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Cha

(295,929 posts)
59. They can't debate on the facts so
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 04:19 AM
Jul 2018

they try to marginalize the messenger.

Not noticing.. it NEVER WORKS.





Obama vs. Sanders... [View all] brooklynite Jul 2018 OP
so much for masturbation...obama can not run dembotoz Jul 2018 #1
The question wasn't: Do you prefer Obama vs Sanders... brooklynite Jul 2018 #2
Exactly. Thank you. NT Adrahil Jul 2018 #27
Masturbation... No relevance to reality u get who runs dembotoz Jul 2018 #68
Make sure you read the OP correctly before you bring up "masturbation" Cha Jul 2018 #4
Lol sheshe2 Jul 2018 #28
Hahaha! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #70
Totally Unnecessay Description Me. Jul 2018 #104
Shows how pissed he was that President Obama Cha Jul 2018 #114
Your first sentence knocked it out of the park. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #67
Eric Holder n/t handmade34 Jul 2018 #3
Good! Glad the majority Cha Jul 2018 #5
+++++Exactly, Cha. nt R B Garr Jul 2018 #16
LOL@Tweet found on thread.. Cha Jul 2018 #50
I Am Unanimous In Approving Your Opinion Me. Jul 2018 #105
And, why wouldn't we?.. Cha Jul 2018 #115
what does that question even mean? dsc Jul 2018 #6
Come on qazplm135 Jul 2018 #7
Or maybe some what a younger candidate dsc Jul 2018 #14
yeah qazplm135 Jul 2018 #39
No, it means the Majority prefer someone Cha Jul 2018 #17
Exactly. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #31
From the Get Go, she. An amazing accomplishment Cha Jul 2018 #36
Mahalo for this, Cha pandr32 Jul 2018 #34
Aloha, pandr! How's the Big Island, Cha Jul 2018 #38
A little hazy on the West side pandr32 Jul 2018 #137
I prefer a Democratic Party registered Democrat who mirrors the sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #56
Absolutely correct Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #65
You can say that about ANY poll EffieBlack Jul 2018 #22
It was a badly written question to be honest dsc Jul 2018 #23
Boom! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #32
Link to poll: sl8 Jul 2018 #8
Among Independents it's an even split oberliner Jul 2018 #9
Liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like over Sanders-like. Conservatives prefer Sanders-like. lapucelle Jul 2018 #72
Actually the conservatives are saying they want the Democrats to run someone like Sanders oberliner Jul 2018 #74
Then the presumption would also be that liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like lapucelle Jul 2018 #81
If you were asked, would you prefer the Republicans run a candidate who is Trump-like or Bush-like.. oberliner Jul 2018 #84
If the question were, "Do you prefer a Trump-like candidate or a Bush-like candidate" lapucelle Jul 2018 #91
I don't think it's wise to make generalizations based on presumptions. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #124
It could be that given a choice of two "Democrats" (one Democrat, one Independent).... George II Jul 2018 #88
That's an intersestng argument for closed primaries. lapucelle Jul 2018 #123
Then the presumption would also be that liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like Cha Jul 2018 #122
Inferences based on personal presumptions are problematic at best. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #126
Interesting. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #79
"Liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like over Sanders-like. Conservatives prefer Sanders-like" George II Jul 2018 #125
But the "not sure" is almost double of either, showing the relative involvement of "Independents". George II Jul 2018 #87
I'm a Democrat who prefers Democrats musette_sf Jul 2018 #10
Me too shenmue Jul 2018 #53
Obama is a uniquely exceptional individual who is beloved for all kinds of justified reasons in JCanete Jul 2018 #11
President Obama was an excellent President who accomplished Cha Jul 2018 #19
The power of the one percent, which extends across party identity is a big fucking deal. Sorry you JCanete Jul 2018 #42
BS is Wrong.. sorry you can't see it. BS votes with the Cha Jul 2018 #44
how is he wrong about money's influence in politics? About its stranglehold on so much of our JCanete Jul 2018 #46
I don't expect you to know that.. but I can tell you Cha Jul 2018 #47
I saw likeminded people take issue with his post...and? nt JCanete Jul 2018 #49
Again someone calling you naive. betsuni Jul 2018 #57
They can't debate on the facts so Cha Jul 2018 #59
It's remarkable that anyone who erroneously concludes that lapucelle Jul 2018 #73
It should be remarkable instead Cha Jul 2018 #112
... lapucelle Jul 2018 #117
He blocked a pathway to citizenship for economic reasons. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #69
What bill are you referring to? I'll revisit it and get back to you. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #103
It was an amendment to the 2007 Immigration Reform Bill ehrnst Jul 2018 #109
Bernie's Our Revolution is a 501c4, which is not required to disclose its donors. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #94
Which is why he lost so many good people working at OR at the start. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #110
Wow.. and they have the nerve Cha Jul 2018 #113
The "other poll" says that people prefer candidates like BS over candidates like Trump. lapucelle Jul 2018 #71
