Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders defends Trump voters: I don't think they're racists, sexists or homophobes
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racistsVermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) on Friday defended voters of President Trump, saying that the election was Democrats' to lose and that the party needs to better represent the working-class voters who supported Trump and other GOP lawmakers
"Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don't agree, because I've been there.
Let me tell you something else some of you might not agree with, it wasn't that Donald Trump won the election, it was that the Democratic Party lost the election," Sanders said while speaking at an Our Revolution rally in Boston with fellow Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).
Sanders went on to say that a "fundamental restructuring of the Democratic party" was needed to win future elections and that problems with party's current setup is why many were quick to support Trump in the election, not because of some of the rhetoric on the campaign trail.
"We need a Democratic Party that is not a party of the liberal elite but of the working class of this country, we need a party that is a grassroots party, where candidates are talking to working people not spending their time raising money for the wealthy and the powerful," Sanders said. "And when we do that, when we transform the Democratic Party, we transform America."
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Many of us know people in our personal lives who fit this bill exactly and who are enthusiastic trump supporters. Sorry Bernie, gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
You don't believe there are Trump supporters who are racists, sexists and homophobes? It's one thing to support your candidate. It's another to believe every word that tumbles out of his mouth. You don't know any Trump supporters who are racists, good for you. Unfortunately, many of us have encountered them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)But hey, maybe I'm alone in that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Still, I'm not sure it's possible to quantify exactly how many Trump voters are racist, and how many of them are worried about their "economic anxieties". But either way it's more than zero which is what Bernie thinks, apparently.
But it's really neat you're so enthusiastic about trump supporters as people, and more importantly, giving trump supporters the benefit of the doubt. You have more faith than I do in trump supporters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Its right there in the OP. He doesnt qualify it with some arent he just says they arent. So theres your link. I know its not Common Dreams, but you should give it a read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)you seem fixated on receiving it from others.
I get it... sometimes it's just easier to hold people to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to. Convenient, in fact. So I certainly understand, if not empathize with why you do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,090 posts)40%. A different 40% are Democrats. The final 20% voted for Trump, but I don't think she is a racist. So within that small group of Trump voters that means 67& are racist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)is racism.
I would say 90% of rump voters are racist.
That is it for me, if I have to treat comments like that on Democratic underground as if they are from a Democrat, I am done.
they win
say hello to 4 more years of putin
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)And I agree with your assessment. But I guess for some every word that tumbles out of the candidates mouth is a golden nugget of truth that can never be questioned or disputed in any way. Where have I seen that before?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OAITW r.2.0
(24,446 posts)Feels like there is going to be a major confrontation between the Trumpists and the truth. Which side are you on?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I live in Tennessee and many if not all of my friends and family voted for trump. I think it's quite tasteless assume they are racist homophobes cause I can tell you I know that isn't true. They may be misguided though lol
Sanders is correct and even though this article was dug up from years past just to continue the smear assault, it shows he has more class and common sense than other politicians who chose to attack voters instead of listen to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)And at no point did i say they ALL were.
On edit: Has the forum gone 'round the bend to the point where we're defending Trump voters?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)between defending Trump voters, and recognizing that Sen. Sanders doesn't want to demonize Americans that he disagrees with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And if they don't like it being viewed as such, they need to get over it. It is what it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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I think it is tasteless to support a pussy grabber, liar and cheat.
I think it is tasteless to support Russia over the USA.
I think it is tasteless to crudely mock a disabled reporter.
I think it is tasteless to mock a young girl, Greta on climate change. Who the hell mocks a child, perhaps because she is brighter and more articulate than he will ever be.
I think it is tasteless to support a man that denies our Constitution which is the law of the land.
Much. Much more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)Anyone who STILL supports the Orange POS is indeed tasteless, a racist or homophobe or all three. That is true no matter what political affiliation those people pay lip service to.
I am not sure what planet Bernie or anyone else who can say that they aren't lives on.
But it is definitely NOT the one where I live.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)POS if they are STILL with Drump. Period. Next
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)I know too many Trump voters, including ones in my family and ones in the family of my significant other. These are not all terrible people. Most dislike Trump. But they disliked Hillary more.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,394 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IADEMO2004
(5,554 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,298 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Botany
(70,483 posts)n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Botany
(70,483 posts)That was no mistake. It was a call out to Trump's racist base because that area is the home
of the KKK in OH and some of those arrested for acts in Charlottesville, VA were from that area
and or had links to that area.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Do you want them to do so again?
