, wut? progressoid Aug 2018 #157
Uh, wut? George II Aug 2018 #169
When asked to name some policy positions that you represent/support as a centrist, you said to start progressoid Aug 2018 #194
"So everything in the platform is centrist?" Illogical projection. No, but I agree with.... George II Aug 2018 #211
You agree with just about everything in the platform, center/left/far left. progressoid Aug 2018 #220
Whatev' George II Aug 2018 #221
Hahaha. So your proud declaration and this entire thread was meaningless. progressoid Aug 2018 #222
No, but your attempt at boiling it down to black/white, up/down, left/right, etc. is. George II Aug 2018 #223
No boil down. Just trying to understand "What does that even mean?" progressoid Aug 2018 #224
Thanks for the reminder to update my signature George II Aug 2018 #225
Your butt's not sore from setting on that fence all these years? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #48
What? mcar Jul 2018 #128
I live in Texas and I am good and proud democrat Gothmog Jul 2018 #51
I am left-center. Been there since high school. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #52
The center has shifted a lot in 46 years. CrispyQ Jul 2018 #55
Yep. That's been going on for a long time. progressoid Jul 2018 #78
If Obama were just an icon, wouldn't he be wearing a donkey button lapucelle Jul 2018 #107
That's why it's best to rely on detailed, criteria-based empirical evidence lapucelle Jul 2018 #110
I love these things! Squinch Jul 2018 #113
I learned about the website OnTheIssues.org from a highschool social studies teacher lapucelle Jul 2018 #117
How do you define centrist? Labels without KPN Jul 2018 #65
Center, Left, all the way left. You are a Democrat and no distinct should need to be made. Afromania Jul 2018 #79
Amen! Thank you. George II Jul 2018 #100
BINGO!!! What the hell does it matter as long as they vote Dem????? tonyt53 Jul 2018 #136
I used to call myself a left of center Democrat. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #90
I personally believe in facts, data, and history.... vi5 Jul 2018 #102
No one is "peppering our goals with bits and pieces of the other side." Squinch Jul 2018 #118
I am impressed KentuckyWoman Jul 2018 #114
I, on the other hand, am a RADICAL LEFTIST! dchill Jul 2018 #133
I hate to break it to you, but ehrnst Aug 2018 #185
"when it comes to the GOP platform..." dchill Aug 2018 #187
Any centrist Democrat is a "radical leftist" when it comes to the GOP. ehrnst Aug 2018 #189
Relative. To a person making $8.50 an hour... dchill Aug 2018 #190
That's what "accessible" and "affordable" means. ehrnst Aug 2018 #191
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #142
"But I'm sure that's all the fault of the people that haven't been running the party." betsuni Jul 2018 #149
I'm far left in theory.. left of center voting because I'm realistic nini Jul 2018 #143
Well said. Adrahil Aug 2018 #214
Bold Position! RandiFan1290 Aug 2018 #168
Not me, I am as far left as you can get, I am however also not a complete idiot Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #193
Perfect! What Eliot said! Squinch Aug 2018 #198
We are in the same page exactly nt Quixote1818 Aug 2018 #203
Hi, first time poster, long time lurker! PrairieBlueCat Aug 2018 #195
+1,000,000 George II Aug 2018 #199
Doug Jones. PrairieBlueCat Aug 2018 #200
One thing I've been saying for months (started during the Conor Lamb "impure" campaign)... George II Aug 2018 #201
Are you a Canadian???? nt LAS14 Aug 2018 #208
I was born in NYC and have lived my entire 70 years (except for 6 mos. in Ohio) in NY, NJ, and CT. George II Aug 2018 #210
Then why the Canadian flag icon? nt LAS14 Aug 2018 #231
So, did "centrist Democrat" mean the same thing 46 years ago, or have you changed your positions? Garrett78 Aug 2018 #217
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