What question are you looking at? sl8 Jul 2018 #89
Look at question 86 dansolo Jul 2018 #90
Questions 86 and 87. lapucelle Jul 2018 #92
OK, thanks. n/t sl8 Jul 2018 #95
As far as I can tell that isn't how those two questions interact. The results wouldn't even make JCanete Jul 2018 #98
Strawman much? ehrnst Jul 2018 #78
Its not a strawman, we've had enough conversations. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #99
You apparently weren't referring to this one for sure. nt ehrnst Jul 2018 #107
"The power of the one percent" betsuni Jul 2018 #80
yeah, so funny. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #97
"Sanders and his direction IS appreciated by democrats.....", but not all Democrats or, given... George II Jul 2018 #86
where do we know that from? What are you citing? The binary poll of Obama vs Sanders? That JCanete Jul 2018 #101
Where do we know what? I didn't make any definitive comments. George II Jul 2018 #108
That isn't how the questions were laid out in the prefer sanders poll. It wasn't "Trump"or Sanders" JCanete Jul 2018 #111
I never said "Trump or Sanders", but look at the pie chart in the OP. George II Jul 2018 #121
Obama was moderate on policy, because that is what he could get done. Adrahil Jul 2018 #30
Well that's what he could get done with his own party. He had an option to try to use the JCanete Jul 2018 #41
This magical bully pulpit does not exist treestar Jul 2018 #120
money bullies people into policies...so yeah, we need to counter-balance that. Support our JCanete Jul 2018 #129
+1000 ehrnst Jul 2018 #76
That poll you cite doesn't say "the opposite". lapucelle Jul 2018 #66
where do you see that question phrased the way you state? 86 and 87 don't exist the way you JCanete Jul 2018 #100
Why would it have to be a single question? lapucelle Jul 2018 #116
I didn't say one refutes the other. I said that the poll in the op is not about the direction of the JCanete Jul 2018 #118
HL Menken cautioned, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." lapucelle Jul 2018 #119
I agree with you, I also drew some conclusions that weren't warranted. I do think the former poll, JCanete Jul 2018 #132
Well, surprise surprise. nt WhiteTara Jul 2018 #12
By a large margin, as well mcar Jul 2018 #13
Do you think the results would be the same with HRC instead of Obama listed? oberliner Jul 2018 #18
Probably not quite the same but similar. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #45
The 2016 primary made this abundantly clear. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #15
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #20
.. Cha Jul 2018 #25
They probably aren't anti-semites either dansolo Jul 2018 #60
Oh yeah! Cha Jul 2018 #24
At a townhall following the election, he downplayed the role of racism to an even greater extent. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #29
And, he still doesn't admit it.. doesn't Cha Jul 2018 #35
While I'm sympathetic to what too many dismiss as "far left" positions... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #40
+++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #33
Well said! mcar Jul 2018 #77
Good for both of them Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #21
I'd lke to see poll of Twitter dwellers. RandySF Jul 2018 #26
K&R betsuni Jul 2018 #37
It's a delightfully vague phrasing Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #43
It's not so hard to figure out. Cha Jul 2018 #48
Too vague a Q / it need not be about politics at all!!! flor-de-jasmim Jul 2018 #51
I think Kamala Harris would govern similarly to Obama True_Blue Jul 2018 #52
She is my choice. sellitman Jul 2018 #83
I agree. H2O Man Jul 2018 #106
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #54
That is quite okay with me. I love Obama. rusty quoin Jul 2018 #55
I want the Obama status quo back, please. betsuni Jul 2018 #58
Yes! President Obama was getting important Cha Jul 2018 #136
I'm not surprised at Obama polling substantially higher than Sanders True Dough Jul 2018 #61
Would you like a candidate GaryCnf Jul 2018 #62
I don't think bernie Maxheader Jul 2018 #63
No shock there. One is the complete package. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #64
Two of America's most beloved politicians today. jalan48 Jul 2018 #75
I support President Obama over sanders Gothmog Jul 2018 #82
To be honest, not directed toward you, that's a really stupid question. I never could understand... George II Jul 2018 #85
ya know, i bet if we looked around a bit, we could find a candidate who does both 0rganism Jul 2018 #93
Bernie had his shot. Orsino Jul 2018 #96
Simple math: H2O Man Jul 2018 #102
Bernie: Age 76. Barack: Age 56 James48 Jul 2018 #127
Just No.. I do Not want him for potus. Cha Aug 2018 #138
I'd like for the candidates to have Legitimate President Obama's charisma. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #128
Do Not try to marginalize President Obama with Cha Jul 2018 #130
I'm not marginalizing him at all. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #133
Bull. President is so much more than Cha Jul 2018 #134
Did I say those were his ONLY assets? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #135
We want a WINNER. Obama is a winner. McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #131
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