Not all of his voters are racist / sexist / homophobic.
It's simply a fact.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
About half of the basket of deplorables. Being gracious in that %.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thegoose
(3,115 posts)He's so wrong. The evidence is so fucking clear.
There's a shitload of haters out in voting states and not us, thanks to the fucked-up Electoral College. Shut the fuck up, Bernie, You're not as smart and smug as you think you are.
DU, block me if you want, but I'm tired of this asshole.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,370 posts)the election, it was that the Democratic Party lost the election." This bothers me more than his comments about Trump voters. Is he dissing the Democratic party?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)He was in the Democratic party and running as a Democrat when we lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Not likely to endear him to some Democrats I'd think.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)And as many of his followers remind us repeatedly, he hasn't changed his positions in decades. Much of what you posted and what he said about OUR Democratic Party, is insulting (not by you).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Some of Bernie's more enthusiastic, committed DU supporters are trying to obfuscate around the issue that YES, many of these people are indeed racists, sexists and homophobes. Gaslighting in full effect over something that should be easy for us to all agree on.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,042 posts)I know people who voted for him. The same Republicans who voted for Obama voted for Trump. They preferred Obama over Romney and Trump over Hillary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,042 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I'm tired of Sanders. I'm tired of his behavior. I'm looking forward to him losing the primary and then go away for good.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,286 posts)He (and especially his external hired guns) are all about creating a 'fog of war' confusion and demoralising (in terms of GOTV) message that will see anyone but a Sanderite type defeated. Non DU Sanders supporters out themselves every single mingle minute, they are wreckers.
It is CLASSIC non-linear warfare and reflexive control.
How Russia Wages Non-Linear Warfare and Reflexive Control
Democratic Rhetoric Toward Undemocratic Intent
It is all about creating a fog of war environment without actual kinetic weapons being used. You churn up all the inherent pre-existing divisions within a society and get them to turn on each other.
How Putin Is Reinventing Warfare
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/05/05/how-putin-is-reinventing-warfare/
The Kremlin, according to Barack Obama, is stuck in the old ways, trapped in Cold War or even 19th century mindsets. But look closer at the Kremlins actions during the crisis in Ukraine and you begin to see a very 21st century mentality, manipulating transnational financial interconnections, spinning global media, and reconfiguring geo-political alliances. Could it be that the West is the one caught up in the old ways, while the Kremlin is the geopolitical avant-garde, informed by a dark, subversive reading of globalization?
The Kremlins approach might be called non-linear war, a term used in a short story written by one of Putins closest political advisors, Vladislav Surkov, which was published under his pseudonym, Nathan Dubovitsky, just a few days before the annexation of Crimea. Surkov is credited with inventing the system of managed democracy that has dominated Russia in the 21st century, and his new portfolio focuses on foreign policy. This time, he sets his new story in a dystopian future, after the fifth world war.
Surkov writes: It was the first non-linear war. In the primitive wars of the 19th and 20th centuries it was common for just two sides to fight. Two countries, two blocks of allies. Now four coalitions collided. Not two against two, or three against one. All against all.
This is a world where the old geo-political paradigms no longer hold. As the Kremlin faces down the West, it is indeed gambling that old alliances like the EU and NATO mean less in the 21st century than the new commercial ties it has established with nominally Western companies, such as BP, Exxon, Mercedes, and BASF. Meanwhile, many Western countries welcome corrupt financial flows from the post-Soviet space; it is part of their economic models, and not one many want disturbed. So far, the Kremlins gamble seems to be paying off, with financial considerations helping to curb sanctions. Part of the rationale for fast-tracking Russias inclusion into the global economy was that interconnection would be a check on aggression. But the Kremlin has figured out that this can be flipped: Interconnection also means that Russia can get away with aggression.
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Non-Linear Warfare and Reflexive Control - NATO Defense College
http://www.ndc.nato.int/download/downloads.php?icode=467
Redefining Hybrid Warfare: Russias Nonlinear War against the West
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1538&context=jss
What is Hybrid Warfare?
https://globalsecurityreview.com/hybrid-and-non-linear-warfare-systematically-erases-the-divide-between-war-peace/
Conventional Western concepts of war are incompatible and fundamentally misaligned with the realities of conflict in the twenty-first century. The emergence of a unipolar post-Cold War world order has resulted in a significant paradigm shift.
