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Celerity

(42,637 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:35 AM Feb 2020

Kevin Sheekey just admitted there is a real possibility Sanders basically wraps up a win on ST

(Bloomberg campaign manager)

Just laid it out on live on MSNBC. He said CA alone could grow Sanders's lead to such an extent it makes it almost impossible to catch him based off other ST results and the remaining states after ST.

I am not liking this at all.

We are headed down a path toward possibly losing the House if this continues. Forget the Senate.

Assuming Bloomberg drops back just a wee a bit, and if the falloffs are split amongst all the other candidates and not clustered to just one, that could put Bernie as the only candidate to hit 15%, and thus, if that happened, he would get all 415 delegates. Just my state of birth alone could give Bernie 21% of the 1990 he needs to wrap up the nomination on the first ballot.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Kevin Sheekey just admitted there is a real possibility Sanders basically wraps up a win on ST (Original Post) Celerity Feb 2020 OP
Just shoot me now. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #1
We need more emphasis on House and Senate races. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #4
I disagree... myohmy2 Feb 2020 #8
We will have to agree to disagree. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #9
If Warren drops out (Klobuchar will be gone by then, she is dead last in most state and national Celerity Feb 2020 #11
After last night I really don't think Warren will drop out. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #12
We're fucked. Codeine Feb 2020 #2
I can't do this for another 4 years. Squinch Feb 2020 #3
Democrats shouldn't let non-Democrats run in their Primary. Pretty simple. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #5
If Sanders is the nominee, how about working your ass off for him instead of throwing in the towel? LonePirate Feb 2020 #6
If Sanders is the nominee, Trump wins re-election, we lose the House, and the GOP gets a larger highplainsdem Feb 2020 #7
That is how it looks to me also Peacetrain Feb 2020 #10
I think it's going to be a brokered convention. showblue22 Feb 2020 #13
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
1. Just shoot me now.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:37 AM
Feb 2020

We are so fucked if it's Sanders.

Although I guess if millions of people were willing to buy Trump's snake oil, even more millions might be persuaded to buy Bernie's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,021 posts)
4. We need more emphasis on House and Senate races.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
8. I disagree...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:57 AM
Feb 2020

...we'll be 'fucked' if we play it 'safe' again...

...we need the strongest most credible anti-trump we can find to beat el-trumpo in the Fall...

...and that's Bernie...

...Bernie can and will crush trump...guaranteed

...I can feel it...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
9. We will have to agree to disagree.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:59 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie will crash and burn in the more conservative swing states where a strong candidate is needed most.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,637 posts)
11. If Warren drops out (Klobuchar will be gone by then, she is dead last in most state and national
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:02 AM
Feb 2020

polls for candidates in last night's debate) enough of her support will go to Bernie to further boost him closer. Even 5% (if she is at 10%, I am saying he could get half of that from her) pushes him closer and closer.

Also, the bandwagon effect will start to kick in, and an air of inevitability will drive voters to Sanders as well.

There is almost no way that the 4 moderates to centre left (Biden, Pete, Bloomberg (who may now fall back after hsi bloodbath) and Klobuchar) candidates will have one emerge from the pack in time unless most or all of the following happened:

1 Klobuchar immediately drops out before NV but especially SC. Will never happen. She won't before SC I fear and possibly will not until after ST. She has no path to win, and can only help to add to Bernies chances as she takes from all the other moderates.

2 Pete immediately drops out or drops before ST. See Klobuchar and also factor in he is leading in delegates and has a shit tonne of money atm. He will not do it. He has a far better case to make than Amy.

3 Either (cannot be both) Biden or Bloomberg (who will need a massive rebound debate to do so) explodes into being the clear front runner moderate.

4 Warren hangs in there are keeps Bernie tamped down, even if it only marginally.


Assuming Number 3 above is Biden, he SO SO has to have a monster debate and come in a solid 2nd (first would be better yet) in NV and serious THUMP all and especially Bernie, in SC by a big, big margin.

Then you are back to a (hopefully) 2 person race, as either Biden or Bloomberg (if Bloomberg is that Number 3) would drop out post ST (we can hope). Pete and Amy exit after ST unless somehow Pete pulls a miracle and bcome the number 3.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
12. After last night I really don't think Warren will drop out.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:05 AM
Feb 2020

And I really don't get why people who want a so-called progressive candidate would pick a shouty old grouch with a heart condition who hasn't had a new idea on 40 years over a brilliant woman like Warren. Maybe it's really true, sadly, that - as someone here said - XY marks the spot.

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Codeine

(25,586 posts)
2. We're fucked.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:39 AM
Feb 2020

Fucking depressing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Squinch

(50,773 posts)
3. I can't do this for another 4 years.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:41 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
5. Democrats shouldn't let non-Democrats run in their Primary. Pretty simple.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020

We should have learned that lesson in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
6. If Sanders is the nominee, how about working your ass off for him instead of throwing in the towel?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:48 AM
Feb 2020

He has clearly inspired a very large and loyal following. How about joining them instead of sulking because your preferred candidate loses out to him?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,718 posts)
7. If Sanders is the nominee, Trump wins re-election, we lose the House, and the GOP gets a larger
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:52 AM
Feb 2020

Senate majority.

And the Democratic Party gets tarred as socialist for a few elections to come, with every old video clip of Sanders saying foolish things run in ads against Democrats.

While Sanders will likely blame Democrats for his loss and do his best to convince his supporters to also blame Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
10. That is how it looks to me also
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:00 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

showblue22

(1,026 posts)
13. I think it's going to be a brokered convention.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 11:07 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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