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Celerity

(43,321 posts)
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:25 PM Feb 2020

Bernie Sanders, answer why your presidential campaign even needs a dark money group



https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/todaysdebate/2020/02/02/bernie-sanders-campaign-dark-money-our-revolution-editorials-debates/4556051002/

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Sanders founded Our Revolution

This year brings a new chapter in the story. Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., has created, and is the beneficiary of, a new kind of dark money group called Our Revolution.

OUR REVOLUTION: Our mission is much more than electing Bernie Sanders

What makes Our Revolution different is that it is designed to advance Sanders’ cause against other Democrats in the primaries, rather than against a Republican in a general election. It’s one thing to say you have to play the dark money game because the other side surely will. It is quite another to be first off the mark in bringing its corrosive powers into a new area.

Sanders has long been a big critic of money in politics, often criticizing political action committees and the candidates who benefit from them. To then go out and found a group like Our Revolution is hypocritical.

Before and after Iowa caucuses
Our Revolution claims to voluntarily report all donors who give more than $250. But it doesn't file documents with any agency, provide identifying information about individuals or specify how much they gave.

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more background



Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns

Bernie Sanders says he doesn’t want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.

https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604

WASHINGTON (AP)

Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesn’t have to disclose its donors — a stream of revenue commonly referred to as “dark money.”

Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders’ 2020 bid.

A debate over big money in politics has riven the Democratic primary with Sanders and fellow progressive, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, leading the attack on rivals including former Vice President Joe Biden and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who have relied on big-dollar donors.

But while Warren has come under fire for courting wealthy financiers in her past Senate campaigns, Sanders and Our Revolution have largely avoided scrutiny during the primary, even as he has accelerated his criticism of others, among them Biden, for relying on super PACs founded by their allies.

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Bernie Sanders, answer why your presidential campaign even needs a dark money group (Original Post) Celerity Feb 2020 OP
Do as I say, not as I do. New campaign slogan perhaps? still_one Feb 2020 #1
Yep. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #4
How's Sweden? bluewater Feb 2020 #2
What are you asking here? sheshe2 Feb 2020 #7
I am a US citizen by birth, in Los Angeles, but grew up in London mostly Celerity Feb 2020 #11
They/Posters do that a lot. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #12
well, not nice if that was what was going on, but I take no real offence Celerity Feb 2020 #14
um, You mentioned in a post a day or so ago that you were currently in Sweden bluewater Feb 2020 #15
Oh, it is all good! Celerity Feb 2020 #17
Oh, please, no one is dissing anyone. bluewater Feb 2020 #16
Stockholm, Celerity Feb 2020 #10
Pete should have responded to Sanders squirecam Feb 2020 #3
I tweeted the Common Cause link to Pete and Chas. I was surprised they didn't use it. octoberlib Feb 2020 #9
AP, Common Cause, and now USA Today... lapucelle Feb 2020 #5
Aside from Our Revolution (remember, Nina Turner was it's President until sometime in 2019).... George II Feb 2020 #6
Why is he hiding his donors? Are they Republicans? octoberlib Feb 2020 #8
K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #13
KR Cha Feb 2020 #18
 

still_one

(92,138 posts)
1. Do as I say, not as I do. New campaign slogan perhaps?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:27 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
2. How's Sweden?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:27 PM
Feb 2020

Which part of the country are you currently in?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
7. What are you asking here?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:43 PM
Feb 2020
bluewater
2. How's Sweden?

Which part of the country are you currently in?


So you are saying...
They are not a US citizen? You know that for a fact? You seem to doubt their facts and frankly attack them. We have many posters, US citizens that do not live here. We have others that are not and I love their imput.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Celerity

(43,321 posts)
11. I am a US citizen by birth, in Los Angeles, but grew up in London mostly
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:00 PM
Feb 2020

I have always been open about my background since I joined, so they probably knew about the Sweden part

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sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
12. They/Posters do that a lot.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:11 PM
Feb 2020

Diss people that do not live here that they
have no right to an opinion when in fact they are citizens.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Celerity

(43,321 posts)
14. well, not nice if that was what was going on, but I take no real offence
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:24 PM
Feb 2020

I did live in the US for several years as an adult, I have travelled extensively there, plus I am a political junkie of some sorts, so feel up to the task of contributing here overall. Trump is a global threat, as is the entire Republican party, so waters edge with an ocean between is not a true barrier to the negative impacts, unfortunately.

Nice little corridor of tension if things go pear shaped with Russia and the Baltics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
15. um, You mentioned in a post a day or so ago that you were currently in Sweden
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:27 AM
Feb 2020

I was just curious about what part of the country you were in, I have friends in Gothenburg.

I don't know why that other poster went off the deep end about me asking.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Celerity

(43,321 posts)
17. Oh, it is all good!
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:30 AM
Feb 2020

Hugz

If I were to vote in a presidential
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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
16. Oh, please, no one is dissing anyone.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:28 AM
Feb 2020

Where did you get that from?



They mentioned they were currently living in Sweden in a previous post, and I just asked what part of the country they were currently in.

Pardon me for wanting to discuss places I like learning more about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,321 posts)
10. Stockholm,
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:57 PM
Feb 2020

Södermalm atm to be more precise

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
3. Pete should have responded to Sanders
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:28 PM
Feb 2020

When he made the 40 billionaires attack with this info.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
9. I tweeted the Common Cause link to Pete and Chas. I was surprised they didn't use it.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:50 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie was just on CNN bragging to Jake Tapper that Our Revolution doesn't take money from billionaires. Well, how would anybody really know since Sanders hides the donors in violation of campaign finance law?


https://www.commoncause.org/resource/common-cause-v-our-revolution-soft-money-violation/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
5. AP, Common Cause, and now USA Today...
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:35 PM
Feb 2020

let the vetting begin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Aside from Our Revolution (remember, Nina Turner was it's President until sometime in 2019)....
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:40 PM
Feb 2020

....he has several other national organizations that are openly supporting him:

Justice Democrats (PAC)
Sunshine Movement
Democratic Socialists of America (PAC)
People's Action (Super PAC)
Center for Popular Democracy (Independent Expenditure group)
National Nurses United (Super PAC)
Friends of the Earth (Independent Expenditure group)

Plus, his campaign hasn't disclosed the names, locations, or other data for 70% of his contributions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
8. Why is he hiding his donors? Are they Republicans?
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:46 PM
Feb 2020

Gabbard was caught at a fundraiser Republican donors held for her. Our Revolution's also not allowed to accept more than $5000 from any one donor and Sanders is accepting hundreds of thousands. Same thing the Trump campaign got in trouble over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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