This change now requires the U.S. and its allies to adopt a new legal, psychological, and strategic understanding of warfare and use of force, particularly by state actors. The term hybrid war (military institutions use the term hybrid threat) connotes the use of conventional military force supported by irregular and cyber warfare tactics. In practical application, the Russian concept of nonlinear conflict exemplifies hybrid warfare strategy.
Linear conflicts are defined by a sequential progression of a planned strategy by opposing sides, whereas nonlinear conflict is the simultaneous deployment of multiple, complementary military and non-military warfare tactics. A nonlinear war is fought when a state employs conventional and irregular military forces in conjunction with psychological, economic, political, and cyber assaults. Confusion and disorder ensue when weaponized information exacerbates the perception of insecurity in the populace as political, social, and cultural identities are pitted against one another.
This blurring divides influential interest groups and powerful political organizations by exploiting identity politics and allegiances. Additionally, nonlinear warfare tactics act as a deterrent towards a more powerful ally of the besieged state.
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Putins Way of War
The War in Russias Hybrid Warfare
http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/issues/Winter_2015-16/9_Monaghan.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)While having to support him
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)and what we will do if JB is the nominee.
Suck it up
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,456 posts)What was the big problem? Give details.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I'm glad that you did and others but he didn't. He also had numerous supporters who refused to support Hillary. I won't forget this
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lexee
(377 posts)I do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,116 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Prosper
(761 posts)and make America great again. The same people suffering then are suffering worse now. Trump is promising full health care with no exceptions and
continuing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ismnotwasm
(41,975 posts)Is racist and sexist. There is no grey area that people seem to like to pretend is a thing. It doesnt exist. This is the same economic anxiety theory that has shown to be crap. So that would be 100 percent of Trump voters are racist.
I come from racists. Mom Dad grandparents. I know my people very well.
I live in Seattle. I know many a Bernie supporter and consider them friends. I dont however, give them a pass on saying economic justice will fix institutional racism when the very institution of the US of A is based on racism. Founded on it. We fought I dont know how many court cases through the years over it. It still exists both in overt form and smarmy passive aggressive style and overtly.
I dont understand what Bernie is trying to do here. Who is he trying to reach? To soothe? To woo? Farmers, who plan on voting for Trump despite the Trade Wars? Urban blue color whites who went for Trump? Who? Those people neither need or want Bernies compassion, if we can call it that. Hes wasting his time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nailed it, ism. I live among them and know them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
He has no where left to go.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,756 posts)the Democratic Party is still the party for all, including the working class and the poor and the rest
Whether it's health care, the economy, education, gun reform, equal pay, voting rights, national security, or the climate crisis, the Democratic Party understands that there's no single issue that matters more than the rest. Democrats are tackling these issues and others every day.
https://democrats.org/who-we-are/
maybe Sanders doesn't understand the Democratic Party
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Prosper
(761 posts)but to vote straight Democratic. But how do you explain 50 years of stagnant wages, income gap, unaffordable healthcare and unaffordable college??? Is this the result of racism:Wealth. As well as being better educated, Episcopalians and Presbyterians tend to be considerably wealthier than most other religious groups, and they are disproportionately represented in the upper reaches of American business, law, and politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
myohmy2
(3,155 posts)...if we're honest, we'll admit that...I was shocked to see trump's Union support...I still can't figure that out...
...Bernie's also right about trump voters,
...1 of my daughters and husband, 2 of my grandchildren, 2 of my wife's brothers and spouses, 1 of my wife's sisters and husband, 1 of my brothers and 2 of my neighbors voted for trump...they voted for trump for a variety of reason and only a couple I would categorize as racist, sexist or homophobic...most were just fed up with the status quo and believed trump's bullshit...
...I would say, most still support trump but don't necessarily agree with or endorse his methods...but it's gotten so bad, that when we meet, no one ever brings up politics anymore...and our relationships have gotten colder...
...and if you're honest, you'll probably agree with me because you have a similar situation...thank God most of the family are still never-trumpers...
...trump is one corrosive SOB...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Hes making the case none of these people fit that bill. He didnt qualify his statement with not all are racist he just said they werent. Charlottesville and many dozens of incidents contradict that point.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
myohmy2
(3,155 posts)...whomever you like...
...but few supporters of any candidate are going to be in 100% lock-step with their candidate, Bernie included...
...I'm a little more generous than you when it comes to Bernie...common sense would tell me Bernie was not referring to the hardcore Charlottesville neo-Nazi's but instead voters who may have otherwise considered voting Democratic but went with trump for a variety of reasons...
...of all the candidates on earth, do you honestly believe Bernie would be the one defending neo-Nazi's?
...that's something which I don't agree or believe...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,116 posts)progressives spewing the LIEs that there was no difference between republicans and Democrats is seems conveniently forgotten by some
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)Others are ignorant. I have met both types.
Wolf
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Stagnant Wages over the last 45 years has lead to over half of the American people living paycheck to paycheck ..A lot of those people voted for a faux - populist named Donald Trump ...They weren't all racists- by a longhshot ... ...He promised a big Infrastructure Program , he opposed NAFTA , no cuts in Social Security and Medicare , Universal Healthcare , No more interventionist wars .They were all brazen lies but this platform helped him to tear down the Blue Wall .We need to run a real populist named Bernie Sanders who has established his progressive bona fides for the last 45 years . A promise to return normalcy won't cut it ... . It won't cut it with the young people , people of color , or with working class voters ...They will simply stay at home - as they did in 2016 ... As for the swing voters , many will simply shrug their shoulders and say to themselves : " The stock market is going up, things are going pretty good , .. Trump is an asshole but the other side isn't going to change anything ..We might as well stick with the asshole we've got "
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)And the Muslims? Do you think it was all economic anxiety?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Oh, I know that his main desire is to prove that Hillary was a terrible candidate. I know that posters have said that they know their family members who voted for trump and that they are really wonderful people. You can't be counted in with "wonderful people" if you choose the candidate who started his candidacy by calling Mexicans rapists. Or if you choose the candidate who grabs women's genitals. Or if you choose the candidate who locks children in cages. Or the candidate who mimics handicapped people.
If you choose that candidate over the most decent and most qualified candidate who ever ran for the office, you have to have a reason. If you are racist, or homophobic, or sexist, then those would be your reasons. The only other reason would be that you are pitifully, pathologically stupid. No, not confused or misled. Stupid.
I too have relatives that voted for trump. They pretend they are not racists. But it always comes out eventually. The pretend they aren't sexist, but just ask their wives.
Sorry. Bernie is pandering to the same people that the republicans welcomed into their party because it might help them win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
myohmy2
(3,155 posts)...face it, people are going to try to hang Bernie no matter what...why?
...because Bernie represents needed change and some people are comfortable with the status quo even when it's failed them...
" We need a Democratic Party that is not a party of the liberal elite but of the working class..."
...who could disagree with that?
...if the Democratic Party was doing such a great job solving the problems and representing the aspirations and wishes of the working class why did so many of them vote for trump?...that's the point...
...when comes to representing the working class, there should be no contest between Democrats and republicans...
...Bernie will see to that...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,456 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bamagal62
(3,246 posts)the election or they won the election...the election was STOLEN. Full stop. No other reasons.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Our base did not show up ...Their base did . Result : An Orange Clown is Occupying the WH .Blame the Electoral College ..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
spooky3
(34,430 posts)were important factors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,430 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)My head exploding, Democratic candidates criticizing the Democratic party and forgiving the republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,641 posts)The election was stolen. Hillary got the popular vote. You would not have received as many votes as Hillary. Dems didnt lose the election.
You are not a Democrat so go home! I dont see why you get to run as one and be Independent as Senator. You are two faced as they come and you are a hypocrite!
If you can rant so can I!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,456 posts)necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American. I think the next time around, by the way, it will be a lot easier for them to do that."
No, the U.S. is becoming more polarized and white identity stronger. When Obama was first elected whites were pretty evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans. Now more of them are Republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)Charlottesville was about economic anxiety. El Paso was about economic anxiety. The dozens of viral videos of Trump supporters berating immigrants at restaurants and grocery stores is just economic anxiety.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RockRaven
(14,958 posts)There has been plenty of time to analyze the available data... and Bernie's summary of what happens ignores it.
Trump didn't win by winning "working people" votes. He won by winning white votes. There's a fuck-ton of non-white people in the working class. Who Bernie is dismissing...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Some truth there but Bernie is a little off on what Trump's base actually is. So are many people off on that. The majority of Trump's actual base is not struggling working class and poor people. His base is middle class and above and many are damn well racist and sexist and homophobic as all hell. I don't think a lot of people realize the extent of Trump's support in white suburbia. The rural narrative is overplayed. Beyond that, Bernie makes some strong points there. Not sure why it would bring such consternation.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OldRed2450
(710 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)There are people who understand the level of true evil we are dealing with and then there are others who cant or wont see it, either because they are naive or willfully ignorant.
Im pretty clear eyed about the fascists in our midst. Its jarring that others dont seem to get it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,090 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,456 posts)"Consistent with a long line of research showing that group interests are more potent politically than self-interest, economic anxiety was channeled more through white identity politics than it was through Trump supporters' concern for their own personal well-being."
Republican voters do not vote because of policy. "Trump's campaign surprised and dismayed many Republicans for another reason: it revealed that many rank-and-file Republicans were not movement conservatives. One conservative analyst ... described how Republican leaders had often thought abut their voters: 'These are conservative voters, anti-Obama voters. We'll give them the same polices we've always given them.' What Republican leaders discovered, however, was that those polices were not what all Republican voters wanted. Most voters, even primary voters, are not ideologues. In 2016, those voters finally had someone to vote for." (From "Identity Crisis" )
Bernie thinks if he just has a chance to explain his policies to people, they will stop being Republicans. That it's about policy, not identity, that Democrats don't have any policies helping the working/middle classes and that's why white people do not vote for them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts)For most of them it was exactly those reasons they voted for Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radius777
(3,635 posts)that narrative that the Dems 'sold out the (white) working class' is alive and well amongst both the alt-right/Trumpers and alt-left/DSA/Greens whose ideology is not at all liberal or Democratic, but a fusion of extremist populist ideologies, which they pound 24/7 on social media to slime Democrats.
Basically the alt-left are hard left on economics and foreign policy, libertarian or conservative on social values (and hostile towards social liberalism and civil rights which they see as 'dividing' the working class ie offending whites), and hold a conspiratorial worldview that is hostile towards the Dem party and its modern day icons such as the Clintons and Obama.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,927 posts)with this. If Sanders were to get the nomination and he could pull 1 or 2% of Trump voters to our side this is just common sense politics. That 1 or 2% is often precisely what is needed to win and if you insult them (even if most should be insulted) that small % vanishes completely.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,090 posts)would offset the 10% or 20% of Democrats that will refuse to vote for Bernie whatever their reason(s) may be.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vlyons
(10,252 posts)and ignorant and not well-traveled. Recently, I used to live in rural east Texas, the bible belt and home to KKK clubs. They vote Republican because their Baptist preacher tells them to do so. They have no shame using the N-word and do so frequently. High school drop out rates are high 25% to 30% in the rural counties. Jobs, other than MacJobs are few and far between.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)As a party we absolutely need to keep this in mind. This is a cycle with zero undecideds, whatever they say: if a person is even considering voting for Trump, and that person votes, he is voting for Trump. It doesn't matter whether or not they are racist or sexist, because they still aren't voting for someone else.
You're not going to win a shouting match with Trump. You're not going to out-demagogue Trump. You're not going to beat him on policy (remember a depressingly large number of Trump voters still think he's going to give them health care). He's crossed so many lines, and then taken the line and thrown it out the window and into the alligator-infested bayou, and then ridden an alligator across that line, that you are not tempting them back.
Now, the really odd thing is that this process hasn't made them Republicans. But someone who will vote for Beshear over Bevin will still vote for Trump over Sanders. This isn't about ideas or policies or anything like that; this is about whether people think things become true by saying them. And people who think things become true by saying them will always vote for Trump.
We aren't winning over Trump voters. Stop trying. Mobilize everybody else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopdiggin
(11,292 posts)this time in defense of all the "misunderstood" Trump voters.
Any wonder why a lot of people just don't want ANY part of this?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demmiblue
(36,838 posts)A state that Obama won in a landslide in 2008.
Calling them names (even if true) only mobilizes them... just like the "basket of deplorables" comment did.
And a 2017 article. Really?! Gawd, there is so much unnecessary drama in this forum.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)And just a point Bernie..... you aren't working class, either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden